Hostesses harassed at men-only charity gala in London - FT says

[CG1 Blue]

20 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Wow, you confused looking with touching!

I have repeatedly said I disagree with the touching. Look but don't touch (unless invited). The gropers need to be dealt with if they went too far.

 

I just disagree when people are trying to paint this as a bunch of normal waitresses at a normal event. A men only event for which the hostesses got 290 quid, free taxis and free drinks. 

[MaeJoMTB]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

I just disagree when people are trying to paint this as a bunch of normal waitresses at a normal event. A men only event for which the hostesses got 290 quid, free taxis and free drinks. 

And a few 'tips'.

Anyway, some are saying 150, some are saying 290.

If it were 150, then the 'touching' could be arguable.

If it were 290, no question they were up for it.

Edited January 25, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

And a few 'tips'.

Anyway, some are saying 150, some are saying 290.

If it were 150, then the 'touching' could be arguable.

If it were 290, no question they were up for it.

2 different articls make it 150

 

https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

 

 

[MaeJoMTB]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

2 different articls make it 150

Doesn't mean anything, most reporters just rewrite each others stories, which in turn are copied from AP or Reuters news feeds.

Edited January 25, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[robblok]

1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Doesn't mean anything, most reporters just rewrite each others stories, which in turn are copied from AP or Reuters news feeds.

The one i posted seems to be the most comprehensive story i read. 

[lovelomsak]

32 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yea if that makes it better

 

It was claimed that they were paid £150 for a six-hour shift, plus £25 for a taxi home, not including any time they spent at an after-party at which one woman was told to “down that glass, rip off your knickers and dance on that table”.

 

Look do you really think that they should include groping for a 150 gbp  salary for an evening ? These were no more then normal girls. If they had to provide sexual favors and such the price would be much higher. 

I feel the salary 150 gbp could  be seen at  similar to barfine. They get paid that to show up and after they are there it is what ever the market will bare. Especially in the smaller rooms after. The. guys know this and probably all the hostess even the reporters. The reporters are just out to make a name for themsleves and make problems for men and other events for real hostess who would make money and probably be happy to do it.

  At 3 men to each hostess the men test the waters so they can chose who goes to the private room after. Do any of you guys ever get off your computer and go outside and see the real world.

Edited January 25, 2018 by lovelomsak

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

The whole article is based around unwanted attention and uninvited touching. You in the right thread? 

I'll try to make it clearer.  The girls working for these hostess agencies expect the lewd comments and maybe the occasional chancer putting his arm around their waist. The lewd comments and unwanted attention should not be part of this story. That is not news. I know girls who have worked for those agencies, and they would not appreciate the PC brigade taking away a great way to earn good money.

 

I'll repeat again - the proper groping was out of order.  I suggest we focus on that only.

 

[MaeJoMTB]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

The one i posted seems to be the most comprehensive story i read. 

 

Just followed some links, and it does say Madison Marriage attended herself, pretending to be a hostess, so she probably knows what she was being paid.

 

Jeez, they must have been drunk to grope her, if that was the quality of the girls they hired .......

 

Edited January 25, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I feel the salary 150 gbp could  be seen at  similar to barfine. They get paid that to show up and after they are there it is what ever the market will bare. Especially in the smaller rooms after. The. guys know this and probably all the hostess even the reporters. The reporters are just out to make a name for themsleves and make problems for men and other events for real hostess who would make money and probably be happy to do it.

  At 3 hostess to each man the men test the waters so they can chose who goes to the private room after. Do any of you guys ever get off your computer and go outside and see the real world.

No wonder woman feel there is a lot to change with people like you. I have been in the real word.. but you can't compare what you experience in Thailand with a 150 pound salary for a an evening. That is not a lot of money for a job in London. 

[robblok]

Just now, MaeJoMTB said:

Doesn't mean anything, journalists have been routinely coping  from the wire services for years, hardly any reporters on staff in London any more, just story editors.

Maybe you should read it before judging.. i think this story might be the first and others are just smaller versions of that story. 

[giddyup]

58 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

They are male strippers. These are paid hostesses. See the difference? 

Try grabbing a feel in a western strip club and see where it lands you.

[lovelomsak]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

No wonder woman feel there is a lot to change with people like you. I have been in the real word.. but you can't compare what you experience in Thailand with a 150 pound salary for a an evening. That is not a lot of money for a job in London. 

Exactly but if she does not get lucky she a least goes away with something. Compare it to a ladies drink then feel better now.

[lovelomsak]

7 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Try grabbing a feel in a western strip club and see where it lands you.

It was not a strip  club it was a private party with hostess (prostitutes) looking for customers.

  But in a strip club a guy would get a good beating.

Edited January 25, 2018 by lovelomsak

[dunroaming]

10 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I am not condoning any of the behaviors here,  I have never behaved in the way criticized in the article, even in my 20's. But a point I was trying to allude to is that if you set the situation up with the right conditions, Women will also behave this way at all women's events. Especially if you bring in attractive male entertainment. Not all women of course. But a certain minority will go far beyond anything described in  the article. Of course you will not see any major headlines about that.

You set it up right and give men or women the confidence that it is OK to let go of the PC facade and you will see some monkey business. The undercover journalism at this event is nothing short of entrapment.

Yes but you have to compare like with like.  Women only nights fall into many categories as well and there is a lot of difference between the WI knees ups and the hen party weekends on Ibiza.  This evening was a fund raising event full of high powered businessmen and company directors, not a stag night at the local lap dancing club.

 

I have been to both and believe me the stag night is far more entertaining!

 

I do think that this "exposure" by the undercover journalist is way over the top but at the moment it is flavour of the month thanks to Weinsteingate.  The description of scantily clad hostesses is just plain bullsh*t.  The waitresses (because that is what they were) were dressed in short black cocktail dresses.  Far more modest than any nightclub going young raver.

 

These sort of events are for the dinosaurs but surely they should be pitied rather than pilloried. 

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

No wonder woman feel there is a lot to change with people like you. I have been in the real word.. but you can't compare what you experience in Thailand with a 150 pound salary for a an evening. That is not a lot of money for a job in London. 

But you must acknowledge a 'waitress' in London does not earn 150 (or 290) plus cab fares and drinks. A waitress in London will earn less than 7 quid an hour.

What do you think the premium is for? Are these girls that much better at transferring a glass of whisky from a tray to the table?

[NanLaew]

22 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I believe that should read clitoris, not vagina.

And to answer what's a clitoris?

 

Who cares?

[dunroaming]

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But you must acknowledge a 'waitress' in London does not earn 150 (or 290) plus cab fares and drinks. A waitress in London will earn less than 7 quid an hour.

What do you think the premium is for? Are these girls that much better at transferring a glass of whisky from a tray to the table?

Depending on the event, waitresses at events earn more than waitresses in restaurants who do earn the minimum plus tips.  £100 to £150 per event would be realistic.  The more experienced the waitress the higher the pay.  Transport home is normally supplied. 

[lovelomsak]

The women who work these kind of events are expected to not talk about who they were with or what happened same as the escorts who cater to top sports celebrities. They are brought in paid to be on the (menu )if the customer likes what he sees or a few like the same item they order take out and go to a private room. That is very much ok with the women who get chosen. This whole article is just contemporary lets go bust some balls story.

[canuckamuck]

14 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

This whole article is just contemporary lets go bust some balls story.

Ball busting is now the biggest game in town, lots of guys getting in on it too.

The demasculist movement is going mainstream

[samsensam]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

All the guys defending it here.......  

 

Crazy.

 

Since when its a guys right to grope and touch woman who are just there to serve drinks. I guess you guys also think it was quite normal to expose the genitals to the waitress. 

 

I wonder if you  guys would be so understanding if it were your daughters or wives serving drinks there. 

 

an interesting , and frankly sad, indication of the mentality of some of the people who use this site

[Kadilo]

5 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

an interesting , and frankly sad, indication of the mentality of some of the people who use this site

I'm not at all surprised. I've seen first hand how some people can change over time when living over here particularly in places like Pattaya. 

One friend I used to go drinking with would cringe like myself when an ex pat had his hands down a Bar Girls knickers waving a 20 baht note around in the other. 

5 years on we met up for a beer and he's pretty much doing the same after living in Pattaya in that time. Completely changed, not only in that respect but many others all for the worse. 

 

[evadgib]

I haven't quite worked out what is going on yet, but this politically correct/professional victim shlte is getting right up my left nostril. Skulduggery is undoubtedly afoot...

Edited January 25, 2018 by evadgib

[Scott]

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[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

The women who work these kind of events are expected to not talk about who they were with or what happened same as the escorts who cater to top sports celebrities. They are brought in paid to be on the (menu )if the customer likes what he sees or a few like the same item they order take out and go to a private room. That is very much ok with the women who get chosen. This whole article is just contemporary lets go bust some balls story.

A succinct and accurate assessment of what is happening here. For each 'victim' claiming they were abused and assaulted, there's probably at least a dozen, regular hostesses with tuition bills and mouths to feed who are really p!ssed off about this not so startling expose of how the world really turns.

 

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Ball busting is now the biggest game in town, lots of guys getting in on it too.

The demasculist movement is going mainstream

It comes to a point where the true, ball-bearing types have to call these BS, sensationalist stories for what they truly are.

 

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

I'm not at all surprised. I've seen first hand how some people can change over time when living over here particularly in places like Pattaya. 

One friend I used to go drinking with would cringe like myself when an ex pat had his hands down a Bar Girls knickers waving a 20 baht note around in the other. 

5 years on we met up for a beer and he's pretty much doing the same after living in Pattaya in that time. Completely changed, not only in that respect but many others all for the worse. 

 

Five years on and you are still wading through the same cesspit and still cringing?

 

As for 20 baht for a grope, where else can one expect such bang for the buck? Get back to us in another 5 years and let us know how it's going.

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

I haven't quite worked out what is going on yet, but this politically correct/professional victim shlte is getting right up my left nostril. Skulduggery is undoubtedly afoot...

It's a pretty bad when the Financial Times has to resort to a Daily Mail type exposé of what has been business as usual for the past 33 years. I thought British print media had bottomed when the once venerated Daily Telegraph began featuring regular, front page stories about the Kardashians. Apparently the FT's circulation needed a similar boost.

 

In perspective, President's Club has folded and a legacy of £20 million raised for clearly designated and very deserving recipients has been summarily erased. On the other hand, "... a line of younger women were left seated on a banquette at the back of the room, seemingly dazed. “They looked shocked and frightened, exhausted by what had happened, ..."

 

...allegedly.

 

But they all got paid... plus 25 quid for the taxi.

[jacko45k]

19 hours ago, sanemax said:

Do you have issues with the peoples actions , or are you just against them because rich people are being targeted ?

   If if was poor people who did what they did , would you still have the same opinion ?

That is a good point and likely spot on.

I doubt there was a 'waitress' there who didn't know what to expect, the way they were told to dress should have warned off the faint hearted, and anything untoward happening they were uncomfortable with they could have left. Although one specifically, the reporter, was perhaps hoping for a bit of that.

 

Powerful rich randy old men, alcohol and a few scantily dressed young waitresses is a mixture likely to produce some indiscretion. The only thing I dislike is that thee event hides under the veil of 'being for charity'.

The pendulum swings and I hope it reaches its apex soon, everyone is a victim!

Edited January 25, 2018 by jacko45k

[steven100]

So now because the feminist brigade have decided to join the bandwagon,  there will be no more parties as the presidents club is being closed down.  I think most of us have just had enough of this BS.

What the heck did they expect at a men only club   !!

I consider their whinging only makes them look stupid as we said, what did they think would happen.

 

 

 

[MaeJoMTB]

10 hours ago, Kadilo said:

I'm not at all surprised. I've seen first hand how some people can change over time when living over here particularly in places like Pattaya. 

One friend I used to go drinking with would cringe like myself when an ex pat had his hands down a Bar Girls knickers waving a 20 baht note around in the other. 

5 years on we met up for a beer and he's pretty much doing the same after living in Pattaya in that time. Completely changed, not only in that respect but many others all for the worse. 

 

If you  can't beat them, join them.

[Kadilo]

39 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

If you  can't beat them, join them.

Not a surprising comment from someone who thinks if a lady goes into a room alone with a customer then she is giving consent for sex whatever the circumstances 

Edited January 26, 2018 by Kadilo

[toughlove]

I'm not at all surprised. I've seen first hand how some people can change over time when living over here particularly in places like Pattaya. 

One friend I used to go drinking with would cringe like myself when an ex pat had his hands down a Bar Girls knickers waving a 20 baht note around in the other. 

5 years on we met up for a beer and he's pretty much doing the same after living in Pattaya in that time. Completely changed, not only in that respect but many others all for the worse. 

 

The BG had the option of telling him to piss off.

Let's face it nearly all came here because it was the path of least resistance. But many become "hi so" after marrying a hooker and moving away to her daddies farm and donating a house.

All of a sudden Pattaya is a nasty place.

[Kadilo]

8 hours ago, NanLaew said:

A succinct and accurate assessment of what is happening here. For each 'victim' claiming they were abused and assaulted, there's probably at least a dozen, regular hostesses with tuition bills and mouths to feed who are really p!ssed off about this not so startling expose of how the world really turns.

 

It comes to a point where the true, ball-bearing types have to call these BS, sensationalist stories for what they truly are.

 

Five years on and you are still wading through the same cesspit and still cringing?

 

As for 20 baht for a grope, where else can one expect such bang for the buck? Get back to us in another 5 years and let us know how it's going.

 

It's a pretty bad when the Financial Times has to resort to a Daily Mail type exposé of what has been business as usual for the past 33 years. I thought British print media had bottomed when the once venerated Daily Telegraph began featuring regular, front page stories about the Kardashians. Apparently the FT's circulation needed a similar boost.

 

In perspective, President's Club has folded and a legacy of £20 million raised for clearly designated and very deserving recipients has been summarily erased. On the other hand, "... a line of younger women were left seated on a banquette at the back of the room, seemingly dazed. “They looked shocked and frightened, exhausted by what had happened, ..."

 

...allegedly.

 

But they all got paid... plus 25 quid for the taxi.

What's pretty bad is a bunch of wealthy businessmen using a fund raising charity as a guise to have a quick grope. 

 

Great Ormand  Street Hospital one of the recipients have returned the money as they are disgusted by the way I'm which it was raised as are most people. It's no argument that because it's down under the charity umbrella it somehow makes this kind of behaviour acceptable. 

 

Great piece of work by the FT.  I'm sure there will be many to follow in the coming weeks until these type of clubs are weeded out. One down a few thousand to go :)