Democrat Jones wins U.S. Senate seat in Alabama in blow to Trump

[Langsuan Man]

On 12/14/2017 at 6:43 PM, thaihome said:

Democrats are going to miss out on [another] almost daily chance to show what the Republican Party has become.

TH 

Don't worry, the Republicans, themselves, will continue to show us daily what a cesspool the the party has become 

[riclag]

On 12/13/2017 at 4:17 PM, tonray said:

Let's not forget and Doug Jones should also not forget that he now represents the People of Alabama and not Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. He can be a very successful senator if he serves his constituents rather than Democratic macro party politics.

 

In fact this is what all Senators and Congress persons should start to think about for the good of the nation, you represent more than just national ideology. Like it or not elected officials need to start working for all their constituents, the ones that voted for them and also the ones that did not.

Totally agree!!!!! But the Washington establishment aka the swamp have their greasy little fingers in the cookie jar.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/secret-super-pac-backing-jones-exposed-alabama-senate-290502

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Totally agree!!!!! But the Washington establishment aka the swamp have their greasy little fingers in the cookie jar.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/secret-super-pac-backing-jones-exposed-alabama-senate-290502

I voted for Ted Nugent during the elections.  I didn't like either candidate.  But, I was open to Trump and his claims of "draining the swamp".

 

Sadly, that hasn't happened.  It's gotten worse.  I bet many of us would go back and vote for Crooked Hillary after seeing the mess Trump is making.  I guarantee I would, even though I don't like her at all.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I voted for Ted Nugent during the elections.  I didn't like either candidate.  But, I was open to Trump and his claims of "draining the swamp".

 

Sadly, that hasn't happened.  It's gotten worse.  I bet many of us would go back and vote for Crooked Hillary after seeing the mess Trump is making.  I guarantee I would, even though I don't like her at all.

 A pre Trump pole from Pew, 2014 . 

"The polarized Congress of today has its roots in the 1970s

Historically, compromise has been key to getting legislation passed. But polarized senators and representatives — reluctant to compromise with the other side to start with — won’t get much pressure from the partisans back in their home states. According to our study, while 56% of Americans say they prefer politicians who are willing to compromise, in practice both across-the-board conservatives and across-the-board liberals say the end result of compromise should be that their side gets more of what it wants".

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/polarized-politics-in-congress-began-in-the-1970s-and-has-been-getting-worse-ever-since/

"It's gotten worse".Really? There is two sides to that too.. Pick your poison !

I don't like the establishment aka  politicians . That is one of the top reasons why I voted for your President. Dems and Gop aka the swamp have to be drained in order for the partisanship to transpire and compromise  .

 

 

 

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[ilostmypassword]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

 A pre Trump pole from Pew, 2014 . 

"The polarized Congress of today has its roots in the 1970s

Historically, compromise has been key to getting legislation passed. But polarized senators and representatives — reluctant to compromise with the other side to start with — won’t get much pressure from the partisans back in their home states. According to our study, while 56% of Americans say they prefer politicians who are willing to compromise, in practice both across-the-board conservatives and across-the-board liberals say the end result of compromise should be that their side gets more of what it wants".

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/polarized-politics-in-congress-began-in-the-1970s-and-has-been-getting-worse-ever-since/

"It's gotten worse".Really? There is two sides to that too.. Pick your poison !

I don't like the establishment aka  politicians . That is one of the top reasons why I voted for your President. Dems and Gop aka the swamp have to be drained in order for the partisanship to transpire and compromise  .

 

 

 

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Fake centrism.

The Republican party has moved massively to the right in the last 20 years.

It's useful to remember that the heart of obamacare began with the conservative heritage foundation and was used as the basis for the insurance system in Massachusetts instituted by Mitt Romney.

Now it's assailed as socialism or worse.

Carbon trading credits was another idea that Republicans came up with to help with the threat of human caused global warming and pollution.

Republicans now overwhelmingly repudiate trading carbon credits, and they overwhelmingly deny the reality of human caused global warming.

Republicans used to claim to be the party of fiscal integrity. Yet when the budget was finally balanced at the end of Clinton's presidency, the first thing they did  under the Bush presidency was to bring on big deficits again by giving tax breaks to the rich. Now again they will be giving huge tax breaks to the rich and increasing deficits.

There has been no comparable movement leftwards on the democratic side.

[lannarebirth]

On 12/15/2017 at 11:34 PM, ilostmypassword said:

 

It's useful to remember that the heart of obamacare began with the conservative heritage foundation and was used as the basis for the insurance system in Massachusetts instituted by Mitt Romney.

Now it's assailed as socialism or worse.

 

 

The basis for the Massachusetts Plan and later Obamacare comes from Nixon's CHIP proposal.

 

 

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/

 

 

Edited December 17, 2017 by lannarebirth

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

 

The basis for the Massachusetts Plan and later Obamacare comes from Nixon's CHIP proposal.

 

 

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/

 

 

 

More on that:

 

http://ihpi.umich.edu/news/nixoncare-vs-obamacare-u-m-team-compares-rhetoric-reality-two-health-plans

 

Which further reinforces my contention that Nixon was more liberal than any president since.

 

You made the assertion:

 

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The Republican party has moved massively to the right in the last 20 years.

 

I'd say that's true but the Democrats have moved much further to the right from where they started in the same period of time. Let's call it 30 years. All the abortion, gay, illegal immigrant stuff notwithstanding. That's just paying lip service to a constituency in exchange for a voting block.  Kind of like how Apple flys a rainbow flag over their parking lot and then sticks hundreds of billions in cash overseas to avoid US taxes. It's all just to take people's eye off the ball. The "social Democrats" are easily fooled.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/01/investing/apple-cash-overseas/index.html

Edited December 17, 2017 by lannarebirth

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

More on that:

 

http://ihpi.umich.edu/news/nixoncare-vs-obamacare-u-m-team-compares-rhetoric-reality-two-health-plans

 

Which further reinforces my contention that Nixon was more liberal than any president since.

 

You made the assertion:

 

 

I'd say that's true but the Democrats have moved much further to the right from where they started in the same period of time. Let's call it 30 years. All the abortion, gay, illegal immigrant stuff notwithstanding. That's just paying lip service to a constituency in exchange for a voting block.  Kind of like how Apple flys a rainbow flag over their parking lot and then sticks hundreds of billions in cash overseas to avoid US taxes. It's all just to take people's eye off the ball. The "social Democrats" are easily fooled.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/01/investing/apple-cash-overseas/index.html

I'm afraid your assertion is correct.

 

The same can be said for many countries worldwide, where politics have made a strong turn to the right.

[ilostmypassword]

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

The basis for the Massachusetts Plan and later Obamacare comes from Nixon's CHIP proposal.

 

 

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/

 

 

That article nowhere says that Obamacare comes from Nixon's CHIP proposal. Nowhere.

Here's a link to an article fdrom from Politifact.

Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

Politifact rated it as Mostly True.

 

[lannarebirth]

53 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

That article nowhere says that Obamacare comes from Nixon's CHIP proposal. Nowhere.

Here's a link to an article fdrom from Politifact.

Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

Politifact rated it as Mostly True.

 

 

I guess you missed my next post:

 

http://ihpi.umich.edu/news/nixoncare-vs-obamacare-u-m-team-compares-rhetoric-reality-two-health-plans

 

The Heritage Foundation seems to disagree as well.

 

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/dont-blame-heritage-obamacare-mandate

[ilostmypassword]

48 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I guess you missed my next post:

 

http://ihpi.umich.edu/news/nixoncare-vs-obamacare-u-m-team-compares-rhetoric-reality-two-health-plans

 

The Heritage Foundation seems to disagree as well.

 

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/dont-blame-heritage-obamacare-mandate

What you claimed was that Obamacare comes from Nixon's proposal. Not true

And you take seriously the Heritage Foundation denial over Politifact?

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

What you claimed was that Obamacare comes from Nixon's proposal. Not true

And you take seriously the Heritage Foundation denial over Politifact?

To be honest I really don't care what you believe. You add almost nothing to any thread you appear in and you cherry pick your contributions and others refutations of your cherry picked contributions. It seems to be only the conflict that you seek and my recommendation is that you buy yourself a punching bag instead.

[ilostmypassword]

52 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

To be honest I really don't care what you believe. You add almost nothing to any thread you appear in and you cherry pick your contributions and others refutations of your cherry picked contributions. It seems to be only the conflict that you seek and my recommendation is that you buy yourself a punching bag instead.

If you mean by cherry pick pointing out egregious errors and asking for backing to sweeping claims - claims that prove to be wrong - you've got me there.

You claimed the financial stimulus package spent 800 billion stimulating the econony. It was 560 billion.

You claimed it was a failure. I pointed out that leading economists of all ideological persuasions overwhelmingly disagree with you.

You claimed that Democrats have moved further right than Republilcans. I didn't even bother to address that one because it was so self-evidently ludicrous.

Clearly what you object to is that you've lost the freedom to make unfounded assertions without being challenged.

[Morch]

 

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