Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, aright said:

I prefer the noisettes but good you could find these!

Edited May 29, 2018 by Grouse

[candide]

27 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I don't know why you're so keen to label the UK as a small country. We have the world's 5th biggest economy, so that means there are 4 countries above us and 190 countries below us. We have the 3rd largest population in Europe, behind only Russia and Germany.

We're not a small country. Unless you're talking about land mass - which would be pretty pointless in this context.

 

I aknowledge I have been excessive. It's significantly small in terms of GDP only compared to the USA, the EU (which not ranked as a country), and soon China. So it will not be small, just "not big",  at least on short term.

[aright]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I prefer the noisettes but good could you could find these!

They are on special this week and they sell all cuts. IMO Welsh lamb is best closely followed by Scottish and English but because the nouveau riche Chinese have developed a taste for lamb most of it goes overseas.  I haven't been in to my local York Waitrose this week . Ken my personal butcher takes care of all my meat needs. He has beautiful blue eyes. Mind you that's the glaucoma. 

[adammike]

2 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Disagree somewhat.

 

The terminology changed somewhere ( Lisbon Treaty ? ) from

 

'' Free movement of workers '' to '' The free movement of peoples '' 2 very different things.

 

Having said that, criminal records checks at the very least should be compulsory.

All EU countries can remove criminals of other EU countries the mainland UK was in a great position to stop criminals at there borders because they are an island no land borders.there was no political will to police the borders.its the UK's fault not the EU's fault.

[beautifulthailand99]

9 hours ago, nontabury said:

It’s possible for those who live in France and for people who work in certain occupations in the U.K.  Unfortunately for the majority of Brits, it’s a very bad deal. But why should you think of others, that’s not what selfish people do.

 

 

YES that sort of thing with ANGRY CAPITALS (pardon the pun that being London or more correctly Londistan!) in the pc parlance of Leave means LEAVE.  When we are all collectively poorer then we will all be happier - now that's another way to look at it #BuddhistBrexit. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Meanwhile George Soros with his millions,is backing a campaign to hold another referendum, supported of course by most of the establishment. While in Italy the establishment supported by their masters in Brussels have denied the winners of their recent election, the right to form a government. Instead appointing a former IMF official as the Prime Minister

This is democracy E.U style.

 

 

 

 

Oh yes that old canard - he (and his mates) control everything apparently...

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/who-is-george-soros-papers-brexit-anti-semitism/

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

All your nominees are proven liars too.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

I aknowledge I have been excessive. It's significantly small in terms of GDP only compared to the USA, the EU (which not ranked as a country), and soon China. So it will not be small, just "not big",  at least on short term.

The EU is not ranked as a country because it's not one - it's just a wannabe empire - watch out! ☠️

[beautifulthailand99]

On 5/27/2018 at 11:31 AM, tebee said:

Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean.......

oh and a strong pound please not some tatty wrung out third world money - I note that prices at the UK Visa centre in Bkk are now quoted in US$ - thanks for that you plucky Brexiteers - an early quick wein for Project Brexit. More  goodies to follow when we TAKE BACK CONTROL.  The shouty flag waving Brexit expats relying on UK pound pensions are a strange group to be sure. When Rees Mogg says bend over they say how far. 

 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

All your nominees are proven liars too.

 

Just you nauseus and your mates then who have the 'magic key' to happiness and success. 

 

Project Leave 

 

1. Vote Leave 

2. Leave (fingers crossed)

3. Kiss Rees-Mogg's golden catholic ring whilst doffing cap and tugging forelock.

4. err that's it (cont on p94). 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

Just you nauseus and your mates then who have the 'magic key' to happiness and success. 

 

Project Leave 

 

1. Vote Leave 

2. Leave (fingers crossed)

3. Kiss Rees-Mogg's golden catholic ring whilst doffing cap and tugging forelock.

4. err that's it (cont on p94). 

Not a response - just what you felt like saying - you r/moaners love to make stuff up, eh?

 

A bit more from Soros, looks like he's changed tack on at least a couple of points:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/29/billionaire-soros-outlines-plan-to-save-europe.html

[The Renegade]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Who is saying that they will lose their jobs or their freedom of movement?

Scared rabbits. ??

 

'' Poor wee timorous beasties

Oh, what a panic is in thy remainer breasties ''

 

Hard to believe that some of the posters on here are in Thailand. It would appear that they need the comfort of the EU to hold their hands and wipe their @rses.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

7 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

Just you nauseus and your mates then who have the 'magic key' to happiness and success. 

 

Project Leave 

 

1. Vote Leave 

2. Leave (fingers crossed)

3. Kiss Rees-Mogg's golden catholic ring whilst doffing cap and tugging forelock.

4. err that's it (cont on p94). 

Is that all that's left in your locker, juvenile taunting and religious prejudice; well you certainly ran out of gas rather quickly, didn't you ?

 

Mind you, it does seem to be a burgeoning trend among remainers

[Eloquent pilgrim]

13 hours ago, tebee said:

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

Saying Brexit is great:

Boris Johnson (proven liar)
Nigel Farage (proven liar)
J Mogg (proven liar)
Steve Baker (proven liar)

Thank you for all of this previously unreleased information, there is nothing quite like hot off the press breaking news, what a scoop   ?

 

You must also be congratulated on the imaginative way in which you have set out your thesis, with such clever use of parentheses, to emphasise your points. We can all learn a lot from your modus operandi

 

You have however, failed to mention some of the most prominent remainers, which would have added a lot more weight to your stunning thesis, so, allow me:

 

Lilly Allen

Bono

David & Victoria Beckham

Nob Geldof

Bobby George (darts legend - I’m getting the hang of these parentheses already)

Eddie Izzard

Barack Obama (golfer)

 

…. and let's not forget that inanely grinning crisp salesman, Lineker

 

My apologies if you have already included any of these under the classification of academics. ?✌️??

[Orac]

Intriguing!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/29/britain-could-rejoin-european-union-brexit-says-jacob-rees-mogg/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect

[The Renegade]

14 minutes ago, Orac said:

Intriguing!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/29/britain-could-rejoin-european-union-brexit-says-jacob-rees-mogg/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect

Quote

 

Britain could rejoin the European Union in the future, Jacob Rees-Mogg has admitted.

Nothing intriguing about it, he is correct. I would not get too hung up on the present tense of  '' European Union '' that is its current name.

 

It if was to revert back to the original Common Market, which was a fantastic idea, I do not think too many people would complain.

 

On its current path of full Monetary and Political union, the EU is actually destroying itself.

[Jip99]

17 hours ago, tebee said:

Saying Brexit will make us poorer:

97%  of academics
ALL of big business (CBI)

The TUC
Every former PM alive
IMF
World Bank
Every major bank
HM Treasury

 

 

 

 

You could have just typed “The establishment” and saved your fingers.

 

 

Please don’t try and claim that there are no liars in your list....

[CG1 Blue]

14 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh yes that old canard - he (and his mates) control everything apparently...

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/who-is-george-soros-papers-brexit-anti-semitism/

George Soros is a speculator.  Effectively a gambling man. A very successful one at that.

 

But always remember, his actions are in the interests of George Soros and his bulging bank account. A fully functioning EU with the UK as a member makes him more money. If the UK leaves, if the Euro weakens, Soros loses money.

 

Never forget:

 

1992; The Trade of the Century: When George Soros Broke the British Pound

 

Soros pocketed $1 billion

 

"I've learned many things from [George Soros], but perhaps the most significant is that it's not whether you're right or wrong, but how much money you make when you're right and how much you lose when you're wrong.” Stanley Druckenmiller, 1994

 

 

[aright]

18 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Nothing intriguing about it, he is correct. I would not get too hung up on the present tense of  '' European Union '' that is its current name.

 

It if was to revert back to the original Common Market, which was a fantastic idea, I do not think too many people would complain.

 

On its current path of full Monetary and Political union, the EU is actually destroying itself.

Absolutely. The truth is our leaving could create the free trade, live and let live, international framework that the European Project was supposed to be all about. 

[tebee]

Oh dear it appears no ones yet thought about how VAT will work after we leave the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7ff44a0c-59e2-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

[dick dasterdly]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Oh dear it appears no ones yet thought about how VAT will work after we leave the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7ff44a0c-59e2-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

One has to pay to read the article.

 

As you've obviously read the article - how will vat change for the uk if it leaves the eu?

[The Renegade]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

Oh dear it appears no ones yet thought about how VAT will work after we leave the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7ff44a0c-59e2-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

Well come on, tell us all about it ?

 

You are aware that VAT is actually an EU tax and does not need to be applicable to the UK once it leaves the EU.

 

The UK Government may continue with VAT as a British Tax, but that would be a whole different discussion.

 

Try using the space between your lugholes constructively and stop flapping over news articles.

[candide]

18 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

George Soros is a speculator.  Effectively a gambling man. A very successful one at that.

 

But always remember, his actions are in the interests of George Soros and his bulging bank account. A fully functioning EU with the UK as a member makes him more money. If the UK leaves, if the Euro weakens, Soros loses money.

 

Never forget:

 

1992; The Trade of the Century: When George Soros Broke the British Pound

 

Soros pocketed $1 billion

 

"I've learned many things from [George Soros], but perhaps the most significant is that it's not whether you're right or wrong, but how much money you make when you're right and how much you lose when you're wrong.” Stanley Druckenmiller, 1994

 

 

Well, it could also be argued that the uncertainties created by Brexit can provide a better playground for hard speculators. The example you give is quite instructive in this respect.

If Soro's opinion reflects its economic interests, it suggests that he is now more interested in conventional and more long-term investment, than in previous wild speculative operations.

[aright]

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

Oh dear it appears no ones yet thought about how VAT will work after we leave the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7ff44a0c-59e2-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

Like others I can't access this article but not to worry we can feel your pleasure through your words.

[Orac]

Well, it could also be argued that the uncertainties created by Brexit can provide a better playground for hard speculators. The example you give is quite instructive in this respect.
If Soro's opinion reflects its economic interests, it suggests that he is now more interested in conventional and more long-term investment, than in previous wild speculative operations.

There will be opportunities for many with capital to invest and move quickly to take advantage of changing conditions for business - people like James Dyson and JRMs Somerset Asset Management.


Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[CG1 Blue]

8 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

 

 

There will be opportunities for many with capital to invest and move quickly to take advantage of changing conditions for business - people like James Dyson and JRMs Somerset Asset Management.


Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

James Dyson is not a market speculator.

Somerset Capital Management are low risk, long term growth specialists. 

 

So I'm not sure what point you're making here.

[CG1 Blue]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, it could also be argued that the uncertainties created by Brexit can provide a better playground for hard speculators. The example you give is quite instructive in this respect.

If Soro's opinion reflects its economic interests, it suggests that he is now more interested in conventional and more long-term investment, than in previous wild speculative operations.

Soros is interested in making money. Long term or short term.

Don't be fooled into thinking his efforts to derail Brexit are for any other reason.

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Soros is interested in making money. Long term or short term.

Don't be fooled into thinking his efforts to derail Brexit are for any other reason.

 

 

Speculators need volatility in the markets to be able to make money.

 

Throwing fuel on the flames of Brexit uncertainty seems an ideal way to achieve those conditions.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Jip99

[tebee]

28 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

One has to pay to read the article.

 

As you've obviously read the article - how will vat change for the uk if it leaves the eu?

Ok I'll give a short precis seeing as how no one else seems to be able to read it.

 

Uk currently collects VAT on all goods sold in this country even if they are delivered to a retail customer in another EU country and visa-versa.

 

Post Brexit the UK wants to continue this, the alternative would be every parcel from the EU would need to be checked on a post office center, then the Post Office would then apply VAT and Import Duty plus their £8 charge  and again we haven't got the infrastructure. 

 

But this leads to a problem, Vat disputes between counties need to be settled  by the ECJ which the UK does not want to recognize. 

 

Even being inside the customs union and solving regulatory alignment doesn’t solve this border problem

 

The choice is infrastructure, ECJ (and EU consent) or massive fraud

[The Renegade]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

The choice is infrastructure, ECJ (and EU consent) or massive fraud

Or just cancel VAT as it is an EU tax and the UK will no longer be part of the EU and will have no reason to charge VAT.

 

Keep trying, you are currently failing miserably.