Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[aright]

7 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

ah, my old friend the school master. How long do you think this government will last and how many of their day dreams will they accomplish ? So tell me about the political stability of Italy.

Italy is not Greece. It is a net contributor to the EU. Italy's old centre-left ruling parties are in a death spiral.

By voting in extreme right wing parties they have rejected the moral claims of the EU. They have not forgotten the EU left them to tackle the migrant crisis on their own after the Balkan route was closed.

Euro sceptic parties will remain in power as long as they fight EU values.

Get used to it the EU's political crisis is mutating.

[The Renegade]

12 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

How long do you think this government will last and how many of their day dreams will they accomplish ? So tell me about the political stability of Italy.

Until the Italian Internal Budget is presented to the European Commission. The Italian Government will then be removed and an EU Puppet Government installed.

 

All in the best interests of Italians of course.

 

Which has nothing to do with the political stability of Italy and all to do with the fear of the EU.

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, aright said:

Get used to it the EU's political crisis is mutating.

Indeed.

 

Interesting election today in Slovenia.

Edited June 3, 2018 by The Renegade

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Until the Italian Internal Budget is presented to the European Commission. The Italian Government will then be removed and an EU Puppet Government installed.

 

All in the best interests of Italians of course.

 

Which has nothing to do with the political stability of Italy and all to do with the fear of the EU.

money

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Its not that they don't want to loose the Euro, they can't afford to ditch it. The euro was always necessary to achieve political unification: all states have their own currency.  It was designed not merely with no possible way back for the Franc, Mark or Lira but also to ensure that the fiscal affairs of member states were interlocked to a far greater extent than almost anybody  realizes.

All this of course to the benefit of German exports. Why don't we start calling the euro the mark since Germany seem to be the only country to have benefitted from it.

The role of euro sceptics in Europe, especially Italy, I believe will get progressively stronger and the part Junker and Germany  played in its ascendancy will become clearer. Whatever Remainers think, globalization is getting less and less popular and feelings of national independence and sovereignty are stronger. At a political level the European Commission is pushing hard for a single Euro super state but at a people level they are pushing hard against it.

I look forward to seeing you perform in the Colosseum. ? 

 

 

 

don't like the look of those lions

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

money

Well yes.

 

The EU needs money and plenty of it. Wont do to have the EZ's 3rd biggest contributor leaving.

 

The Shoite would really hit the fan.

[aright]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

don't like the look of those lions

The three Lions is what it's all about.

[soalbundy]

Just now, aright said:

The three Lions is what it's all about.

No unicorns for starters ?

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

No unicorns for starters ?

Nah, unicorns are a remainers fantasy. It used to be called beastiality, and was punishable by a term in prison. Perhaps it is acceptable nowadays.

[aright]

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

No unicorns for starters ?

Don't knock it. When the Monster Raving Looney Party get into power they have promised to make unicorns a protected species. They get my vote. 

[soalbundy]

12 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Well yes.

 

The EU needs money and plenty of it. Wont do to have the EZ's 3rd biggest contributor leaving.

 

The Shoite would really hit the fan.

The EU could always cap projects, for Italy it is a question of existence, that is not to say that the situation isn't dangerous for the EU but then it is dangerous for the whole world of finanze, as Nixon once said when told of yet another brewing financial disaster in Italy

''I don't give a f... about the Lira''

In Der Spiegel today about the Italian government ''one show,two showmasters''

Edited June 3, 2018 by soalbundy

[aright]

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

 

In Der Spiegel today about the Italian government ''one show,two showmasters''

I would be more interested in what Der Spiegal said about Germany loosing 2-1 to Austria yesterday. 

[soalbundy]

23 minutes ago, aright said:

I would be more interested in what Der Spiegal said about Germany loosing 2-1 to Austria yesterday. 

A mere setback, the Austrians obviously weren't paid enough.

[adammike]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Your lack of knowledge and understanding about what is happening between the EU and the new Italian government is quite staggering; either that, or your sense of denial regarding the reality of the situation has spiralled completely out of control.

 

As for berating Italy and its people for the ancient history of the Roman empire, your association with irrelevance has truly reached new heights, even for such a specialist as yourself

Tell me captain how many prime minister's and governments the strong and stable country of Italy has had since 1945?

[soalbundy]

8 minutes ago, adammike said:

Tell me captain how many prime minister's and governments the strong and stable country of Italy has had since 1945?

You shouldn't be too hard on him, it was directed at me, he gets a boner when he see's 'soalbundy'

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Italy is not Greece. It is a net contributor to the EU. Italy's old centre-left ruling parties are in a death spiral.

By voting in extreme right wing parties they have rejected the moral claims of the EU. They have not forgotten the EU left them to tackle the migrant crisis on their own after the Balkan route was closed.

Euro sceptic parties will remain in power as long as they fight EU values.

Get used to it the EU's political crisis is mutating.

You think that the Five Star Movement is right wing? More reading required! ?

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You think that the Five Star Movement is right wing? More reading required! ?

The League is, which is why they will work so well together ?. The League only cares about Northern Italy (how wise of them) didn't they want a split from the South at one time ? sort of like Scotland and England. I can remember the demonstrations against globalisation many years ago, one can't deny that it has brought many impoverished nations out of poverty, they no longer want our 'bad conscience donations' at Christmas, they want,and are getting, a piece of the pie, doesn't go down well with all, the West has to try harder.

[aright]

14 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You think that the Five Star Movement is right wing? More reading required! ?

Wiki got it wrong again did they??

 

The Five Star Movement (Italian: Movimento 5 Stelle [moviˈmento ˈtʃiŋkwe ˈstelle], M5S) is a populist^[13][14] and far-right^[15] political party in Italy.

[soalbundy]

5 minutes ago, aright said:

Wiki got it wrong again did they??

 

The Five Star Movement (Italian: Movimento 5 Stelle [moviˈmento ˈtʃiŋkwe ˈstelle], M5S) is a populist^[13][14] and far-right^[15] political party in Italy.

Their policies sound left wing or was that just vote buying that cant be realised ?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

49 minutes ago, adammike said:

Tell me captain how many prime minister's and governments the strong and stable country of Italy has had since 1945?

Did you actually read my comment before replying ??

 

I spoke only of the NEW coalition Government of Italy and their interaction with the EU. I made no mention whatsoever of any previous Governments or Prime Minister’s, so please try and stay on topic if you wish to respond to any of my comments, which I am quite happy for you to do.

 

If you want to know for some obscure reason, about Italian Governments dating back over 70 years, I suggest you research it yourself, I am certainly not going to do it for you.

[aright]

11 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Their policies sound left wing or was that just vote buying that cant be realised ?

This from Reuters

"The founder of M5S, the charismatic Genoese comedian Beppe Grillo, has toyed with political rhetoric usually associated with Europe’s far right, including EU-bashing and law-and-order. "

Please take up further disagreements with Wikipedia or Reuters.

[billd766]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

Following on from the above, the EU has prepared detailed guidelines about how medivines will be authorized for use Post-brexit - http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/news_and_events/general/general_content_001707.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac0580a809a7

 

There is nothing remotely similar from the UK side - does the government secretly know we are not really leaving and so it's not worth preparing or are they just incompetent ?   

 

Have you tried sending an email directly to Theresa May asking for a daily update on Brexit because YOU HAVE to know what is going on? I am sure that she or one of her staff will accede to your every desire.

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, aright said:

This from Reuters

"The founder of M5S, the charismatic Genoese comedian Beppe Grillo, has toyed with political rhetoric usually associated with Europe’s far right, including EU-bashing and law-and-order. "

Please take up further disagreements with Wikipedia or Reuters.

Far right rhetoric is good if you are trying to reach the 'I feel left behind' groups, must be a lot in Italy and Spain as well as the UK, doesn't mean you are right wing but hey, who knows what he is when he takes his red nose off.

My daughter in Germany was an open free and easy sort of person but when her business started to fail and her husband with a masters in architecture could only get a moderate salary her views became more and more right wing, seems one's political views depend on how hard done by you are, worked for Trump who is now a threat for the well being of billions in the world but of course he really is right wing who pretends to care for the downtrodden. 

[soalbundy]

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Have you tried sending an email directly to Theresa May asking for a daily update on Brexit because YOU HAVE to know what is going on? I am sure that she or one of her staff will accede to your every desire.

That won't help, she doesn't know herself, haven't heard that old mantra 'brexit means brexit' for a while though, a clue perhaps.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

The League is, which is why they will work so well together ?. The League only cares about Northern Italy (how wise of them) didn't they want a split from the South at one time ? sort of like Scotland and England. I can remember the demonstrations against globalisation many years ago, one can't deny that it has brought many impoverished nations out of poverty, they no longer want our 'bad conscience donations' at Christmas, they want,and are getting, a piece of the pie, doesn't go down well with all, the West has to try harder.

Yes, as the Lombard League

 

The point is that the Five Star Movement are anti-establishment left wingers. Strange bedfellows in deed

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, aright said:

Wiki got it wrong again did they??

 

The Five Star Movement (Italian: Movimento 5 Stelle [moviˈmento ˈtʃiŋkwe ˈstelle], M5S) is a populist^[13][14] and far-right^[15] political party in Italy.

Looks like it. Their policies are very left wing.  Lowering pension age, guaranteed income for all, major infrastructure investment.

 

On further reading, nut cases would be more appropriate. I see they are anti vaccination and do not want fascist salutes to be outlawed! What an odd bunch!

Edited June 3, 2018 by Grouse

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Looks like it. Their policies are very left wing.  Lowering pension age, guaranteed income for all, major infrastructure investment.

 

On further reading, nut cases would be more appropriate. I see they are anti vaccination and do not want fascist salutes to be outlawed! What an odd bunch!

They are ostensibly left but often described as right; they woo the vote of the right and do the hokey-cokey all night. Neat arrangement but with those stiff salutes they must be on the right track!  That's what (Italian politics) it's all about.

 

Meanwhile, from the rural Pennine extremities, the internet sucks but never fear, while a decent pint of Bass remains available (as it still is) there is always hope for good old Blighty!  ??.

 

 

[Orac]

Don't knock it. When the Monster Raving Looney Party get into power they have promised to make unicorns a protected species. They get my vote. 

You have been fooled by these ridiculous parties with no platform - the Germans have their people in place already.




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[aright]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Looks like it. Their policies are very left wing.  Lowering pension age, guaranteed income for all, major infrastructure investment.

 

On further reading, nut cases would be more appropriate. I see they are anti vaccination and do not want fascist salutes to be outlawed! What an odd bunch!

Odd indeed . Their manifesto also says they will give mothers with young children free nappies.

[Kieran00001]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

Looks like it. Their policies are very left wing.  Lowering pension age, guaranteed income for all, major infrastructure investment.

 

On further reading, nut cases would be more appropriate. I see they are anti vaccination and do not want fascist salutes to be outlawed! What an odd bunch!

 

Slashing corporation tax and red tape while luring in voters with some populist policies doesn't sound very left wing to me, it sounds like Mussolini's fascism all over again.