Clarification Needed

[Sunbelt Asia]

I am over 50 , my wife and i were married in the states so I had to have a lawyer and got to court to get a divorce. At the same time I was granted by the court sole custody of our daughter ( ge 12)

can I use that for my 1 year extension along with the BC or do I need to take the court papers to the Ampur and get this so called paper?

Do I need my daughter with me?

Depends with the Immigration officer. Some officers require the verification from the District Office, while others don't, if you have the marriage certificate and divorce paperwork. Best option if coming from Phuket, is to obtain the certification you are the Dad from the District Office.

If the court Order is from the USA, then it will not work for sure without getting the certification you are the Father from the District Office.

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[uncletom]

Flew down to Penang on Sept 26th. Got my non o single on the 27th. Flew back to Suvarnabhum and activated

the visa on the 28th. Used up 2 1/2 months and then applied for a child support extension. Consequently I did go through the interview with my unofficial wife.. and left the children outside until they needed to be supervised.

Brought the kids in and the Pol Capt could see that we weren'yt pulling the wool over any ones eyes.. Our family unit looks and fits like a well oiled glove. Acting the parts could never have pulled it off. These Capt are well seasoned. We were asked why we weren't officially married, and my wife told her our reasons. She had also stated that it would be easier if I was over 50, but I was approved anyway.. Yes I was also told to come in next time and get my next extension, but to also report every 90... For them to see my happy appreciative face upon seeing my extension granted in my p book, made their day that day. I know because her face looked about the same as mine felt... They had rememberd us and they authentically were happy to be of service for us, as I could see...

Peace

Uncletom

[phuketrichard]

I am over 50 , my wife and i were married in the states so I had to have a lawyer and got to court to get a divorce. At the same time I was granted by the court sole custody of our daughter ( ge 12)

can I use that for my 1 year extension along with the BC or do I need to take the court papers to the Ampur and get this so called paper?

Do I need my daughter with me?

Depends with the Immigration officer. Some officers require the verification from the District Office, while others don't, if you have the marriage certificate and divorce paperwork. Best option if coming from Phuket, is to obtain the certification you are the Dad from the District Office.

If the court Order is from the USA, then it will not work for sure without getting the certification you are the Father from the District Office.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Married in the states, divorced and child custody via court in Phuket. Do I just take the court order ( from Phuket court in thai) to the Amphur or do I need to go to the district office? and get the paper what is this paper called?

Edited January 24, 2007 by phuketrichard

[papakapbaan]

Flew down to Penang on Sept 26th. Got my non o single on the 27th. Flew back to Suvarnabhum and activated

the visa on the 28th. Used up 2 1/2 months and then applied for a child support extension. Consequently I did go through the interview with my unofficial wife.. and left the children outside until they needed to be supervised.

Brought the kids in and the Pol Capt could see that we weren'yt pulling the wool over any ones eyes.. Our family unit looks and fits like a well oiled glove. Acting the parts could never have pulled it off. These Capt are well seasoned. We were asked why we weren't officially married, and my wife told her our reasons. She had also stated that it would be easier if I was over 50, but I was approved anyway.. Yes I was also told to come in next time and get my next extension, but to also report every 90... For them to see my happy appreciative face upon seeing my extension granted in my p book, made their day that day. I know because her face looked about the same as mine felt... They had rememberd us and they authentically were happy to be of service for us, as I could see...

Peace

Uncletom

Indeed Uncle Tom!

It seems you were one of the very latest cases who could get an annual extension of stay based on child support THANKS TO ENTRY PRIOR TO 01/10/2006.

Very lucky indeed.

If your latest entry stamp was after 01/10/2006 you would not qualify.

Despite all the good impression etc. you produced (of course it matters).

CHEERS! (Or "Peace!")

Edited January 24, 2007 by papakapbaan

[Sunbelt Asia]

Married in the states, divorced and child custody via court in Phuket. Do I just take the court order ( from Phuket court in thai) to the Amphur or do I need to go to the district office? and get the paper what is this paper called?

Amphur and District office are the same.

The paper is called "Certified Letter"

This certified letter guarantees that ( child) ...... Id card..... Birthday.... address.....belongs to ( Father) Mr. .... according to the birth certificate number .... issued at Embassy registration Office City....Date .....

Amphur Viengpungpao has checked this document already and issued this certified letter as the evidence.

Issued date : .....

Stamp Position of the officer

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Maestro]

About the letter from the Amphur stating that father is indeed the father and not just a doctored birth certificate.

I will second and third that this is what they require..

Now you’ve got me wondering: are you married to the mother of your child? I am married to the mother of my child, the child is over 25 years old, and the amphur said they cannot give me such certificate letter.

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Maestro

P.S. Saw the answer to my my question now in a later post of yours. You are the unmarried father of your child.

[Maestro]

My son was only 18 months and I could not get the letter from the Amphur. I had to go to the juvenile court in Chonburi ...my girlfriend of ten years...it was to find out if he was living with me and I was supporting him...just received my second one year visa with the same paperwork from the first year.

Am I reading correctly that

1. Your application for extension of stay was under the old rules, i.e. prior to October 1, 1006?

2. You are not married to the mother of your child?

3. The real issue was about your showing evidence that a Thai court ordered you to provide financial support for your son?

The new rule, i.e. 7.17(5), is no longer about support.

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Maestro

[roamer]

I'd appreciate any advice on the following although I appreciate this thread is mainly about those under 50 and I am not, it seems to be where the expertise is regarding my situation.

Married my Thai wife 6 years ago in UK, we live here most of the year with my 12 year old stepdaughter who now has dual nationality. We have been seriously considering returning to LOS on a permanent basis. At first sight it didn't appear to be a problem visa wise now thats not so clear. The extension of a non 0 based on marriage now seems that it might carry the requirement that the monthly 40K family income must either be earned in LOS with tax receipts produced or if from overseas employer then Embassy confirmation.

For those of us who have adequate income from other means to live in LOS and don't want to apply for a retirement visa this could be a problem.

It would appear if I was the biological father of a Thai child and over 50 then I would have few problems. But I'm not, she regards me as her father and its a great relationship but for visa purposes not one that is recognized by law.

My question is simply what if I were to adopt her in LOS ? (Which may not be simple ?) My wife has sole custody. Haven't been able to find much info on a search on this subject. Anyone able to help?

Would I then be regarded as the father for visa purposes ?

Good luck to the rest of you in trying to resolve your situations.

[roamer]

Why do you guys insist on living in a country that clearly doesn't want you there. I'm not on here looking for an argument but wake up people you aren't welcome in "The Land Of Smiles" unless you are a big spending holiday maker. O.K I understand some of you have got families living there but it must be very uncomfortable knowing you are not welcome.

Very nice Guy, u dont have a family, whistrey of your head

"O.K I understand some of you have got families living there but it must be very uncomfortable knowing you are not welcome."

Since when has the history of would be immigrants been different ? I wonder what tune your going to be whistling when you find that Lovelaos isn't loved by Laos ? And it will happen, with that name go find another forum.

[uncletom]

To lovelaos or loasylove . I beg to differ that the requirement set forth by th imm for 40,000 bt per month

makes us big spending holiday makers. Or even big spending. In most western countries this is considered

poverty level or below. ( Western thinking) But think of it this way. In Thailand and presumably Laos, 40,000

bt one month is a big spender. ( Thai thinking) It can be looked at two ways..... Obviously you are in a tunnel.

To chip in my 5 cents on the Amphur.. We had originally went to our house reg Amphur ( In which we don't live there any more. Only the mother in law does), to get the cert for proof of fatherhood. Since we left our kids in school, so the kids weren't with, we were not able to get it. But, ( they know us there anyway) the nice supervisor got he rules book out and then called to confirm it at another office. Any office ,any where will do to get the certification was the findings. So instead of going back, we plainly got the cert at a closer office that was convenient for us.. No problem what so ever.

Peace

uncletom

[papakapbaan]

Well. I see that other members answered the obvious flame attempt above...

So I will say:

Sadly, I think LoveLaos is right.

With reference to some replies above:

-The history of "would be immigrants" is NOT AT ALL an history of worldwide prejudice. Actually, many very successful countries economically pursued a policy of open integration and even ASSIMILATION of foreign populations for decades or even centuries.

Definitely not Thailand!!!

(I am personally coming from a MELTING POT country and rather proud of it!)

-The level of the financial requirements is not really the issue.

(Many could argue that there should not be any financial requirement. Personally I would agree that financial requirements are needed basically because Thailand is not a Welfare State)

In Europe, it's not just that foreigners married to nationals do not have to "show money" (now a salary) every year to be granted a TEMPORARY 1 year "extension" of stay.

They get an ID card and the right to work after 1 year.

They do not have to report every 90 days like a convict on parole.

They can own house and land.

...

I think it's clear to anybody without blinders :-(

We, "family cases", are NOT welcome in Thailand.

[uncletom]

Well , we under 50 family cases so to speak. It is quite remarkable tho, that married people are the new norm..I

wonder if one day they will acknowledge gay marriages. Wouldn't that be something. You who are unmarried , or unmarried and under fifty, having children are un- acceptable. While anyone who has a spouse matching their preference of gender, and has proven financial income, is approved. Please don't anyone take offense. It is only joke ....

The world is changing fast, and this just might become reality.....

Peace to all

Uncletom

[phuketrichard]

Married in the states, divorced and child custody via court in Phuket. Do I just take the court order ( from Phuket court in thai) to the Amphur or do I need to go to the district office? and get the paper what is this paper called?

Amphur and District office are the same.

The paper is called "Certified Letter"

This certified letter guarantees that ( child) ...... Id card..... Birthday.... address.....belongs to ( Father) Mr. .... according to the birth certificate number .... issued at Embassy registration Office City....Date .....

Amphur Viengpungpao has checked this document already and issued this certified letter as the evidence.

Issued date : .....

Stamp Position of the officer

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Hate to ask about the small stuff but its the small stuff that screws us up.

Kids under 16 don't have id cards,,,,,,, Would thai passport number suffice?

You said this needs to be issued by the ampur so why do u have issued at Embassy ?

Is appears this is a generic certified letter to be filled in and stamped at the embassy.

Can I just ask for this letter ( ie will the office have it in Thai)? or do i copy this one in english ( changing the ampur) and ask them to fill in the blanks??

Thanks again for all the help

Edited January 25, 2007 by phuketrichard

[papakapbaan]

Well , we under 50 family cases so to speak. It is quite remarkable tho, that married people are the new norm..I

wonder if one day they will acknowledge gay marriages. Wouldn't that be something. You who are unmarried , or unmarried and under fifty, having children are un- acceptable. While anyone who has a spouse matching their preference of gender, and has proven financial income, is approved. Please don't anyone take offense. It is only joke ....

The world is changing fast, and this just might become reality.....

Peace to all

Uncletom

Indeed in modern European countries, Gay marriages are recognized (and adoption is an option, if I am not mistaken).

I bet: not anyday soon in Thailand, if you ask me!

But I wouldn't mind or -sorry- care.

The question is about the right to support a biological child! My Buddha! (Sorry BUT!)

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And no, I did not mean that the under 50 unmarried -specifically- are unwelcome in Thailand.

SORRY. The under 50 unmarried are a totally PARIAH sub-group of the generally UNWELCOME FOREIGN SPOUSES/PARENTS. (Old and young)

Yes, this is my honest and sad opinion. I have to add that I do not see much hostility from the average Thai in the street -- to the contrary maybe. (Most Thais are attracted to Louk Krungs, we all know that. But it is quite superficial, we all can see).

But the ruling classes (how to say?) DEFINITELY DO NOT WELCOME FOREIGN SPOUSES. NO NO NO!

Edited January 25, 2007 by papakapbaan

[Sunbelt Asia]

Kids under 16 don't have id cards,,,,,,, Would thai passport number suffice?

It is the Amphur that fills this out. In this sample case, that was translated, they had a ID card. A Thai passport would suffice or depending on the District Office, neither will be required.

You said this needs to be issued by the ampur so why do u have issued at Embassy ?

Sorry, you are confused.

Here is the sample letter again isssued by the District Office( Amphur)

The paper is called "Certified Letter"

This certified letter guarantees that ( child) ...... Id card..... Birthday.... address.....belongs to ( Father) Mr. .... according to the birth certificate number .... issued at Embassy registration Office City....Date .....

Amphur Viengpungpao has checked this document already and issued this certified letter as the evidence.

Issued date : .....

Stamp Position of the officer

As you can see in the sample letter from the Amphur... he is stating how he knows you are the Daddy. In this case it was the birth certificate which was issued by the Embassy.

Is appears this is a generic certified letter to be filled in and stamped at the embassy.

No. It is a sample letter that the Amphur may issue you.

Can I just ask for this letter ( ie will the office have it in Thai)? or do i copy this one in english ( changing the ampur) and ask them to fill in the blanks??

The Amphur is the one that will type up the letter... not the Embassy.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[phuketrichard]

Khop Khun Krap :-)

[Maestro]

This certified letter guarantees that ( child) ...... Id card..... Birthday.... address.....belongs to ( Father) Mr. .... according to the birth certificate number .... issued at Embassy registration Office City....Date .....

Amphur Viengpungpao has checked this document already and issued this certified letter as the evidence.

So the amphur letter confirms information contained in a birth certificate issued by a Thai embassy, when the child of Thai nationality was born outside Thailand and the birth registered at a Thai Embassy?

Yes, this seems to make more sense than asking an amphur to confirm in a letter information contained in a birth certificate issued by the same amphur.

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Maestro

[papakapbaan]

This certified letter guarantees that ( child) ...... Id card..... Birthday.... address.....belongs to ( Father) Mr. .... according to the birth certificate number .... issued at Embassy registration Office City....Date .....

Amphur Viengpungpao has checked this document already and issued this certified letter as the evidence.

So the amphur letter confirms information contained in a birth certificate issued by a Thai embassy, when the child of Thai nationality was born outside Thailand and the birth registered at a Thai Embassy?

Yes, this seems to make more sense than asking an amphur to confirm in a letter information contained in a birth certificate issued by the same amphur.

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Maestro

I don't think so.

It's not just for children born abroad and registered at a Thai embassy.

My daughter was born in Thailand, her birth registered in Thailand, standard Birth Certificate.

An Immigration office recently requested this "certifying letter" from Aphur (to certify that I am indeed the father as written on BC) to process a request for extension of stay.

In my case, I think it may have something to do with the fact my daughter was born/registered in a different Amphur than her official address (the Tambian Baan of the family).

(So the Amphur who issued the BC is not the same Amphur who will issue the letter).