Hostesses harassed at men-only charity gala in London - FT says

[Kieran00001]

24 minutes ago, manarak said:

which is as hypocritical as it comes...

 

Nothing hypocritical about recognising that the right to sell yourself is not at all the same as the right to sell someone else.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Women will also behave this way at all women's events. Especially if you bring in attractive male entertainment.

Exactly right. In fact women are worse at women only events.

[CG1 Blue]

18 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Wrong on every count.  Waitresses dressed as waitresses and overweight drunken excuses for men grabbing a feel like the morons they are.

The waitresses were attractive young women wearing tight short skirts. I don't agree with the groping, but let's not pretend the waitresses were what you see at the local Harvester restaurant.

[MaeJoMTB]

20 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Putting your hand up a waitresses skirt is "flirting"?

Rolf Harris says yes.

[robblok]

38 minutes ago, manarak said:

it's not ok, and needs to be policed by organizers.

"serving ladies" is a blanket term that does not reflect the different meanings it covers.
 

when you say "serving ladies" I picture ladies looking like hi-class hotel staff, elegant but unerotic.

 

in this exclusively masculine event though, the ladies were wearing thin, short, body-revealing see-through dresses and high heels, and their primary task was not to serve drinks but to "entertain the guests".

so we are far from what I would picture as "serving ladies".

 

the organizers are responsible for making sure everyone is on the same page about the nature of the event and what can be tolerated and what not, as well as for providing the necessary security resources to enforce the rules.

Fine with me if they hire prostitutes, but you don't want to set a precedent for normal serving ladies. My point being that of normal serving ladies you can't ask such things. Then don't call them that.. call them call girls... prostitutes. Don't use serving ladies as a world as it would muddy the whole thing and who knows next time the guy thinks its ok to do this with a normal serving lady in a bar. 

[lovelomsak]

3 hours ago, Kadilo said:

I agree. But they are doing it with women who are there to sell themselves and not what they are doing, as opposed to the likes of students in the West end who are trying to earn a few extra quid. 

I am not exactly sure here but it has always been my belief the women who work these events  are women who are open to sex with some or all men there. I think the undercover woman was just looking for an exclusive and got a taste of what happens and did not suit her. She should not have been there simple as that. Perhaps she should look for more suitable writing material in the future.that is with in her sesitivity level. If a. male went undercover to Chippendale bachelorette party and got groped would he be surprised I do not think so. 

  The women are probably sent by an agency. An agency that probably caters to these kind of parties and is trusted. The breporter it seems facked what she would provide just to make trouble

[Kadilo]

15 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Rolf Harris says yes.

Fortunately he got what he deserved. 

[Kadilo]

3 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I am not exactly sure here but it has always been my belief the women who work these events  are women who are open to sex with some or all men there. I think the undercover woman was just looking for an exclusive and got a taste of what happens and did not suit her. She should not have been there simple as that. Perhaps she should look for more suitable writing material in the future.that is with in her sesitivity level. If a. male went undercover to Chippendale bachelorette party and got groped would he be surprised I do not think so. 

You need to read the report. You are way off the mark. 

[Kadilo]

4 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I am not exactly sure here but it has always been my belief the women who work these events  are women who are open to sex with some or all men there. I think the undercover woman was just looking for an exclusive and got a taste of what happens and did not suit her. She should not have been there simple as that. Perhaps she should look for more suitable writing material in the future.that is with in her sesitivity level. If a. male went undercover to Chippendale bachelorette party and got groped would he be surprised I do not think so. 

They are male strippers. These are paid hostesses. See the difference? 

[Roadman]

11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The waitresses were attractive young women wearing tight short skirts. I don't agree with the groping, but let's not pretend the waitresses were what you see at the local Harvester restaurant.

They were students for jeez sake....the same students who would be working their butts of in whatever restaurant you choose...for Christ’s sake what’s the <deleted> difference. They were paid 290 pound and taxi fares for the evening so of course students would take the risk for that sort of money. Or is it fine for drunken males to grope a student if they are waitressing wearing a mini skirt in the local chippie but not so if they are serving or hostess in the Ritz....jeez 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I guess you guys also think it was quite normal to expose the genitals to the waitress. 

Women expose their private bits on girls nights out.  I don't hear many complaints when that happens.  

[Kadilo]

 

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Steady on , it wouldnt turn the fundraiser into a brothel and it was hardly sexual assault 

Just people enjoying themselves

You're trolling is pathetic. You were appalled the other day by a male jogging in the park without a shirt on and have to look the other way ,  but putting your hand under a ladies skirt uninvited is people enjoying themselves. 

Youre a troll or a <deleted>. Which one? 

[Roadman]

8 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I am not exactly sure here but it has always been my belief the women who work these events  are women who are open to sex with some or all men there. I think the undercover woman was just looking for an exclusive and got a taste of what happens and did not suit her. She should not have been there simple as that. Perhaps she should look for more suitable writing material in the future.that is with in her sesitivity level. If a. male went undercover to Chippendale bachelorette party and got groped would he be surprised I do not think so. 

Gee...so the hostess’s who were students and were earning the unbelievable amount of 290 pound for the evening and were being chased out from toilets where they were hiding in the toilet to avoid the male onslaught sure reads like females dying for a few tricks for the evening....some of the views on here certainly belong in the bars of Thailand 

[Kadilo]

25 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The waitresses were attractive young women wearing tight short skirts. I don't agree with the groping, but let's not pretend the waitresses were what you see at the local Harvester restaurant.

Similar attire to what a Croupier wears at a Casino. Would you put your hand up a Croupiers skirt too, or would she be asking for it ? 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Because i find it amazing that people like you seem to think its ok to grope up serving ladies in bars and exposing your genitals to them. If you do that in the general public you will be in trouble. Why should it be permitted for serving ladies.. and where does it end... its ok to grope this serving lady at this event but not that one..... 

I think you're confusing these hostesses with your average café or restaurant waitress. These girls are hired for their looks and paid accordingly. They know they are at these events for viewing pleasure.

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 

You're trolling is pathetic. You were appalled the other day by a male jogging in the park without a shirt on and have to look the other way ,  but putting your hand under a ladies skirt uninvited is people enjoying themselves. 

Youre a troll or a <deleted>. Which one? 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

I think you're confusing these hostesses with your average café or restaurant waitress. These girls are hired for their looks and paid accordingly. They know they are at these events for viewing pleasure.

 

Wow, you confused looking with touching!

[toughlove]

I did all of that at a new go go in Pattaya last night and settled it with a lady drink [emoji3]

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I think you're confusing these hostesses with your average café or restaurant waitress. These girls are hired for their looks and paid accordingly. They know they are at these events for viewing pleasure.

So you consider viewing and touching the same.. ok thanks next... I bet there was no where in their work description that they had to allow groping.

[lovelomsak]

10 minutes ago, Roadman said:

They were students for jeez sake....the same students who would be working their butts of in whatever restaurant you choose...for Christ’s sake what’s the <deleted> difference. They were paid 290 pound and taxi fares for the evening so of course students would take the risk for that sort of money. Or is it fine for drunken males to grope a student if they are waitressing wearing a mini skirt in the local chippie but not so if they are serving or hostess in the Ritz....jeez 

I reread the post many times I cannot find the reference to students. These events are catered too by agencies that in all likelyhood do it regularly and know the clients needs and wants  I am sure no students were involved you guys make mountains out of mole hills.. There were 3 man to every hostess. Pretty high service level do you not think.  Either the agency screwed up or the reporters lied about the service they would give. I think it is the reporters lied about what service they would give. that would make it entrapment correct.

[Kadilo]

I did all of that at a new go go in Pattaya last night and settled it with a lady drink [emoji3]

I think probably a few of the posters in here were there also.


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[robblok]

6 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I reread the post many times I cannot find the reference to students. These events are catered too by agencies that in all likelyhood do it regularly and know the clients needs and wants  I am sure no students were involved you guys make mountains out of mole hills.. There were 3 man to every hostess. Pretty high service level do you not think.  Either the agency screwed up or the reporters lied about the service they would give. I think it is the reporters lied about what service they would give. that would make it entrapment correct.

Yea if that makes it better

 

It was claimed that they were paid £150 for a six-hour shift, plus £25 for a taxi home, not including any time they spent at an after-party at which one woman was told to “down that glass, rip off your knickers and dance on that table”.

 

Look do you really think that they should include groping for a 150 gbp  salary for an evening ? These were no more then normal girls. If they had to provide sexual favors and such the price would be much higher. 

[CG1 Blue]

19 minutes ago, Roadman said:

They were students for jeez sake....the same students who would be working their butts of in whatever restaurant you choose...for Christ’s sake what’s the <deleted> difference. They were paid 290 pound and taxi fares for the evening so of course students would take the risk for that sort of money. Or is it fine for drunken males to grope a student if they are waitressing wearing a mini skirt in the local chippie but not so if they are serving or hostess in the Ritz....jeez 

But that's the point. A 'waitress' would not be paid 290 quid plus taxi fares for one evening's work. A waitress would be lucky to get 30 quid for the same hours. These hostesses are paid a premium for being eye candy, and they are fully aware of this.

Many students work at a lap dancing clubs to make cash, so I don't know what relevance your reference to students has.

[CG1 Blue]

21 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

47 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The waitresses were attractive young women wearing tight short skirts. I don't agree with the groping, but let's not pretend the waitresses were what you see at the local Harvester restaurant.

Similar attire to what a Croupier wears at a Casino. Would you put your hand up a Croupiers skirt too, or would she be asking for it ? 

Note the words "I don't agree with the groping"

[Kadilo]

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

. These hostesses are paid a premium for being eye candy......

How many times are you gonna shoot yourself on the foot. 

 Notice the "eye" bit?

[MaeJoMTB]

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

Look do you really think that they should include groping for a 150 gbp  salary for an evening ? These were no more then normal girls. If they had to provide sexual favors and such the price would be much higher. 

I've groped a lot of bar girls that were paid 50bht for their share of a lady drink and a 100bht tip from me.

(When I say groped, it's them grabbing my hand and placing it, I'm not all that aggressive)

But 150GBP seems a lot of money for a waitress, maybe I've been in SE Asia too long.

             

[Kadilo]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Note the words "I don't agree with the groping"

The whole article is based around unwanted attention and uninvited touching. You in the right thread? 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:

I've groped a lot of bar girls that were paid 50bht for their share of a lady drink and a 100bht tip from me.

150GBP seems a lot of money.

Yea.. if you compare it with Thailand.. not with working in London where rates are much higher. But you know that of course.

[MaeJoMTB]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yea.. if you compare it with Thailand.. not with working in London where rates are much higher. But you know that of course.

When I was working in the City, Pamella Bordes was charging 300gbp for the night.

[CG1 Blue]

20 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Wow, you confused looking with touching!

I have repeatedly said I disagree with the touching. Look but don't touch (unless invited). The gropers need to be dealt with if they went too far.

 

I just disagree when people are trying to paint this as a bunch of normal waitresses at a normal event. A men only event for which the hostesses got 290 quid, free taxis and free drinks.