Renewal of NON-O Retirement

[Travelighlty]

I've looked for info detailing the renewal process after the expiration of the one year NON-O Retirement visa. Can anyone give up to date info? Do you start from scratch needing your proof of income, etc.? Also, what documents are required for the Extension of NON–O Retirement visas. Is it more than the application form? Do I need to show my latest rental agreement? Anything else? Is there an online site that spells all this out?

[ubonjoe]

To apply for an extension of stay based upon retirement (it is not a visa) you have to show financial proof for every extension application.

You must have 800k baht in a Thai bank for 60 days if it is your first extension or 3 months for the 2nd one and onwards or proof of 65k baht income or a combination of the 2 totaling 800k baht.

For money in the bank you will need a bank letter and copies of your updated bank book. For income you will need a letter from your embassy confirming your income.

You will need a completed TM7 application form with one 4 X 6 cm photo attached. Copies of your passport photo page, visa, entry stamp, extension stamp (if any) and TM6 departure card. Some offices may want copies of every page with a visa or stamp for stamp for Thailand on it.

You will need proof of residence which can be a rental agreement with copies of the owners house book and ID card attached.

[Travelighlty]

You don't know of the specific Thailand government site that specifies this information? Btw, the www.mfa.go.th website refers to the document as a Non-Immigrant Visa "O-A" (Long Stay). I do appreciate your responding and providing the info you did, I guess I'm really looking for the source document spelling it out. For example for the 90 day reporting, do I need the proof of income? Proof of continued residence such as a rental receipt? Etc. I'd never know from the TM 47 Form. Going to Immigration, it's "Good luck! having all the right info for them. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to do a return trip. Arggggg...! And it appears I'm not the only one confused. I know someone who has done border runs every 90 days to get an extension–appears to have been doing it for years!

[Lite Beer]

Taken from The Police Order that deals with Extensions of Stay.

 

(1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM);  (2) The applicant is 50 years of age or over;  (3) Proof of income of not less than Baht 65,000 per month; or  (4) Account deposit with a bank in Thailand of not less than  800,000 Baht as shown in the bank account for the past 3 months at the filing date of the application. For the first year, the applicant should have that amount in his bank account for not less than 60 days or  (5) Annual income plus bank account deposit totaling  2.22 In the case of a retiree: Permission will be granted for a period of not more  than 1 year at a time.

[Lite Beer]

An O-A Visa is a totally different animal which you apply for in your own country.

 

90 day reporting just requires you to fill the form out and copy a page or two from your passport.

You can even do it by post or maybe online.

 

BTW. I hope you have been doing border runs every 90 days.

[Tanoshi]

If you have a Non Imm O-A Visa obtained from your home Country, each entry allows a stay of one year.

 

The Visa has an ''enter before'' date. If at the end of your fist year and just before the enter before date you exit and re-enter Thailand you will be given permission to stay for another year. (2nd year).

However note your O-A Visa has now expired along with the multi entry facility.

If you intend to exit/re-enter any time during this 2nd year you must purchase a re-entry permit from Immigration to keep your permission to stay valid when re-entering. Single entry 1,000 baht, multi entry 3,000 baht.

You must continue to make 90 day reports.

[Travelighlty]

Lite Beer, I'm more of a heavy dark German brew myself, but that said, why the need for a border run if you're reporting every 90 days? I understand if you leave the country before the 90 days, the clock starts anew for another 90 days and you don't even need report (do that in lieu of reporting). I'm American. Evidently we don't need to apply out of the country for the O-A visa. I got mine right hear in beautiful downtown Chiang Mai–well, out at Promanada anyhoo. 

[Lite Beer]

3 minutes ago, Travelighlty said:

Lite Beer, I'm more of a heavy dark German brew myself, but that said, why the need for a border run if you're reporting every 90 days? I understand if you leave the country before the 90 days, the clock starts anew for another 90 days and you don't even need report (do that in lieu of reporting). I'm American. Evidently we don't need to apply out of the country for the O-A visa. I got mine right hear in beautiful downtown Chiang Mai–well, out at Promanada anyhoo. 

You said you had a Non Imm O Visa. This requires leaving the country every 90 days and not reporting.

You wont get a Non Imm O-A Visa in Chiang Mai.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, Travelighlty said:

Lite Beer, I'm more of a heavy dark German brew myself, but that said, why the need for a border run if you're reporting every 90 days? I understand if you leave the country before the 90 days, the clock starts anew for another 90 days and you don't even need report (do that in lieu of reporting). I'm American. Evidently we don't need to apply out of the country for the O-A visa. I got mine right hear in beautiful downtown Chiang Mai–well, out at Promanada anyhoo. 

You wrote you had a non-o visa which only allows 90 day entries to the country.

You did not get a OA visa at immigration in Chiang Mai. You applied for and were issued a one year extension of stay based upon retirement. Look at the stamp they did in your passport.

[JackThompson]

10 minutes ago, Travelighlty said:

Evidently we don't need to apply out of the country for the O-A visa. I got mine right hear in beautiful downtown Chiang Mai–well, out at Promanada anyhoo. 

It would appear you have a 1-year extension of stay - not a visa - so you can apply for another year using the same type of documentation as you used the last time. 

It is best to apply 30-days before your current permission-of-stay expires, so you have plenty of time to deal with any surprises.

[Travelighlty]

Yes, it is an "O" visa. 

Here is what the Embassy had to say about those:
Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O” may be granted to applicants who meet one of the following requirements:
        (1)  Applicants who are lawfully married to a Thai citizen
        (2)  Dependents of a foreigner currently working or studying full-time in Thailand
        (3) Volunteers or applicants who work for a non-governmental organization (NGO)

I am none of those. The stamp has "Non-O  Retirement".

 

[Lite Beer]

If you  have a "O" Visa you should have been doing border runs every 90 days.

[JackThompson]

1 minute ago, Travelighlty said:

Yes, it is an "O" visa. 

Here is what the Embassy had to say about those:
Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O” may be granted to applicants who meet one of the following requirements:
        (1)  Applicants who are lawfully married to a Thai citizen
        (2)  Dependents of a foreigner currently working or studying full-time in Thailand
        (3) Volunteers or applicants who work for a non-governmental organization (NGO)

I am none of those. The stamp has "Non-O  Retirement".

 

If you got it at Promenada for 1-year, it is an "extension of stay" issued by Thai Immigration, not a "visa" issued at a Thai-Consulate in another country by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 

Some of the terminology is similar - "Non-O based on Retirement" can apply to both Visas and Extensions of Stay.

 

If you recall what you had to submit at Chang Mai Immigration last time - it will be close to the same thing, only with updated financial-proofs.

[Travelighlty]

During the time I had the visa, I was actually out of the country most that time. This will be the first run I would have missed. A 5,000 Baht fine? Hopefully they won't be kicking me out of Thailand.

 

[Lite Beer]

For overstay the fine is 500 Baht a day.

Plus a ban if you overstay over 90 days.

 

We still have no idea what you actually have in your passport.

Can you upload a photo?

[rodknock]

i do not understand how some one would move to a country and have no conception of the laws and rules for staying there!!!

[Travelighlty]

54 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

 

 

[ubonjoe]

That is the entry stamp from a non immigrant visa visa (category O) you applied for at immigration and the one year extension of the 90 day entry you got from it.

[Lite Beer]

So. 30 days before your extension expires you apply for a 12 month extension the same as you did last year. 

 

Did you have a Re  Entry Permit when leaving the country.?

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

That is the entry stamp from a non immigrant visa visa (category O) you applied for at immigration and the one year extension of the 90 day entry you got from it.

The photo has been removed, but I'm guessing the OP did a conversion from a TV or Visa exempt entry to a Non O then a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

Would that be a correct assumption?

 

Next question OP is what is your permission to stay date?

[ubonjoe]

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

The photo has been removed, but I'm guessing the OP did a conversion from a TV or Visa exempt entry to a Non O then a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

You don't really apply for a conversion it is applying for a non immigrant visa for all intents and purposes.

With a tourist visa entry you apply for a change of visa status but in reality it is a visa application.

I was doing my post while he removed the pic. It showed a 90 day non-o visa entry stamp done by immigration. And a extension stamp valid until February of this year.

[JackThompson]

 

@Travelighlty - you probably had to make 2 trips last time for the Non-O 90-day portion, then another application, months later, for the 12-mo extension. This year, you only have to repeat the last step - for the 12-mo extension - so it will be easier than the first time.

[buick]

i wonder if the OP used an agent to assist with his non O and extension of stay.  that might explain some of the confusion.  i don't have any experience with CM immigration but isn't that the office with long queues beginning before the sun comes up ? 

[peter124]

Hello, not sure if this is the right part of the Forum but here goes, I have just renewed my extension of stay for a further 365 days, that plus remainder of current permission to stay takes me to the 22nd February 2019. My current UK Passport expires on 1st July 2020, when I asked the Immigration Officer if I would be able to do a further extension of stay renewal for 365 days in January/February 2019, taking me to 22nd February 2020 he said no, your Passport will have expired. They were very busy, I had a bad cold and did not want to argue. Now does anyone have any advice to offer, I know a Passport should have a minimum of 6 months validity to allow travel, is this what was meant.

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, peter124 said:

My current UK Passport expires on 1st July 2020, when I asked the Immigration Officer if I would be able to do a further extension of stay renewal for 365 days in January/February 2019, taking me to 22nd February 2020 he said no, your Passport will have expired.

I think he misunderstood you or he thought you were asking about your application in 2020.

You could do your extension in 2019 but in 2020 you will need a new passport or your extension will only be valid until the date your passport expires in July.

[nasa123]

Tm 7 Adobe:

 

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