Shop that sells self defence aids

[jamieoutlook]

As the title asks.

Saw some once in passing in tuk tuk

I think north side of moat outside of moat

Any info appreciated.

[scottiejohn]

You have not stated what you want them for but suggest you be careful.

I am no expert but like lots of stuff "openly" on sale in Thailand they are not necessarily legal to either posses in Thailand or import into Europe etc.  The expanding rod baton, Air pistols, stun guns and Pepper spray come to mind.

Extract from UK GOV border control site

"CS gas canisters, pepper sprays and other self defence sprays. high voltage electric stun guns. high-powered air rifles and pistols."

Edited January 9, 2018 by scottiejohn

[FolkGuitar]

The shop on the north-east side of the moat (with the blue barrels in front) sell

"FOX" brand tri-tone, hi-output whistles. Quite legal to own and carry, and a very effective deterrent for a woman to carry at night. It's not the sort of thing that will be used against you, either. Worn on a bracelet, it's available at all times. No need to dig through pocket or purse.

 

Most other self-defense tools require some degree of training to use correctly, and most require quite a LOT of training to use correctly. All of the necessitate being IN THE HAND at all times. We generally do not get advance notice of an attack. It's false security to have something in your pocket or bag, thinking you'll have time to reach it, bring it to bear, and use it properly, even brass knuckles. And if you don't know how to punch correctly (memories of schoolboy fights won't help when you're 72,) they can't do very much good.

[MaeJoMTB]

1) Try the 'Tactical' shop about 100m up the road from Maya.

Everything from guns to switch blades.

 

2) Also a stall at the back entrance to KSK Mall, when you enter from the outside m/c park.

Batons, Knives, and worthless Stun guns.

 

3) Lazada have a decent selection of knives/swords/machetes/batons at reasonable prices.

 

Most of the stun guns available are worthless, just a little tingle.

 

@FolkGuitar,

My misses says, switch blade in the back pocket of your jeans, play along until their trousers are down then gut 'em.

Edited January 9, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[scottiejohn]

21 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

1) Try the 'Tactical' shop about 100m up the road from Maya.

Everything from guns to switch blades.

 

2) Also a stall at the back entrance to KSK Mall, when you enter from the outside m/c park.

Batons, Knives, and worthless Stun guns.

 

3) Lazada have a decent selection of knives/swords/machetes/batons at reasonable prices.

 

Most of the stun guns available are worthless, just a little tingle.

 

@FolkGuitar,

My misses says, switch blade in the back pocket of your jeans, play along until their trousers are down then gut 'em.

If her trousers are taken down first it is too late!  FG is correct.  The whistle is a great deterrent and if you deploy it in error (the bloke stumbled etc) no harm is done.

 

Sometime a knee in the groin very early and then the gutting knife may work but don't rely on a professional assailant exposing his groin area to you during a sudden attack.

[FolkGuitar]

1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said:

@FolkGuitar,

My misses says, switch blade in the back pocket of your jeans, play along until their trousers are down then gut 'em.

 

She's right... so long as she's practiced this about 1,750 times before she needs to do it for real, then be certain that the switch blade in the back pocket was made in Germany, Spain, or the US so that there is a 'probable' chance that the spring won't break when it's deployed. 10mg of Valium 60 minutes before the attack 'may' reduce her sweaty palms slipping and dropping the knife before it can come to bear.

Might want to stick with the whistle. 

[LivinLOS]

the comically named 'big man shop' on mahidol rd.. Just east of the ping. 

[thaibeachlovers]

As pointed out already, "aids" without training are worthless and can be used against one.

Far better to learn martial arts first. I'm sure any Muay Thai place will be happy to help.

[scottiejohn]

42 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

switch blade

I think even the switch blade is illegal in Thailand.  I had not realised that was the sort of knife being discussed. I sort of assumed some sort of small sheath knife on the back belt was being discussed.

 

Most countries consider anything that can be lethal or debilitates a person, even for defensive purposes, as potentially offensive and is therefore banned as it is assumed that the carrying of the weapon poses an intent of use. 

 

An "Englishman's home is his Castle" is now no longer true as a few recent High Court cases have found the owner of their properties guilty of serious crimes including murder when their homes/properties were broken into.

 

Deterrence, be it whistles alarms barking dogs, flashing lights is better than carrying "potentially" offensive weapons.

 

Also don't stray into dark and dangerous places on your own or with people you really don't know..

 

 

 

[FolkGuitar]

33 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I think even the switch blade is illegal in Thailand.  I had not realised that was the sort of knife being discussed.

 

Switchblades ARE illegal in Thailand, as well as many other countries. The US 'used to be' illegal to have one, but now 40 of the 50 states have reversed their stance and the possession of an 'automatic knife' is legal. However, in many states, it is still illegal to carry it concealed.

 

You can purchase switchblade knives just about anywhere in Thailand, but to trust one's life to one of these is like trusting a paper parachute. You are not going to get  a reliable automatic knife for 250 baht. Think instead, $250 US dollars as a low figure. Some of the better ones sell for $450 US. THESE are knives that are reliable. The springs probably won't break and the steel of the blade high quality knife steels... CPM s90v,  AUS-8, ATS-34, D2,  rather than pot metal or something stamped out of 420.

[FolkGuitar]

43 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Deterrence, be it whistles alarms barking dogs, flashing lights is better than carrying "potentially" offensive weapons.

Also don't stray into dark and dangerous places on your own or with people you really don't know..

 

Your mention of Flashing Lights is a good idea. Carrying a VERY POWERFUL small 'tactical' flash light makes for a great deterrent. There are inexpensive ones being sold that will temporarily blind an attacker, giving you time to run away.  But again, it has to be in the hand, and not in the pocket or purse to be effective.

[Bill97]

 
Your mention of Flashing Lights is a good idea. Carrying a VERY POWERFUL small 'tactical' flash light makes for a great deterrent. There are inexpensive ones being sold that will temporarily blind an attacker, giving you time to run away.  But again, it has to be in the hand, and not in the pocket or purse to be effective.

Can you please tell us the brand and model of such a light or lights? AA or AAA battery if possible. Thank you.


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[FolkGuitar]

12 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

Can you please tell us the brand and model of such a light or lights? AA or AAA battery if possible. Thank you.

 

Bill, the best ones use a rechargeable battery, but there are some good ones that use AA as well as CR123 lithium batteries. One such brand is 'Sure-Fire.' Take a look through ebay or Lazada and you'll see many to choose from.

[scottiejohn]

The basic criteria is to be defensive in location, companions, posture, attitude and possible accoutrements (women's snatch bag, rainy season umbrella, the Burmese walking stick for the more mature person etc & everything else discussed above) without resource to potential or perceived offensive weapons.

As I said before most counties assume that if you are carrying an offensive weapon, even if you only believe it to be defensive, you have intent to us it and are jugged accordingly.

[amvet]

15 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

The basic criteria is to be defensive in location, companions, posture, attitude and possible accoutrements (women's snatch bag, rainy season umbrella, the Burmese walking stick for the more mature person etc & everything else discussed above) without resource to potential or perceived offensive weapons.

As I said before most counties assume that if you are carrying an offensive weapon, even if you only believe it to be defensive, you have intent to us it and are jugged accordingly.

 

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[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, FolkGuitar said:

Switchblades ARE illegal in Thailand, as well as many other countries. The US 'used to be' illegal to have one, but now 40 of the 50 states have reversed their stance and the possession of an 'automatic knife' is legal. However, in many states, it is still illegal to carry it concealed

Even the carrying of a "Stanley" type lino knife can be considered in possession of a weapon if the possessor cannot justify why they are carrying it.  Especially at 2AM on the way back from the Disco!

Edited January 9, 2018 by scottiejohn

[jamieoutlook]

Thanks for all the input

What seemed like a good idea at the time, in the heat of the moment is not a good plan.

Would the moderaters please close this now

 

[FolkGuitar]

"Self-defence" is 95% thinking and 5% physical.  There may or may not be a need for accessories. Usually not, if the thinking is done properly.

[Mickeem]

3 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Your mention of Flashing Lights is a good idea. Carrying a VERY POWERFUL small 'tactical' flash light makes for a great deterrent. There are inexpensive ones being sold that will temporarily blind an attacker, giving you time to run away.  But again, it has to be in the hand, and not in the pocket or purse to be effective.

 

I find the way to carry my small 'tactical' torch that has a strong spring clip is to clip it onto my waistband, that way it's instantly accessible .. dazzle then retreat ..

 

 

 

[FolkGuitar]

59 minutes ago, Mickeem said:

 

I find the way to carry my small 'tactical' torch that has a strong spring clip is to clip it onto my waistband, that way it's instantly accessible .. dazzle then retreat ..

 

Do you regularly practice deploying it with either hand, finding the 'ON' switch and pointing it?

 

[Ruffian Dick]

Keep your head on a swivel.

Free, most shops have plenty on hand.

[flare]

11 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Switchblades ARE illegal in Thailand, as well as many other countries. The US 'used to be' illegal to have one, but now 40 of the 50 states have reversed their stance and the possession of an 'automatic knife' is legal. However, in many states, it is still illegal to carry it concealed.

 

You can purchase switchblade knives just about anywhere in Thailand, but to trust one's life to one of these is like trusting a paper parachute. You are not going to get  a reliable automatic knife for 250 baht. Think instead, $250 US dollars as a low figure. Some of the better ones sell for $450 US. THESE are knives that are reliable. The springs probably won't break and the steel of the blade high quality knife steels... CPM s90v,  AUS-8, ATS-34, D2,  rather than pot metal or something stamped out of 420.

Not quite that much for a decent blade these days, especially once many states relaxed their laws and manufacturing of auto-knives increased- something like a Protech Godson in 154-CM (comparable to ATS-34) is less than $150, and is reliable as a hammer.  I've had one for years, and it's a quality knife.

[FolkGuitar]

1 hour ago, flare said:

Not quite that much for a decent blade these days, especially once many states relaxed their laws and manufacturing of auto-knives increased- something like a Protech Godson in 154-CM (comparable to ATS-34) is less than $150, and is reliable as a hammer.  I've had one for years, and it's a quality knife.

 

Protech makes some very reliable knives, and as you said, 154-CM is a good knife steel. The Godson is a fine EDC, perfect for the daily chores we put a pocket knife through. But with its smooth lines and surfaces, it's something that 'may' be slippery when in a life or death situation of self-defense.  One fellow on a knife forum I read added 'glue gun lines' to the scales on his. Messed up the look of a very nice knife, but made it more reliable for him.

[Briggsy]

What an excellent thread (so far). An emotive topic dealt with in a constructive and mature manner. Well done to all contributors.

[flare]

43 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Protech makes some very reliable knives, and as you said, 154-CM is a good knife steel. The Godson is a fine EDC, perfect for the daily chores we put a pocket knife through. But with its smooth lines and surfaces, it's something that 'may' be slippery when in a life or death situation of self-defense.  One fellow on a knife forum I read added 'glue gun lines' to the scales on his. Messed up the look of a very nice knife, but made it more reliable for him.

I'm not recommending it as a self-defense weapon- I put it up as an example of decent auto-knives that have become much cheaper over the last ten years or so.  It's true you used to have to spend hundreds of dollars (and usually have a LEO contact, as they were the only ones allowed to buy them legally), but they're way less expensive than they used to be.  You can still spend a lot if you want on a pricey knife, but you can get something good for not much more than $100 now.

 

I've also got a Spyderco Civilian, which was made specifically with self-defense in mind (though it's not an auto), but it's more of a collectible, and not something I ever carry (way too delicate for average use).

[FolkGuitar]

8 hours ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Keep your head on a swivel.

Free, most shops have plenty on hand.

 

Cell phone are being cited as the #1 reason for the increase in anti-personal crimes... People are so busy with their heads buried into their phones that they are completely oblivious to their surroundings.  Awareness is key to safety.

[chingmai331]

I've got a nice Spyderco too, with the serrated blade, folds up cleanly, opens with one hand using the thumb.  Also, have carried for many years a BOKER pocket knife, excellent.

 

Would remind that various laws, of T'land and elsewhere, may not coincide with your idea of self-defense or 'weapons of war'.  Armored vests, bullet-proof vests are illegal in many places, T'land included as these are classified as 'war weapons'.  Go figure!

[FolkGuitar]

As 'scary' as some knives may look, in the hands of 'Average JohnQ Public' they do not make for a very good self defense tool. Most (MOST!) adults haven't been in a 'real' fight since they were 13 years old and fighting in the school yard. "Hey! No biting or kicking allowed!"   When they grab a knife to use as a weapon, they completely forget the other 11 weapons available to them, and focus only on the knife. Meanwhile, the person who is attacking you, and probably HAS been fighting at least once a week for the last 15 years isn't going to focus just on your knife. He knows that once he slips past it, you are completely vulnerable to HIS twelve available weapons... Game over.

 

In a fight, a knife is just one tool to be used IN CONJUNCTION WITH knees, elbows, feet, the other hand, forehead, and teeth. But using them all together requires training and practice. Lots of training. Lots of practice.

 

Most adult men (most, mind you. Not all...) think that they are the most badass dude that ever walked the planet, second only to Clint Eastwood and Steven Segal. In their 20's and 30's, they probably were in fairly decent shape. But we've all seen the YouTube videos of men fighting... outside of bars, or road-side, etc. We haven't seen many badass men fighting, have we? We've seen chest bumping, wild off-balance swings, punches with kitten-like power....  It's nice to think that we're still the young bucks we were 40 years ago, but it just ain't so.

 

Don't fight. Don't even PLAN on fighting. Plan on running away... As quickly as possible. Plan on not getting into the situation in the first place. Don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. PLAN on that.   Think  "P6."   Positive Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

[metisdead]

15 hours ago, jamieoutlook said:

Thanks for all the input

What seemed like a good idea at the time, in the heat of the moment is not a good plan.

Would the moderaters please close this now