Red minibus slides downhill in Chiang Mai, 2 killed

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, electric said:

 

I'm an Aussie, so I found the above comment interesting about UK driving test requirement ie having to put the handbrake on at traffic lights. Presumably all traffic lights ?

 

What the ? Sounds pretty stupid to me. Who among us has EVER put the handbrake on when stopped at flat road traffic lights ?

 

Don't believe I've ever done it myself .... never. Even in a manual car.

 

Different story if stopped on a steepish hill and you need to do a handbrake start, which is quite difficult for novices to get right.

 

(A handbrake hill start is a requirement for Aust driver licence test to drive manual cars. If you're happy with a licence to drive only autos, the handbrake hill start is not tested.)

 

Anyway .... back to the OP. Unfortunately this driver is just another klutz graduate from the "How to Drive Well in Thailand - Driving School".

 

Brake failure ? ..... nah .... brain failure.

 

 

Don't care if you think it's a stupid idea or not.

I suppose you sit at the lights with your foot on the brake and then do the tap dance with the throttle the clutch pedal and the brake. ( Fine if you're a learner with 3 legs. ?? )

That's fine when you are an experienced !! driver but not something that's easy to do as a learner.

Still have to do it taking a test in UK even with an auto box, handbrake on and into neutral whether you feel it's stupid or not.

One the reasons I've heard over here about hand brake use is if you use it too much it might not pass the test next year when they check it because the cable will stretch. ???.

Edited December 6, 2017 by overherebc

[overherebc]

Anyway, parking a pick up on a hill and not using the hand brake is stupid. Maybe on but not hard enough, who knows.

That's why I went for the idea of people getting in the back was enough weight to get it to overcome the compression and start it rolling.

Edited December 6, 2017 by overherebc

[electric]

3 hours ago, electric said:

 

I'm an Aussie, so I found the above comment interesting about UK driving test requirement ie having to put the handbrake on at traffic lights. Presumably all traffic lights ?

 

What the ? Sounds pretty stupid to me. Who among us has EVER put the handbrake on when stopped at flat road traffic lights ?

 

Don't believe I've ever done it myself .... never. Even in a manual car.

 

Different story if stopped on a steepish hill and you need to do a handbrake start, which is quite difficult for novices to get right.

 

(A handbrake hill start is a requirement for Aust driver licence test to drive manual cars. If you're happy with a licence to drive only autos, the handbrake hill start is not tested.)

 

Anyway .... back to the OP. Unfortunately this driver is just another klutz graduate from the "How to Drive Well in Thailand - Driving School".

 

Brake failure ? ..... nah .... brain failure.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

Don't care if you think it's a stupid idea or not.

I suppose you sit at the lights with your foot on the brake and then do the tap dance with the throttle the clutch pedal and the brake. ( Fine if you're a learner with 3 legs. ?? )

That's fine when you are an experienced !! driver but not something that's easy to do as a learner.

Still have to do it taking a test in UK even with an auto box, handbrake on and into neutral whether you feel it's stupid or not.

One the reasons I've heard over here about hand brake use is if you use it too much it might not pass the test next year when they check it because the cable will stretch. ???.

 

hi overherebc ... maybe you misunderstood the intent of my comment. I wasn't having a go at you. I was genuinely intrigued by your post.

 

I don't question that it's a UK requirement as part of the driving test. I do question the usefulness of encouraging learners to apply the handbrake every time they stop in traffic, or traffic lights.

 

That seems to me to be a pointless exercise that few will ever do in real life. Even more so in an auto transmission car.

 

My question still stands "does anyone really ever do this ?"

 

overherebc ... do you apply your handbrake every time you stop in traffic ?

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by electric

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, electric said:

 

 

hi overherebc ... maybe you misunderstood the intent of my comment. I wasn't having a go at you. I was genuinely intrigued by your post.

 

I don't question that it's a UK requirement as part of the driving test. I do question the usefulness of encouraging learners to apply the handbrake every time they stop in traffic, or traffic lights.

 

That seems to me to be a pointless exercise that few will ever do in real life. Even more so in an auto transmission car.

 

My question still stands "does anyone really ever do this ?"

 

overherebc ... do you apply your handbrake every time you stop in traffic ?

 

I did do a search on it and there is lot of discussion on yes or no.

Obviously I don't do it all the time same as most drivers all over the world.

One of the reasons stated for teaching learners to do it was if you get in the car on a wet day and have to stop and wait with your foot on the clutch with wet shoes your foot could slip and if at a pedestrian crossing the vehicle could go forward and hit someone crossing the road or move into the path of crossing vehicles at a junction.

Most people would agree as you get experience you can learn things like heel and toe with a manual box etc.

Tried to explain that to 'her indoors' and she looked at me like I had 3 heads never mind 3 feet.????

I still think it's a good thing to teach new drivers but first requirement is good instructors. I'll say no more on that point. ???

Edit as a PS.

I've driven one of these and even on  a 2% slope try to balance it on the clutch and throttle is a big NO-NO

It's a Thorney-Croft Antar.

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by overherebc

[Bangkok Barry]

23 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

There's a very plausible reason for. Especially in areas like CM with a lot of mountains, the road to Mae Hong Son, etc..brakes do get very hot and rear drum brakes, but also disc brakes could deform when  glowing hot. 

 

The 'bus' was parked so I'd guess that the brakes weren't glowing hot.

[jenny2017]

5 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

The 'bus' was parked so I'd guess that the brakes weren't glowing hot.

Perhaps the 'bus's brakes were boiling hot when he/she parked it? 

 

     We'll never know. 

[jenny2017]

10 hours ago, MaxLee said:

When the hand breaks failed, why is this bus even allowed to be approved for sightseeing..... 

Because it's Thailand.

[Bangkok Barry]

12 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Perhaps the 'bus's brakes were boiling hot when he/she parked it? 

 

     We'll never know. 

 

You think so?

'On arriving at the palace, he parked the vehicle and the passengers went off for sightseeing. After the sightseeing, the passengers returned to the vehicle at about 11am.'