Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[adammike]

20 minutes ago, aright said:

I think you will find Remainers are a bit sheepish about that.

Do you know how Kiwi's practice safe sex?

They put a cross on the back legs of the ones that kick.

Plenty of new Zealand lamb here in the Netherlands.see some from Northern Ireland now and again.

[aright]

9 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yeah! I'm reet 'ard me ?

Are you the Grouse the girls talk about in Dicks Welcome on Soi 6??

[tebee]

7 minutes ago, adammike said:

Plenty of new Zealand lamb here in the Netherlands.see some from Northern Ireland now and again.

Indeed I see New Zealand lamb in France too - Though it's not hugely popular as it's all frozen and the French, being French, prefer fresh. 

 

So what is stopping it being sold in UK?

[aright]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

Indeed I see New Zealand lamb in France too - Though it's not hugely popular as it's all frozen and the French, being French, prefer fresh. 

 

So what is stopping it being sold in UK?

Nothing it is readily available in the UK

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

So let’s sacrifice those millions of British workers who actually live and work in the U.K. in order that the few who work in the E.U. Can perhaps prosper.

”oh” I nearly forgot, you could also have mentioned how advantages the open boarder policy is, in allowing nearly half a million Romanians and Bulgarians to enter the U.K. in order to either undercut the local workforce or to increase the number of foreign criminals, that we are now plagued with.

So tell me, how are these Great British people who can't compete with a bunch of linguistically challenged East Europeans going to survive when our import barriers are demolished to allow in the cheapest, most hazardous goods the world can offer? Better buy an even bigger TV now while you still can

Edited May 29, 2018 by Grouse

[Grouse]

15 minutes ago, aright said:

Nothing it is readily available in the UK

Try Waitrose

 

[aright]

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Such as being able to prevent China from forcing UK companies to transfer technologies to Chinese counterparts if they want to succeed in China? Dream on!

Why do you think China can force us to do anything? We are an independent country - or at least we will be once we lose the shackles of the EU.

[tebee]

[tomacht8]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

So tell me, how are these Great British people who can't compete with a bunch of linguistically challenged East Europeans going to survive when our import barriers are demolished to allow in the cheapest, most hazardous goods the world can offer? Better buy an even bigger TV now while you still can

Do not ask so difficult questions.

Every brexiteer knows that the Uk is out in 10 months and that afterwards the paradise awaits them.

This is a little bit similar to the case of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Edited May 29, 2018 by tomacht8

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

 

Every brexiteer knows that the Uk is out in 10 months and that afterwards the paradise awaits them.

This is a little bit similar to the case of Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

Except we don’t go round remoaners houses trying to ram the fact down their throats....?

[tomacht8]

17 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Except we don’t go round remoaners houses trying to ram the fact down their throats....?

True. I forgot , what was the name of the sekt with the red bus?

Sorry i only joking.

You should never scoff at the harm of others.

[aright]

Nor the ignorance. Sekt is a sparkling wine.

[malagateddy]

Just perhaps if the PIGS countries..Portugal..Irelsnd..Greece and Spain were not eu members and freedom of movement was based on strict criteria

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[malagateddy]

Apologies
The PIGS countries have little to offer..freedom of movement should have been subject to skills..education..criminal record checks..etc etc.....then Brexit would not have been thought about???
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[The Renegade]

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Apologies
The PIGS countries have little to offer..freedom of movement should have been subject to skills..education..criminal record checks..etc etc.....then Brexit would not have been thought about???
.


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Disagree somewhat.

 

The terminology changed somewhere ( Lisbon Treaty ? ) from

 

'' Free movement of workers '' to '' The free movement of peoples '' 2 very different things.

 

Having said that, criminal records checks at the very least should be compulsory.

[candide]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

Do not ask so difficult questions.

Every brexiteer knows that the Uk is out in 10 months and that afterwards the paradise awaits them.

This is a little bit similar to the case of Jehovah's Witnesses.

You forgot the 72 virgins waiting for each male brexiteer! ?

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, candide said:

You forgot the 72 virgins waiting for each male brexiteer! ?

I hope you have partaken in a substance that has altered your thinking.

 

If not, another post comes along and destroys the myth of highly intelligent remainers.

[tebee]

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

[candide]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why do you think China can force us to do anything? We are an independent country - or at least we will be once we lose the shackles of the EU.

It is what actually is happening now. Trump may be able to avoid it for US firms (my God! I do agree with Trump for once). Do you think small UK will be more convincing?

I can imagine negotiations between small UK and big China: UK representative talking "you give us access to a market of 1.4 billion consumers, and in exchange we give you access to a market of 66 million consumers! But you are not allowed to force British firms to transfer technologies to Chinese firms or to impose any other condition!" Lol. ?

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

It is what actually is happening now. Trump may be able to avoid it for US firms (my God! I do agree with Trump for once). Do you think small UK will be more convincing?

I can imagine negotiations between small UK and big China: UK representative talking "you give us access to a market of 1.4 billion consumers, and in exchange we give you access to a market of 66 million consumers! But you are not allowed to force British firms to transfer technologies to Chinese firms or to impose any other condition!" Lol. ?

 

 

I can understand this coming from a remainer - with the tendency to be subservient and accepting of bad deals for the UK. Thankfully history has proved we can more than punch above our weight.

 

Once we regain control our government will do what's best for the UK - or they will be voted out.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, tebee said:

 

There is around half a million Brits who work in the EU, often in senior or consultant roles. For all of them losing FOM is a very bad deal

 

Who is saying that they will lose their jobs or their freedom of movement?

[aright]

30 minutes ago, tebee said:

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

Please , if you are going to quote figures, give us the totality.

Saying Brexit is great

Add 17 million voters, 461 MP's (84% of the Commons) and a Prime Minister. 

[Orac]

Disagree somewhat.
 
The terminology changed somewhere ( Lisbon Treaty ? ) from
 
'' Free movement of workers '' to '' The free movement of peoples '' 2 very different things.
 
Having said that, criminal records checks at the very least should be compulsory.

The term ‘free movement of people’ was around long before the Lisbon Treaty, indeed it was the first aim stated at the Paris Summit back in 1972 where Edward Heath represented the U.K. as a soon to join member.


“1. The Member States reaffirm their determination to base the development of their Community on democracy, freedom of opinion, the free movement of people and of ideas and participation by their peoples through their freely elected representatives;”

https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/1999/1/1/b1dd3d57-5f31-4796-85c3-cfd2210d6901/publishable_en.pdf


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[malagateddy]

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)
The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury
 
Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

Academics..ever had a real job?
Big business..who live not in the world of the average UK citizen
The Tuc..many union members voted LEAVE
Former PM's..Major..I believe involved with Carlile Group..Blair..imo war criminal and sociopath
World Bank..Legarde..the female who was found guilty in French Court of dodgy financial dealings with a certain Mr Sarcosy..remember him? Yet the high priestess of World Bank laughed as she walked out of court.
No punishment whatsoever
as she's one of the chattering class.
Her old boss D Strausse?? also found out re "financial dodgy dealings"
Imo..they're thinking about their fat bankbook ONLY..
as they do not live the lives of normal UK citizens..Money is no 1 to them..being in the back pocket of likes of Soros..Rothchild's..Goldman Sachs etc etc.

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[CG1 Blue]

8 minutes ago, aright said:

Please , if you are going to quote figures, give us the totality.

Saying Brexit is great

Add 17 million voters, 461 MP's (84% of the Commons) and a Prime Minister. 

Exactly.  And let's not forget, less than 35% of the electorate voted to remain in the EU despite all the fear mongering.

[candide]

31 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I can understand this coming from a remainer - with the tendency to be subservient and accepting of bad deals for the UK. Thankfully history has proved we can more than punch above our weight.

 

Once we regain control our government will do what's best for the UK - or they will be voted out.

The general rule is that the biggest ones have more negotiating power than the smallest ones. It has been verified in most cases over time.

Of course, there are always exceptions to general rules. However, it seems that most arguments for a hard Brexit are based on the assumption that exceptions to general rules will prevail, instead of the generally expected outcome. I can understand that small countries want to believe in exceptions, but what if the big countries don't want to believe in exceptions?

Edited May 29, 2018 by candide

[nontabury]

Meanwhile George Soros with his millions,is backing a campaign to hold another referendum, supported of course by most of the establishment. While in Italy the establishment supported by their masters in Brussels have denied the winners of their recent election, the right to form a government. Instead appointing a former IMF official as the Prime Minister

This is democracy E.U style.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by nontabury

[CG1 Blue]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

The general rule is that the biggest ones have more negotiating power than the smallest ones. It has been verified in most cases over time.

Of course, there are always exceptions to general rules. However, it seems that most arguments for a hard Brexit are based on the assumption that exceptions to general rules will prevail, instead of the generally expected outcome. I can understand that small countries want to believe in exceptions, but what if the big countries don't want to believe in exceptions?

I don't know why you're so keen to label the UK as a small country. We have the world's 5th biggest economy, so that means there are 4 countries above us and 190 countries below us. We have the 3rd largest population in Europe, behind only Russia and Germany.

We're not a small country. Unless you're talking about land mass - which would be pretty pointless in this context.

 

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

It's different this time.  Anyway, we've had enough of people who know what they're talking about, who've read books, who think before they speak.  It's our turn now.

 

Other people being clever never did me any good.  Let's see what happens when we rely on other people being mendacious cretins.