Australian man killed in brutal Pattaya bar fight identified, American attacker in custody

[gk10002000]

3 hours ago, bangkoken said:

You have no idea what you are talking about. American laws and the breaking of American laws have zero to do what took place in Thailand and what the penalties are for such disgraceful behavior. Hopefully 20 years in a Thai prison should change the perpetrators attitude.

Umm, committing murder anywhere in the world violates American law and he could be prosecuted under American law

[cookieqw]

8 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

With all due respect to the Aussie this American guy must be one strong guy to throw a full grown man across the room and beat him in 20 seconds.. Strong fast and hard. He would scare the jesus out of me.

special forces i expect, lots of them in Patts

[gk10002000]

4 hours ago, rickjza said:

Why are you quoting Amarican law. Who cares about American law, this is Thailand.

RIP fellow Aussie

I am commenting on it because he could be prosecuted under American law, and possibly Australian, and possibly Thai

[rodney earl]

My sympathies go out to the victim. If and when he is found guilty they should enforce the death penalty. There is NO GOD GET A LIFE AND GET OVER IT.!!!

[gk10002000]

7 hours ago, Cancerian said:

American laws alow? <deleted> Well he's not in America so there laws mean shit. He's on thai law time now and I hope the coward rots in a thai jail 

No, the American law could be very pertinent.  He could be prosecuted under American law, and Australian law, and Thai law.  He could possibly be extradited to  Australia or America.  Many things could happen.  Thai law has possession of him at the moment

[gk10002000]

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

Whatever the US laws may say, this yank killed an Australian on Thai soil.  Hope he will rot in prison in Thailand and then burn in hell. Kicking a man's head when he is down is the most despicable act imaginable.  His bloody US friends should get a long time in prison also, for not stopping the idiot, for not helping the victim, leaving him and for making pictures.  Bastards of the lowest order, all of them.

Yes he is on Thai soil, but that does not mean he will stay there.  He might be extradited to Australia, or the USA. 

[cookieqw]

7 hours ago, eggers said:

Mix of alcohol, testosterone & people looking for trouble!! 

happens more in my small town in norfolk UK  than i come across here

[AloisAmrein]

2 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

Another possible vote for eliminating ALL Americans by whatever means possible..

 

Just one criminal American, nothing to do with others. The problem is that some Americans understand themself as world police, just look at the president.

[Sirbergan]

17 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People seem to be forgetting the fight started because the Australian guy was strangling a Thai girl, the report in the Nation says hands around throat and had her off the ground. 

Yes, horrific actions by the American but what is appropriate action/ force to stop someone strangling/killing someone.

If the Australian hadn't died, everyone would be praising the American for saving the Thai girls life.

Knocking him out, then leaving him on the floor would teach him a lesson. That, in some instances, would lead to death too, if you get unlucky. How about just stepping in, defusing the situation?

[Peterw42]

12 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Umm, committing murder anywhere in the world violates American law and he could be prosecuted under American law

Contrary to popular American opinion, America is not the world police, 

American law covers crimes in or against America. They have no jurisdiction over crimes committed in other countries. People return to their home countries to escape prosecution, then the country extradites them back, the home country doesnt charge them..

 

It also violates Uzbekistan Law, can they prosecute as well ?

Edited February 12, 2018 by Peterw42

[Denim]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Duck said:

Perhaps bastardized "catastrophic"

 

Wow.....not much gets past you does it.

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, Sirbergan said:

Knocking him out, then leaving him on the floor would teach him a lesson. That, in some instances, would lead to death too, if you get unlucky. How about just stepping in, defusing the situation?

That may be all that happend, the head stomping hasn't been reported by any reputable source. Even the parent company of Thaivisa , The Nation, says knocked unconscious .

[moe666]

17 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Umm, committing murder anywhere in the world violates American law and he could be prosecuted under American law

Geeze do you make this stuff up, when you travel no matter what country you are from you are subject to the laws of the country you are in. The only people who this may not apply to are military and that is only if they have a forces agreement with the country they are in.

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

That may be all that happend, the head stomping hasn't been reported by any reputable source. Even the parent company of Thaivisa , The Nation, says knocked unconscious .

Yeah  !   Right!   Not!  

[Sirbergan]

1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

That may be all that happend, the head stomping hasn't been reported by any reputable source. Even the parent company of Thaivisa , The Nation, says knocked unconscious .

If that's all it was, I stand corrected, although I would always try to solve a conflict peacefully there are occasions where that's not possible due to the other party being too aggressive. Let's wait and see, if this report is true there is no end to the pain I wish he experiences in the future.

[badischer Barde]

7 hours ago, daoyai said:

I saw the headline mentioning an American and just knew it would bring out this type.  The story is about a crazy violent person, nationality only relevant to bigoted idiots.

very true. It's not only drunk UK and US citizens, but people from all over the world. How often do you read how a drunk Japanese Tourist attacked/kicked/killed  someone?

[Rimmer]

A number of troll posts have been removed

[Peterw42]

16 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Yeah  !   Right!   Not!  

The head stomping, laughing and photos comes from the original Thaivisa thread quoting someones Facebook post.

 

"according to an account from someone who claimed to have seen the incident and posted on the Pattaya 24/7 Facebook group".

 

No Police, media outlet etc has mentioned the head stomping etc. Its been repeated ad nausium on this thread, with 3-4 head stomps being added to each retelling. 

[farq]

10 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

I didn't see a photo so I don't know if the American is ugly or not.   American law allows for holding Americans overseas liable for crimes that are committed there and that break USA laws.  So, depending on the circumstances, lawyers, politicians, etc.  many things could happen to this man.

Ugly or not, he is definitely a brain dead coward and thoroughly deserves whatever miseries happen to him in the prison system!!

[idannyb]

17 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

That may be all that happend, the head stomping hasn't been reported by any reputable source. Even the parent company of Thaivisa , The Nation, says knocked unconscious .

The American -- Jose Manuel Polanco, 42 has been charged with physical assault leading to death. 

The deceased Aussie (43) was Benjamin Matthew Robb. Moments before the altercation, the Aussie (Robb) had  "picked up a waitress by grabbing her neck until her feet were up in the air" ... According to a club regular, "Robb often acted in an aggressive manner and was known by some to be a trouble maker."

The American (Polanco) said he interfered because Robb was throttling the woman. Polanco admits punching Robb "three or four times" but also claims he acted in self defense. 

https://www.dailynews.co.th/regional/626898

[farq]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The head stomping, laughing and photos comes from the original Thaivisa thread quoting someones Facebook post.

 

"according to an account from someone who claimed to have seen the incident and posted on the Pattaya 24/7 Facebook group".

 

No Police, media outlet etc has mentioned the head stomping etc. Its been repeated ad nausium on this thread, with 3-4 head stomps being added to each retelling. 

Shouldn't have been ANY "head stomping" by this cowardly thug! 

[beowolf2012]

Death penalty?

 

[Peterw42]

 

3 minutes ago, farq said:

Shouldn't have been ANY "head stomping" by this cowardly thug! 

Who says there was, its not mentioned anywhere other than an obscure facebook post that everyone keep repeating. 

 

[Dumbastheycome]

Medical  injuries  list including cranial trauma. Suppressed  comment unlikely  not to  contradict  "anecdotal " witness  statements until   all  charges   specified. 

In a  situation  where  drunken  f wits get  out  of self control  there  is  no  innocence   on either side !

But when it  leads  to death it  need   be held  to account !

[simtemple]

10 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Hope those Ugly Americans rot in a filthy Thai jail: the attacker for life, his thug buddies for at least 10 years.

10 years?  You're joking This scumbag should be executed in the same manner he killed his victim.

[Skeptic7]

43 minutes ago, moe666 said:

Geeze do you make this stuff up, when you travel no matter what country you are from you are subject to the laws of the country you are in. The only people who this may not apply to are military and that is only if they have a forces agreement with the country they are in.

This is not always true. Not sure about murder, manslaughter or other crimes, but child porn and sex criminals can be sent back to home countries of USA and Canada and be charged and prosecuted there...where sentences are much harsher.

[lamyai3]

3 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Only FYI...

 

GF reading the story on Thai news website says the Australian victim was choking a Thai girl and the American stepped in to help the damsel in distress and the unfortunate fight ensued.

 

http://www.nationtv.tv/main/content/378602515/

According to auto translate, the perp's name is "Mr Joe the fist" 

[Skeptic7]

Gotta love the Hang 'Em High rush to judgment mob here on TV. The initial story that has been reported may be 100% accurate, but likely not. Many of the original news stories reported that 4 or 5 guys ganged up on Robb...Thai style. Turns out those reports were wrong. Also, other reports say Robb was known as an agressive troublemaker who was choking a girl with feet dangling and acting belligerent towards others.

 

To be crystal...I am NOT trying to justify anything by anybody involved. Just saying that maybe before the TV vigilantes have the accused executed without all the facts...better cooler heads prevail and get all the facts first.

 

Just sayin'! 

[Skeptic7]

14 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

According to auto translate, the perp's name is "Mr Joe the fist" 

Seems the title was well earned...

[hobobo]

10 hours ago, dddave said:

So many times, we never learn the outcome of such deadly encounters.  There is always a suspicion that deals are done.

For instance, 6 or 7 years ago,  a Finnish man was walking his dog on Soi Diana. Some girl in a beer bar ran out and picked up the dog.  Words were exchanged between the girls BF and the Finn...the Finn ended up stabbed to death.  It was big news at the time but then disappeared.  Never learned what happened to the killer.

 

I can think of at least 4 or 5 similar high profile killings, farang on farang or farang on Thai GF that faded away...outcome never known.

It would not surprise me if it happens in this instance as well.

The victim was a New Zealand guy, and the killer a Swede. I left the same bar at around 1.30 am, and the murder occurred between 3.30 am and 4 am. The story resurfaced about 3 years ago when the New Zealand ambassador took an interest, but as I've heard of it second-hand, I will not comment here, it's hearsay.