Popular Post isaanbanhou Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: Conservative = quote facts and figures (pragmatic realists). Liberal = ignore the facts and personal insults (slaves to fashion and ideology). Teerak, get me my brown shirt, I am going out with my mates. Oh and Teerak, remember when my mates are around, you are my housekeeper otherwise they won t let me go to the whites only rally we are having in Lakemba. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, isaanbanhou said: Teerak, get me my brown shirt, I am going out with my mates. Oh and Teerak, remember when my mates are around, you are my housekeeper otherwise they won t let me go to the whites only rally we are having in Lakemba. more insults - is that all you libs have got? no logical well-formed dialogue supporting an opinion? silly questions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGW Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 Sure this will be well covered by those bastions of democracy the BBC & CNN! Just having a laugh 555 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: not an insult - statement of facts gained by a quick check of your previous posts. all you seem to do is insult Thais, Junta and anyone who disagrees. maybe I missed some?? Which Thais do I insult, exactly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupooey Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, mommysboy said: What song? It's Only Just Begun (Solution) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrmicbkktxl Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said: It's actually much better than the Yingluck regime or her brothers. Really?You probably not Thai.If we had FREE elections tomorrow,Yingluk or Thaksin would win with 70-80%. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) What happened to people of "The Land of the Frees?" "Mr. Prayuth, can you hear the people's voices?" shouted another protestor. Edited February 11, 2018 by jenny2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, baboon said: Which Thais do I insult, exactly? any thai that agrees with the junta taking power (there are much much more than you think) bot all thais agree with your missus - some agree with mine. but you do spend 90% insulting the Junta - granted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: but you do spend 90% insulting the Junta - granted You say that like it's a bad thing... 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, FreddieRoyle said: The people have been so patient it's incredible. This latest Somyot and Prawit corruption megascandals - and the obscene handling of them - are yet another kick in the teeth for the average Thai. Time for elections is now, the army government has totally failed. elections? maybe another coup is more likely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, baboon said: You say that like it's a bad thing... got me with that one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ELVIS123456 said: you have issues dont you ? try another approach to life. be conservative in all things. you love "triggering" and you know what Thais want from 8000 km away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: you love "triggering" and you know what Thais want from 8000 km away. So he doesn't even live here? Well, that explains a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, isaanbanhou said: you love "triggering" and you know what Thais want from 8000 km away. What is this "triggering"? Not some deviant sexual activity I hope... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Becker said: Gotta love the guys who claim to know what large parts of the Thai population thinks and at the same time they support a military junta that does not want the people to voice their opinions either through voting or freedom of exoression. You have got to admire that kind of reality disconnect! "You have got to admire pity that kind of reality disconnect!" I thought a correction was in order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: Conservative = quote facts and figures (pragmatic realists). Liberal = ignore the facts and personal insults (slaves to fashion and ideology). Facts such as corruption has increased since the coup, elections have been promised "next year" every year since the coup, freedom of speech, press and association are still banned, the protests were dying of apathy when the military staged a coup to prevent an election.... Are those the kind of facts you are referring to? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 44 minutes ago, ginjag said: Since when have you been the judge to say who is or isn't? Because I hated the PTP and the Thaksin lot did not qualify me to being a PM lover. With you being new, how would you know ?? changed your name ??? I'm not new, and I know you defended the junta tooth and nail, using everything except facts and logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 58 minutes ago, Curmudgeon1 said: I think the military has served the people well,as interim government. They've been up against the systemic corrupt bureaucracy that's been the nemesis of this countries potential(that's including their own corruption). Yes, they've only scratched the surface, but have demonstrated that the resolution of rehabilitating their systems will take decades. Stacking the Senate is a good move as the average Thai is not sophisticated enough, not to be fooled to vote for one who promises the shiniest object. Hopefully it will be a deterrent when illogical programs like the "rice deal", and incompetent leaders like Yingluk endorse policies that make a select few (ThaiChai) richer at the price of future Thai generations.Imo IMO, Prayut never wanted to be leader, but at his age realized he was called upon by fate. He had two choices. Make a difference or cash in......I believe he chose the former. Of course people are maneuvered as pawns to protest by those who miss having their hand in the bank....I just hope that the new constitution will have enough checks n balances to protect the Thai people. Shortly after the coup people just posted "Prayut is a good man". Now that that has been proven false, they have to use many more words. They're still not convincing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said: Yes they are serious hasnl - and with no real idea what they are talking about. Liberals think democracy is good and monarchy/military is bad, because they were taught that at school. Despite the fact that Democracy is often not the best form of Govt for some people (Sth Africa, Zimbabwe, Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan, most of Africa, etc). And you can add so many other countries that are 'stuck' in a form of Democracy that never raises the living standards of the majority of citizens - only for those that have gained control over the democratic processes - through bribery and corruption. A few hundred 'activated' anarchists and liberal academics, does not a summer make. And I wonder who activated the malcontents? Of course it would be those whose power has been diluted ever since the military took over - yet again. The history of Thailand is not a peaceful democracy crushed by the military - it is a history of monarchy and military control - especially when the democracies devolved (yet again) into a state of corruptuon and chaos that threatened lives and the livelihood of everyone. I can still remember when 'they' said Idi Amin and Gaddahfi and Sadam Hussein and so many other military rulers were bad and evil and if we remove them and give the people Democracy that will make the country a Utopia and all will be good and nice. So how has it gone in all those countries? Correct - they are worse than before and millions are fleeing and wars are still going etc etc etc. Reality my dear liberals is what works - democracy is not the cure-all panacea you were told. There are so many examples of democracy failing the people, and the vast majority are where 3rd world people have been given (usually by force) what they are not ready to live with, by well meaning but ignorant western fools and charlatans. The military in Thailand will hand over 'power' to the elected members of a democratic government (not to the people) when they decide that what changes they have put in place will stop the resurgence of the red versus yellow violence that lead to their current coup. Remember it was the military that took away the unfetted power of the monarchy - it was not democracy. But, but, but....sometimes democracy goes bad! Military rule always goes bad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: you love "triggering" and you know what Thais want from 8000 km away. sitting in isaan waiting for the missus and having a great time 'talking' with libs who have no idea what they are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said: I have a feeling it's gonna take more than "100s"... "100s" they can accommodate in jail, "1000s" might be tougher :) For every protester there are hundreds, probably thousands that agree. These people are brave. Very heartening to see. Considering Thai culture especially. I'm impressed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Quote "Peaceful expression is the right of every citizen ... I strongly disagree with the actions of the police and those in power to try to impose ... charges against the groups," Phumtham Wechayachai, the party's secretary-general, said in an open letter on Monday. YES THIS! <3 <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think the military has served the people well,as interim government. They've been up against the systemic corrupt bureaucracy that's been the nemesis of this countries potential(that's including their own corruption). Yes, they've only scratched the surface, but have demonstrated that the resolution of rehabilitating their systems will take decades. Stacking the Senate is a good move as the average Thai is not sophisticated enough, not to be fooled to vote for one who promises the shiniest object. Hopefully it will be a deterrent when illogical programs like the "rice deal", and incompetent leaders like Yingluk endorse policies that make a select few (ThaiChai) richer at the price of future Thai generations.Imo IMO, Prayut never wanted to be leader, but at his age realized he was called upon by fate. He had two choices. Make a difference or cash in......I believe he chose the former. Of course people are maneuvered as pawns to protest by those who miss having their hand in the bank....I just hope that the new constitution will have enough checks n balances to protect the Thai people.You mean shiny things like the 100 billion bht Thai Niyom scheme that the junta just pushed through? Yes, lucky that illogical populist schemes by incompetent leaders have been stopped...Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELVIS123456 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 will someone give me some logical and coherent thoughts to support their opinion that the junta is bad and democracy is good. i have given just a few examples of countries where military/monarchy was replaced by a democracy and it has been a disaster. the past is a great predictor for the future, and is a far better test than "my teacher told me it was so". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ELVIS123456 said: sitting in isaan waiting for the missus and having a great time 'talking' with libs who have no idea what they are talking about Clearly you believe that liberals are people who support democracy and conservatives are people who support military rule. Are you sure all conservatives want to be characterized in such an ugly manner? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, heybruce said: I'm not new, and I know you defended the junta tooth and nail, using everything except facts and logic. Sorry Democracy lover, if you call Thaksin regime democracy. Drugs --buying off electorate-- amnesty-- running the job from Dubai, with his sister not even able to govern--then the rice--tablets for every kid-------we do not have to go there again. Red army taking over BKK. I was happy when Yingluck was got rid of and her corrupt cabnet. The army was near the best alternative, as a snap election ordered by Thaksin to get Yingluck back to pull his strings. Then we have to compare your interpretation that the PM is gagging the people---Just remember when Thaksin controlled Thai Rak Thai---all the TV -media, so elections are not an answer everytime--but it's nice to say elections for democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ELVIS123456 said: will someone give me some logical and coherent thoughts to support their opinion that the junta is bad and democracy is good. i have given just a few examples of countries where military/monarchy was replaced by a democracy and it has been a disaster. the past is a great predictor for the future, and is a far better test than "my teacher told me it was so". Allow me to repeat myself. 11 minutes ago, heybruce said: Facts such as corruption has increased since the coup, elections have been promised "next year" every year since the coup, freedom of speech, press and association are still banned, the protests were dying of apathy when the military staged a coup to prevent an election.... Are those the kind of facts you are referring to? Your examples of countries that were better off under military rule specifically mentioned Idi Amin, Ghadafi, and Saddam Hussein. Libya may be an outlier, but I'm confident the majority of people in Uganda and Iraq don't want their tyrants back. Every stable and prosperous democracy in the world was at one time under military or monarchy rule. There may be exceptions, but I can't think of any. Democracy isn't a sure thing, but it has better odds than military rule. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupooey Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said: got me with that one Of course it's obvious - whoever has the biggest guns should be the criterion for holding power in every country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, ginjag said: "Sorry Democracy lover, if you call Thaksin regime democracy..................................... I didnt know Thaksin had declared his candidacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashmodha Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I have a feeling it's gonna take more than "100s"... "100s" they can accommodate in jail, "1000s" might be tougher :)Why don't they have a referendum?Sent from my HUAWEI LUA-L21 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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