UK threatens to cut off aid cash to charities after Oxfam sex report

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, CharlesSwann said:

 

It's truer to say that prostitutes exploit their customers. They are certainly exploiting human nature. That's their business, and every business wants customers.

Could not disagree more. 

[CharlesSwann]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Something you both, and those who have posted similar views, have missed is that reportedly many of the prostitutes involved were underage! 

 

You choose to believe the rumour because the rumour provides justification for your concoted outrage.

I choose not to believe the rumour because the rumour provdes justification for your concocted outrage.

[CharlesSwann]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Could not disagree more. 

You disagree that it's human nature? I guess not everyone lives on your post-human planet.

In any case, it's their business - their living - so it's not for you to disagree.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, CharlesSwann said:

You disagree that it's human nature? I guess not everyone lives on your post-human planet.

In any case, it's their business - their living - so it's not for you to disagree.

To a moderately intelligent person, I would think it was obvious I was referring to who I believe is being exploited and who is being exploited...

 

It’s not that hard to work out. 

[overherebc]

On 12/02/2018 at 1:56 AM, colinneil said:

Long past time the UK government stopped giving money to so-called major charities.

All they are is money making machines for a handful of folk getting  over paid, big fat salaries.

Of every 100 pounds donated to most charities only about 5% ever finds its way to helping the people it was supposed to help.

Said on tv before and I'll say it again, The Salvation Army in UK is the only one I'll put my hand in my pocket for.

[Khun Han]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

Please don't imply he was referring to the prostitutes being underaged. Dishonest posting from your side.

 

Allegations have been made that underage prostitutes were used. Aid work has an established history of attracting paedophiles. Dunroaming was very keen to dismiss the paedophile aspect of this story, bizarrely claiming that it's veracity would be difficult to check (why?). Just let sleeping dogs lie, eh? 

[overherebc]

16 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Allegations have been made that underage prostitutes were used. Aid work has an established history of attracting paedophiles. Dunroaming was very keen to dismiss the paedophile aspect of this story, bizarrely claiming that it's veracity would be difficult to check (why?). Just let sleeping dogs lie, eh? 

 

Allegations usually start with 'someone I know said' etc etc. As soon as the television/press hear that it very quickly turns into 'reports of xxx are coming from xxx.'

People are already found guilty before a real investigation gets going, but, it sells advertising space. If in the event of all reports some are found guilty then fine, but, those who are innocent and have been dragged into it and go free will have the label 'it seems some of them got away with it.' They may still have lost family and future but by that time the media doesn't give a sh-t. They are chasing the next rumour so they can sell more advertising space.

 

[simple1]

43 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Said on tv before and I'll say it again, The Salvation Army in UK is the only one I'll put my hand in my pocket for.

Each to their own. Unfortunately Salvation Army members have been convicted of child sexual abuse in the UK and Australia. Many years ago I was homeless and living on the streets in London for a while, loathed the people. My Thai wife recently briefly worked as a volunteer here in Australia, treated poorly. - wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

[overherebc]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Each to their own. Unfortunately Salvation Army members have been convicted of child sexual abuse in the UK and Australia. Many years ago I was homeless and living on the streets in London for a while, loathed the people. My Thai wife recently briefly worked as a volunteer here in Australia, treated poorly. - wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

Sad to hear and not sure how to answer.

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Sad to hear and not sure how to answer.

Yes, it's a very challenging issue. IMO Sally Ann should stick to the basics. As a starter not permitted to operate any facilities for children; stop trying to convert people to Christianity. Documented and enforced by legislation to report any past, current and future form of abuse by their members and any others in their orbit

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Allegations have been made that underage prostitutes were used. Aid work has an established history of attracting paedophiles. Dunroaming was very keen to dismiss the paedophile aspect of this story, bizarrely claiming that it's veracity would be difficult to check (why?). Just let sleeping dogs lie, eh? 

Again dishonest post. 

[7by7]

4 hours ago, CharlesSwann said:

23 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Something you both, and those who have posted similar views, have missed is that reportedly many of the prostitutes involved were underage! 

You choose to believe the rumour because the rumour provides justification for your concoted outrage.

I choose not to believe the rumour because the rumour provdes justification for your concocted outrage.

 

Believe what you will; but remember that social workers and others in Rochdale and other UK cities chose to disbelieve similar rumours! 

 

One lesson that those events has, or should have, taught us is that such rumours should not be dismissed out of hand, but instead should be thoroughly investigated.

Edited February 13, 2018 by 7by7

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Again dishonest post. 

 

Nope. And a crude attempt to dismiss it.

[Credo]

I've been in countries where NGO's were very active.   Most are quite reputable and a lot of people put their lives on hold, and on the line to work in these places.   When employees break the law, it is the employee who should be punished, not the charity.   

 

In the Middle East, I know of one where a couple of ladies decided that sun bathing was a nice way to pass the time in and to make matters worse, they decided to sun bathe topless.   Needless to say, a couple of the guards at the facility decided this was an invitation to some extracurricular activities.   Nothing too serious happened, but once again the ladies were seen as victims and the men were in deep, deep doo-doo.   The ladies were not in a private area and were in full site of passers by.   

 

I am sorry but paying for sex is not uncommon, whether it's the rich and famous, members of the clergy or politicians.   

 

I suggest the government do some of it's own housecleaning before it takes on charities.   

 

 

[stephenterry]

9 hours ago, Credo said:

I've been in countries where NGO's were very active.   Most are quite reputable and a lot of people put their lives on hold, and on the line to work in these places.   When employees break the law, it is the employee who should be punished, not the charity.   

 

I am sorry but paying for sex is not uncommon, whether it's the rich and famous, members of the clergy or politicians.   

 

I suggest the government do some of it's own housecleaning before it takes on charities.   

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Stones and glass houses comes to mind.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 8:38 PM, Sir Dude said:

Cut the international aid budget in half (or more) and save the NHS, the police/emergency service and the armed services in one fell swoop....easy.

I have seen mutterings in the media that some want to do just that. No doubt the luvvies will be crying if that happens though.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 8:53 PM, 7by7 said:

 

 

Something you both, and those who have posted similar views, have missed is that reportedly many of the prostitutes involved were underage! 

 

Oxfam workers could face UK prosecution over sex crimes

 

"reportedly" is not proof. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 9:12 PM, stevenl said:

Seems the Oxfam efficiency has improved tremendously.

 

I was on Phuket during and after the tsunami, so closer to Bangla than you were, but didn't visit it, I really didn't have the time.

I saw no aid agencies at all btw.

Phuket is not Khao Lak.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 12:47 AM, Bluespunk said:

I worked as a volunteer for two years with vso. 

 

My reasons for doing so were nothing to do with sexually abusing children or adults. 

 

Neither am I or ever was a “wally” or a spy. 

I don't think the good people of VSO have much in common with the commercially orientated so called charities that depend on huge amounts of government "aid", and are more about the management than the work they do ( or don't do ).

IMO it's time to abandon the "big" charities in favour of more VSO type organisations.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

 

I suggest that if you are going to modify a quote of mine you delete the entire quote, including the heading, and not just the content.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 1:35 AM, johnarth said:

the world is so <deleted> greed has won

 

LOL. Greed won long ago.

 

[the guest]

Never donated, and won't! If I see a hungry person, I give them a sandwich. 

[stephenterry]

UK Government funding overseas is politically motivated, and it is unlikely that these funds would be withdrawn from charities working in disaster and/or conflict zones, whatever their spokewoman says. Funds are used to bring a measure of economic growth and help develop the country - who at some future point will trade with the UK (possibly). That's at one level. Look up OECD for further info on the subject.

[stephenterry]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suggest that if you are going to modify a quote of mine you delete the entire quote, including the heading, and not just the content.

Apologies, can't work out how to do that on here. My bad. 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Credo said:

I am sorry but paying for sex is not uncommon, whether it's the rich and famous, members of the clergy or politicians. 

The only reason the "rich and famous" are not in the news for "P4P" is that they use expensive "escort services" and such like that keep their activities hidden.

The average monger visiting Thailand probably pays as much for their holiday as a rich guy pays for one night with an "escort" service.

[MaeJoMTB]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only reason the "rich and famous" are not in the news for "P4P" is that they use expensive "escort services" and such like that keep their activities hidden.

The average monger visiting Thailand probably pays as much for their holiday as a rich guy pays for one night with an "escort" service.

Hugh Grant was fairly famous.

Charlie Sheen was spending $1+ a year on hookers.

Weinstein had a go or two, although those ladies preferred to be called actresses.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Apologies, can't work out how to do that on here. My bad. 

Use edit function, move mouse to top left corner of quote box, left click on the little cross and use delete key. The entire quote vanishes. No need to delete the content separately.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Hugh Grant was fairly famous.

Charlie Sheen was spending $1+ a year on hookers.

Weinstein had a go or two, although those ladies preferred to be called actresses.

Poor old Hugh. His "adventure" with the American lady was probably his first time walking on the wild side, and undoubtedly his last.

For sure, Hugh never had a problem having a willing ''companion'' for the night ( or any other time of the day ).

I think you mean Charlie was paying $1MILLION a year. Even Charlie wouldn't get one for $1.

[Bluespunk]

10 hours ago, Credo said:

I've been in countries where NGO's were very active.   Most are quite reputable and a lot of people put their lives on hold, and on the line to work in these places.   When employees break the law, it is the employee who should be punished, not the charity.   

 

In the Middle East, I know of one where a couple of ladies decided that sun bathing was a nice way to pass the time in and to make matters worse, they decided to sun bathe topless.   Needless to say, a couple of the guards at the facility decided this was an invitation to some extracurricular activities.   Nothing too serious happened, but once again the ladies were seen as victims and the men were in deep, deep doo-doo.   The ladies were not in a private area and were in full site of passers by.   

 

I am sorry but paying for sex is not uncommon, whether it's the rich and famous, members of the clergy or politicians.   

 

I suggest the government do some of it's own housecleaning before it takes on charities.   

 

 

What exactly were the “extracurricular activities” the guards decided they were invited to do?

 

[CharlesSwann]

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Believe what you will; but remember that social workers and others in Rochdale and other UK cities chose to disbelieve similar rumours! 

 

One lesson that those events has, or should have, taught us is that such rumours should not be dismissed out of hand, but instead should be thoroughly investigated.

 

Hitchens' razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

They can investigate by all means, if they want, but the accusation would be more credible without the accompanying social media sh*t-storm that is very likely responsible for the rumour in the first place.