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Road carnage: January death toll goes through the roof


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Let's hear a breakdown on these figures, Speed, Drunks, Unsafe, Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles, and how many were wearing helmets.  And well by provinces also would be good as well. And then we can keep on working on it.  Still, not at all a good figure on the face of it though.

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9 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

Let's hear a breakdown on these figures, Speed, Drunks, Unsafe, Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles, and how many were wearing helmets.  And well by provinces also would be good as well. And then we can keep on working on it.  Still, not at all a good figure on the face of it though.

Helmets only work at low speeds in a collision. Hitting an unmoving object at 60kph would probably cause death despite the best helmet in the world. The problem as I see it is speed where it is unsafe ( speed is fine on good roads with good visibility and little traffic ), and dangerous overtaking. That can only be solved with education. If fines worked, there would not be a single incident of speeding in my home country.

Education is up to the Thai authorities.

I'd also like to see every mangled vehicle displayed prominently as a reminder.

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The latest figures I found after a brief search shows that in one month Thailand had nearly as many road deaths as the UK did in an entire year, with similar population numbers.

 

Provisional estimates on personal injury accidents on public roads in Great Britain, for the year ending June 2017.

Reported road casualties, compared with year ending June 2016 show:

  • a decrease of 5% in road deaths to 1,710

In 2016 just under 180,000 were injured, a figure Thailand can match in a bad week, certainly in a month.

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While I do agree a better police presence might be a good idea but I have seen drivers, motorbikes jump red lights at major intersections where police are present (albeit in their little Sun shelter). Until there are heavier fines or even jail sentence plus driving ban, things won't change.

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40 minutes ago, WHYWHY said:

Maybe its time the Powers that Be start being Powers.

Not worrying about other stuff 

Grow a Pair and start looking at this Serious Problem 

Get out their and Police not taking kick backs do your job if in law enforcement.

Start looking for Selutions get your heads out of your a-- 

Look at other countries tail gateting is Illegal in most countries 

Over taking unless safe to do so illegal 

Using Mobile Phones illegal 

How about changing road speeds instead of one constant Speed Fast and Don't care

 

In Australia you get fined $ 372 and lose 3 demerit points just for

holding your mobile whilst driving

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44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

will go out of my way to avoid the busy single carriageway roads

You'd have to add a lot of kms to your journey trying to get to Uttaradit from Lampang without using the very dangerous two lane road. They are widening it but won't be dual carriageway the entire distance for decades.

 

BTW, the most dangerous U turn, probably on the planet, is on the dual carriageway between Lamphun and Lampang.

YES the u turns of death,with three or four pickups/cars lined up together,nudging into the fast lane.

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Having lived and driven in Thailand for getting on for 20 years, I have no doubt that Thai driving is some of the worst in the world. However, to me that does not completely explain the carnage. 

 

For the last 6 months or so I have been working in Mumbai, and I'd say the driving skills and lack of respect for traffic laws are not much different to Thailand. I've seen numerous cars/motorcycles/bicycles weaving in and out of traffic, going the wrong way on roads, jumping red lights etc. etc., not so different from where I live in Bangkok, all told.

 

BUT: I have not seen one single accident so far, not even a small fender bender!

 

The two key differences I have noticed:

1. When there are cops around (not so often, but more often than in Bangkok) The drivers obey the traffic rules - all of them!

2. Indian drivers have consideration for safety, both their own and other peoples. When one of the (very frequent) idiot driving episodes occurs, there is a huge amount of horn-blowing and arm waving, but they ALWAYS make sure they do their best to avoid an accident (or injury).

 

Giving way happens all of the time - ABSOLUTELY NONE of the mindless 'I MUST GO FIRST' or 'GET OUT OF MY WAY' attitude that is (in my opinion) as much/more of a cause of the carnage as the complete lack of driving skills of your average Thai.

  

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2 minutes ago, Pattaya28 said:

Again incorrect stats... if the reported official stat is 22,000 road deaths a year, this stat is well below the average, therefore not correct. 

 Quite.

 

Having experienced a certain buzz at being "Numbah one" they are now desperately back peddling-honesty never being their strong suit-but 30,000 seems near enough.

 

There are absolutely NO REWARDS for honesty in the kingdom of the blind.

 

 

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17 hours ago, PatOngo said:

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Actually, he could not have predicted and planned for an eruption 10,000 km away, could he? There was no weather app in 1815, btw! LOL (And "you" (TV members)  thought you know it all!)

 

But, we digress!

 

I think we need to have some kind of analysis about when and how these accidents take place and why. I would be astounded if they were happening at 9 a.m. on a weekday, for instance! Ah! There are police checks, but everyone feel they can avoid them. Social network anyone? Competing with road safety is the vendors of alcohol in restaurants (and the govn't tax revenues). Are govn't "solliloquies" bringing people to drinking more? LOL Therein lies the issue. What are the incentives for all parties involved to change?

 

I believe that it would take a generation or two to remove these bad habits from the culture, at best. No govn't programs is going to make a dent in any of it in a few months. Still, the trend is distressing. The problem is that many believe that drinking-and-driving is okay, that they can handle it, that they know their limit. The true alcoholic always does, but in truth he does not know or care. There are many alcoholics here. We should be fair though. There are alcoholics in all countries. Still it seems that drinking to get drunk is popular here (too). Still, anti-smoking programs in some countries were successful. It is possible to do it with alcoholism. It would demand excellence in teaching (a govn't program that is based on sound pedagogy and persuasion techniques) and it would take a number of reforms and services (Is a life worth a tuk-tuk ride? What if the restaurant had to pay it? What if police was forcing restaurants to act responsibly). Unfortunately, there are other bigger issues. Amazing Thailand! It is all amazing. Make-belief. Ultimately, it would take intelligent planning to offset revenue losses. Are the people in charge really experts or have they just paid for their status or their badges? Are they accountable? How? Have any heads rolled (metaphorically)? Is there anyone who will ever take the keys off someone hands? All this losing face culture has to go, but that is so ingrained. With cars having cameras and everyone having phones, maybe we should reward people who catch those bad drivers in the act. Fear of retaliation seems to be the other side of that losing face culture. The culture must change. It starts when they are young. It will take one or two generations, if it ever happens. 

 

I read the Chinese and the Indians are trying to address their smoking issues. It is a bit late, but they are doing something about it. Don't expect blue skies in Beijing tomorrow though. Oh! They are building a lot of nuclear power plants. I would prefer cleaner, renewables. In the meantime,... In the mean time,...

 

 

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15 hours ago, Thian said:

In Europe there are undercover cops in cars who also have videocams at all sides. If you drive too close to another car or stay on the fast lane when the slow lane is empty they will give you a huge fine...for speeding they have camera's littery everywhere, the ticket will come to your home. They also use cars with computerequipment who can read licenseplates and check if the car is insured or checked for safety yearly.

 

They also register the licenseplate and do it again after 50 km or so, they then calculate the travelled speed over that distance and will send a fine if necessary.

 

There's no way to do drive like a Thai in Europe, you'll get stopped by police within 10 minutes...and there's no way to bribe them at all. When they stop you for an offence they also check the whole car if all is working properly, if not more fines are written.

 

What you see on the Thai roads every day is unbelievable for the Europeans. It can be a primetime tv=show for them to watch Thai traffic.

 

I really can't understand why Thailand let this all happen, they do have police but they won't do their job...and even a big general can't fix that.

Soon the whole world will make jokes about driving like a Thai...and they totally deserve it.

 

As I recall, if the cops didn't stop an errant driver then another one driver would; probably to punch the crap outta the errant one. More than one way to teach as lesson - some think. lol 

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17 hours ago, gunderhill said:

Excellent  news, well done Junta, well done Thailand, but basically well done Thai People.

It is interesting that they are worried about their shrinking population, especially young people, and they do nothing to stop the carnage.  They do pay for your child being born though 

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 Get rid of tinted widows, ecclesiastical nick-knacks dangling from rear view mirrors , windscreen and rear window stickers of all sorts blocking the drivers view . Rear view mirrors for all motorcycles and only two persons with helmets, on the bike. Road safety instruction in all schools. Better signage at roundabouts well before the roundabout and not on the roundabout ! The reason for the double and broken yellow road makings must be made clear. 

A 15 second TV road safety 'advert' should be shown with clips of idiot drivers and riders ... and the crash results including the mangled and lifeless bodies .

(The TV  road safety tips should not shown during the PM's weekly chat because very few watch it !!)

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17 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

same as a jumbo jet crashing every week of the year killing all on board- mai pen rai, they seem incapable of doing the most obvious things to change it. Apart from the usual stupidity why do they feel the need to be constantly changing lanes? sometimes every few hundred yards.

Far too many do NOT change lanes. They just stay put in the outside lane of dual carriagways, clear ahead.

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Road carnage in LOS lies squarely on the shoulders who are paid to police it...Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo question....Those who control the road BiB on the ground need to be asked some questions as to why their troops ain't out there...:sad:

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21 minutes ago, Humpy said:

 Get rid of tinted widows, ecclesiastical nick-knacks dangling from rear view mirrors , windscreen and rear window stickers of all sorts blocking the drivers view . Rear view mirrors for all motorcycles and only two persons with helmets, on the bike. Road safety instruction in all schools. Better signage at roundabouts well before the roundabout and not on the roundabout ! The reason for the double and broken yellow road makings must be made clear. 

A 15 second TV road safety 'advert' should be shown with clips of idiot drivers and riders ... and the crash results including the mangled and lifeless bodies .

(The TV  road safety tips should not shown during the PM's weekly chat because very few watch it !!)

Yes you are right but this is Thailand,western ideas have no value over here.I gave up on trying our kind of logic here,it does not make sense to them.

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1 minute ago, transam said:

Road carnage in LOS lies squarely on the shoulders who are paid to police it...Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo question....Those who control the road BiB on the ground need to be asked some questions as to why their troops ain't out there...:sad:

Sir,i can only partly agree,until the people start caring about their own lives nothing will change.

 

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16 hours ago, wotsdermatter said:

While Thailand has a poor record other countries do not necessarily fare better, regardless of reports from worldwide agencies.

BS Look at the statistics. They speak for themselves. Road Safety Management in Thailand is an utter disgrace. They have the highest rates of road death and road trauma in the world. 

 

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11 minutes ago, jvs said:

Sir,i can only partly agree,until the people start caring about their own lives nothing will change.

 

Folk in LOS must be pointed in the right direction to see where they are going wrong by those who are supposed to show them via fines and accountability.....The West has had to do that...

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1 hour ago, EnlightenedAtheist said:

Actually, he could not have predicted and planned for an eruption 10,000 km away, could he? There was no weather app in 1815, btw! LOL (And "you" (TV members)  thought you know it all!)

 

But, we digress!

 

I think we need to have some kind of analysis about when and how these accidents take place and why. I would be astounded if they were happening at 9 a.m. on a weekday, for instance! Ah! There are police checks, but everyone feel they can avoid them. Social network anyone? Competing with road safety is the vendors of alcohol in restaurants (and the govn't tax revenues). Are govn't "solliloquies" bringing people to drinking more? LOL Therein lies the issue. What are the incentives for all parties involved to change?

 

I believe that it would take a generation or two to remove these bad habits from the culture, at best. No govn't programs is going to make a dent in any of it in a few months. Still, the trend is distressing. The problem is that many believe that drinking-and-driving is okay, that they can handle it, that they know their limit. The true alcoholic always does, but in truth he does not know or care. There are many alcoholics here. We should be fair though. There are alcoholics in all countries. Still it seems that drinking to get drunk is popular here (too). Still, anti-smoking programs in some countries were successful. It is possible to do it with alcoholism. It would demand excellence in teaching (a govn't program that is based on sound pedagogy and persuasion techniques) and it would take a number of reforms and services (Is a life worth a tuk-tuk ride? What if the restaurant had to pay it? What if police was forcing restaurants to act responsibly). Unfortunately, there are other bigger issues. Amazing Thailand! It is all amazing. Make-belief. Ultimately, it would take intelligent planning to offset revenue losses. Are the people in charge really experts or have they just paid for their status or their badges? Are they accountable? How? Have any heads rolled (metaphorically)? Is there anyone who will ever take the keys off someone hands? All this losing face culture has to go, but that is so ingrained. With cars having cameras and everyone having phones, maybe we should reward people who catch those bad drivers in the act. Fear of retaliation seems to be the other side of that losing face culture. The culture must change. It starts when they are young. It will take one or two generations, if it ever happens. 

 

I read the Chinese and the Indians are trying to address their smoking issues. It is a bit late, but they are doing something about it. Don't expect blue skies in Beijing tomorrow though. Oh! They are building a lot of nuclear power plants. I would prefer cleaner, renewables. In the meantime,... In the mean time,...

 

 

I've been here for a generation and I think (honestly) they've degressed.

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