SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[riclag]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The "majority" here, less than 400 TVF members, want to see Trump finish his first term.  It's safe to assume a large number of them believe the harm done by removing Trump and making Pence president outweighs the harm of letting Trump blunder on for the remainder of his term.

The fact is in this thread the lead is 30 votes,the most ever.  Everyday the hysterical drum beats. I never seen comments other then the haters,talking about Trump is the better of the two. I never seen pro Trump 1st term yes voters make that claim.nice try

[riclag]

The deranged left think PT is a Nazi, anti Christ,dictator a demonic moron who will destroy democracy and the world.. Why don't the Dem's and anti Trump GOP impeach him now?

Edited June 30, 2018 by riclag

[heybruce]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

The fact is in this thread the lead is 30 votes,the most ever.  Everyday the hysterical drum beats. I never seen comments other then the haters,talking about Trump is the better of the two. I never seen pro Trump 1st term yes voters make that claim.nice try

You really should proof-read before posting: "talking about Trump is the better of the two"? 

 

In spite of the lack of coherence, I'm pretty sure you have not addressed or refuted anything I posted.

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, riclag said:

The deranged left think PT is a Nazi, anti Christ,dictator a demonic moron who will destroy democracy and the world.. Why don't the Dem's and anti Trump GOP impeach him now?

Because the Republicans in Congress think that Trump's base will determine who wins in the Republican primaries, and they value their jobs more than the future of the country.

[Opl]

27 minutes ago, riclag said:

The deranged left think PT is a Nazi, anti Christ,dictator a demonic moron who will destroy democracy and the world.. Why don't the Dem's and anti Trump GOP impeach him now?

 

Don't believe everything you think

[riclag]

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Because the Republicans in Congress think that Trump's base will determine who wins in the Republican primaries, and they value their jobs more than the future of the country.

But the  left claim he will destroy the world economies and that he's in humane in treatment of  people all over the world .His policies will set back everything that took years and years to build. Why don't they impeach him for this ,threat

Edited June 30, 2018 by riclag

[Jingthing]

Jon Stewart combined with Michael Moore defines the struggle well here.

But the harsh reality at this point is that the authoritarian fascistic demagogic forces of evil "trump" have indeed WON bigly and there is very little hope of significantly turning around the damage he is doing for at least a generation.

So congratulations "trump" fans. You did it even if most of you probably don't even support many of the specifics of what's going to happen now (Roe vs. Wade being overturned for example).

Not sure what this will lead to. It might even be civil war or things like California seriously attempting to separate.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jingthing

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

But the  left claim he will destroy the world economies and that he's in humane in treatment of  people all over the world .His policies will set back everything that took years and years to build. Why don't they impeach him for this ,threat

I answered your question. If you want to ramble, don't do it replying to my post. 

[riclag]

"It's safe to assume a large number of them believe the harm done by removing Trump and making Pence president outweighs the harm of letting Trump blunder on for the remainder of his term".

 

 I didn't notice the assumption,your opinion. No problem!

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

"It's safe to assume a large number of them believe the harm done by removing Trump and making Pence president outweighs the harm of letting Trump blunder on for the remainder of his term".

 

 I didn't notice the assumption,your opinion. No problem!

And in your opinion voting against Trump finishing his first term is the same as supporting Trump.  It's the same as saying everyone who supports gay rights is gay.

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

The "majority" here, less than 400 TVF members, want to see Trump finish his first term.  It's safe to assume a large number of them believe the harm done by removing Trump and making Pence president outweighs the harm of letting Trump blunder on for the remainder of his term.

 ? 

guilty.

[Jingthing]

All this noise about seeing any meaning in this "poll" here is just silly.

Why?

 

It's a totally unscientific survey on an international forum.

 

Anyone can vote including non-American citizens.

 

In the actual last election "trump" lost the popular vote significantly, so in that most important poll, it was shown that actual Americans didn't even want to him to START his first term.

 

Continuing scientific polling of actual Americans shows he has an approval rating of about 40 percent. That doesn't mean he can't win reelection because of the structure of the electoral college, but it does strongly indicate he will NEVER win a majority of popular votes.

 

Obviously as already mentioned, some people voting here wanting him to finish have other good reasons to want him to finish OTHER than actually supporting him.

 

But I get it, the obsessive "trump" fans will continue to obnoxiously GLOAT about the results of this almost totally meaningless survey here.

 

Best to just ignore them. They get pleasure from rubbing this in the face of the majority of DECENT Americans that oppose "trump". 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jingthing

[riclag]

According to Moore, PT is the devil and he is destroying families, Well,why don't they get rid of  PT now. Save everybody from his future wrath and destruction.Get it over with,if the left has the proof of wrong doing,show the evidence, they can save future misery and suffering by impeaching him now 

Edited June 30, 2018 by riclag

[riclag]

TVF entertainment survey vote includes people from all over the world. The vote is in favor of PT finishing.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

TVF entertainment survey vote includes people from all over the world. The vote is in favor of PT finishing.

Can you give me the statistics on its composition? For instance, does it skew male or female or are the numbers roughly even?

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

According to Moore, PT is the devil and he is destroying families, Well,why don't they get rid of  PT now. Save everybody from his future wrath and destruction.Get it over with,if the left has the proof of wrong doing,show the evidence, they can save future misery and suffering by impeaching him now 

They will, have patience. The problem is that Trump is a slippery bar steward and they want to make sure he is got hook line and sinker. By the way it is not the liberals are after him, it is the legitimate law enforcement agencies and procedures that will bring him down. They are non partisan and will follow the law. If he has done nothing he will go free if he has broke the law he will face the judicial process.

 

Don't you think it was rich for Trey Gowdy to say to Rosenstein "finish the damn investigation'? The statement coming from a man who stretched out the Benghazi investigation for 2 1/2 years without a single indictment, arrest or person giving a guilty plea.

[Jingthing]

Here it comes.

I'm writing the 45 fans off as lost causes.

But again shame on everyone that didn't vote, voted for 45 ironically, or voted for a throwaway party in a swing state.

All of the excuses are super lame.

Bernie got screwed? So what compared to the evil that now has total power?

 

45 fans so often racist and ignorant.

 

What's your excuse again?

 

Not good enough.

 

Now here is the table you set.

 

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-explosion-is-coming/2018/06/29/c3301b66-7ba2-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html

 

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"Now we have a Supreme Court nomination — the second in as many years — from an unpopular president who lost the popular vote by 2.8 million. The nominee will be forced through by also-unpopular Senate Republicans , who, like

House Republicans , did not win a majority of the vote in 2016.

Compounding the outrage, each of the prospective nominees is all but certain, after joining the court, to support the eventual overturning of Roe v. Wade , which has held the nation together in a tenuous compromise on abortion for 45 years and is supported by two-thirds of Americans . For good measure, the new justice may well join the other four conservative justices in revoking same-sex marriage, which also has the support of two-thirds of Americans. "

 

 

 

 

 

[bartender100]

I think this thread will still be going, long after he is well into his second term, why would Americans not want him back?

[Jingthing]

I think this thread will still be going, long after he is well into his second term, why would Americans not want him back?

A majority didn't want him the first time!

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[lannarebirth]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Nader destroyed his legacy as a consumer rights advocate and will now be remembered as the man who swung the 2000 election from Gore to Bush.  The Bush presidency speaks for itself.  That's what voting for third party candidates that have no chance of success leads to, the worst candidate wins.

 

The DNC worked to get the life-long Democrat elected.  They should have done it openly instead of covertly, but I find their transgressions small compared to Trump's.

 

You may find their transgressions small but it is those transgressions and many many more, aided by a complicit media, that has brought you Trump. If you're the kind of person that doesn't hang ob every news bite but can see the bigger picture, it is Trump and Sanders (neither Democrats)who are helping to create a better Democrat party. Against the wishes of the Democrat party I might add; but then no established power bloc goes away easily.

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

 

 "I would have voted for Bernie.." Someone who regularly cites right wing economists, whose criticisms of actual Trump achievements are remarkably tepid, and whose constantly tries to work negative comments about  Clinton in relation to Trump  into unrelated conversations is very unlikely to be a Sanders supporter.

 

And had Sanders been the candidate the "socialist" label would have sunk his candidacy. That and the fact the he was really quite ignorant. Let's hope the Elizabeth Warren or someone like her gets to be the Democratic candidate. You know, a true and knowledgeable populist.

 

You must be joking. Elizabeth Sanders is a fraud and and me too'er. Rode on Bernie's coattails throughout the primaries to establish her own credentials and then didn't even endorse him. Doing the same thing now with regard to 2020. When I say fraud, I don't mean any of that Native American nonsense, I mean there's no there, there.

 

What would you have me say about Trump that I haven't said?  That he's a serial liar, con man, narcissist, mean spirited? I've said all those things. Do I think he is a threat to democracy? Maybe in some other country he would be, but not in America. Mueller will take him down if he's got a case, so I'm too worried about that. 

 

I do think he has been a catalyst for change however. I also think he's got a pretty good knack for highlighting all the areas where past bad governance has placed the US in disadvantageous situations. His proposed solutions are almost all horrendous but he's shining a light on the problem, so that's not all bad if you can take the long view. 

 

You know the thing about the internet is everyone's only got a 24 hr or less memory. Feel free to investigate my posting history from the 2016 primaries.

[lannarebirth]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Nader destroyed his legacy as a consumer rights advocate and will now be remembered as the man who swung the 2000 election from Gore to Bush.  The Bush presidency speaks for itself.  That's what voting for third party candidates that have no chance of success leads to, the worst candidate wins.

 

The DNC worked to get the life-long Democrat elected.  They should have done it openly instead of covertly, but I find their transgressions small compared to Trump's.

 

That's nonsense about Nader's legacy, and BTW he is much much more than a consumer rights activist.

[bushdoctor]

Not surprising to me that the majority of people surveyed here want Trump to finish his term. 

[Jingthing]

Not surprising to me that the majority of people surveyed here want Trump to finish his term. 

Gloating again?

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[rhodie]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Gloating again?

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and the universe is better for that.

[Jingthing]

Democrats? Time to stop being Mr. Nice Guy?

 

 

"Trump’s Supreme Court nominee will likely be committed to overturning or chipping away at Roe v. Wade, an indication that the coming years and decades in American politics will be ever more acrimonious, bitter, and chaotic. Our institutions and norms were not built for this and will not prevent the Republican Party from pounding a Democratic Party playing by an antiquated set of rules into dust. But the GOP can be weakened. Impeaching Trump and obstructing the activities of this Congress are sensible ways to start. "

 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/the-debate-over-what-to-do-about-kennedy-misses-the-forest-for-the-trees.html

 

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[Jingthing]

and the universe is better for that.

It's just obnoxious as the survey here doesn't mean anything.

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[heybruce]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

You may find their transgressions small but it is those transgressions and many many more, aided by a complicit media, that has brought you Trump. If you're the kind of person that doesn't hang ob every news bite but can see the bigger picture, it is Trump and Sanders (neither Democrats)who are helping to create a better Democrat party. Against the wishes of the Democrat party I might add; but then no established power bloc goes away easily.

I'm not sure what your point is here, but I think it's "But, but, but....Karma!"

 

As far as Trump and Sanders creating a better Democratic party, that's only true if you believe you can fine tune complex machinery with a sledge hammer.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

That's nonsense about Nader's legacy, and BTW he is much much more than a consumer rights activist.

A person's legacy is what he is remembered by.  Nader is remembered as a consumer rights advocate and the man who stole votes from Gore in the 2000 election, thus leading to the election of Bush. 

 

He is primarily remembered for the latter, just as Ross Perot is primarily remembered as swinging the 1992 election from Bush Sr to Clinton.  The country seriously needs an election run-off or some other means to ensure the least popular major candidate doesn't win.  Until then (and run-off elections are a long way off) it is insane to vote third party.

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

Not surprising to me that the majority of people surveyed here want Trump to finish his term. 

The likely demographics of members make that all but inevitable. And of course, there are some like me, who think Democrats don't need impeachment to get rid of Trump and should instead be proposing bills that actually address the needs of the 90 percent whom Republicans have slighted. And there probably are some unlike me who actually voted.

Edited June 30, 2018 by bristolboy