Vince Cable should hang his head in shame for many reasons. But his latest attempt to play the racism card on brexit rules him out of the debate completely. Which is entirely appropriate for a man who pretends to 'lead' an irrelevant political party whilst spending most of his time trying to foment discontent amongst people who aren't even members of his own political party. What a sad excuse for a politician Vince Cable has ended up being.

None of that matters he is right this time its obvious and we are talking about Brexit.

 

Like I said I am no fan of him and no fan of the European Union actually but the whole Brexit thing is a disaster. A lot of people voted for pure racism reasons not all but a hell of a lot.

 

I reckon 99% of the people who voted to remain thought we would be better of in the European Union if they liked it or not, and probably about 25% who voted to leave suspectd we wouldn't be but still voted for it and a good portion of them are from the older generations and don't have as much to loose and just wanted to get rid of those pesky foreigners. I suspect this is right just from conversations I have with people back home and here.

 

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18 minutes ago, inThailand said:

A classic decision making error. Make a major  decision with incomplete or false information and then wonder why it's gone tits up.

But you are the one who is uninformed and making the error. All the information about what leaving the EU entailed was sent out to every household in the UK prior to the referendum. And it was supplemented by disgusting lies by then-finance minister George Osborne about how bad things would be immediately after a vote to leave. The only reason why things are going "tits up" is because people with opinions similar to yours, who are in positions of power and influence, are doing their absolute level best to make sure that things go "tits up".

 
"Not to mention the Russians messing in it. Will of people what a absolute joke."
 
Mods, isn't it about time that deliberate misinformation, as highlighted above is, dealt with?
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-uk-brexit-facebook/facebook-says-finds-no-new-evidence-russia-interfered-in-brexit-referendum-idUSKCN1GC309
 
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/feb/08/youtube-says-no-evidence-of-russian-interference-in-brexit-vote

How is it deliberate misinformation lol

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/more-revelations-suggest-russia-interfered-in-uks-brexit-vote-7069216/

Haven't you been reading the news lately you could hardly put it past them could you. Don't you remember that cyber attack last year and the recent attack on our soil.


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10 minutes ago, juice777 said:

None of that matters he is right this time its obvious and we are talking about Brexit.

 

Like I said I am no fan of him and no fan of the European Union actually but the whole Brexit thing is a disaster. A lot of people voted for pure racism reasons not all but a hell of a lot.

 

I reckon 99% of the people who voted to remain thought we would be better of in the European Union if they liked it or not, and probably about 25% who voted to leave suspectd we wouldn't be but still voted for it and a good portion of them are from the older generations and don't have as much to loose and just wanted to get rid of those pesky foreigners. I suspect this is right just from conversations I have with people back home and here.

 

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And you would be entirely wrong with your attempt to present this as a primarily a racism issue. But well done on towing the party line. That's also my own anecdotal experience from discussions with remainers, and their arguments become quite paltry once the fake 'racism' argument is put to bed. I had a remainer friend round for dinner a few weeks ago, who just ended up with a silly perma-smirk on his face after his 'ignorant racists' and 'recession' arguments had been thoroughly deconstructed. The more I talk with remainers, the more I realise that they've been 'had' by the corporate globalists.

13 minutes ago, juice777 said:

 

 

How is it deliberate misinformation lol

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/more-revelations-suggest-russia-interfered-in-uks-brexit-vote-7069216/

Haven't you been reading the news lately you could hardly put it past them could you. Don't you remember that cyber attack last year and the recent attack on our soil.


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So, I provide the latest statements from social media giants that thorough investigations show no Russian interference in the brexit campaign. You provide speculation planted in a free-from-purchase newspaper and media source by remain supporters (isn't that exactly the tactic that Russia is accused of using?). And you're right and I'm wrong? 

26 minutes ago, juice777 said:

None of that matters he is right this time its obvious and we are talking about Brexit.

 

Like I said I am no fan of him and no fan of the European Union actually but the whole Brexit thing is a disaster. A lot of people voted for pure racism reasons not all but a hell of a lot.

 

I reckon 99% of the people who voted to remain thought we would be better of in the European Union if they liked it or not, and probably about 25% who voted to leave suspectd we wouldn't be but still voted for it and a good portion of them are from the older generations and don't have as much to loose and just wanted to get rid of those pesky foreigners. I suspect this is right just from conversations I have with people back home and here.

 

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The 'pesky' foreigners most of us object to are the likes of the ones who have hit the headlines in Rochdale, Rotherham etc and now Telford. 

 

We did not want Ma Merkel sending us any more of her 'pesky' foreigners that the Germans invited into their midst with such open arms. We've got too many of our own already.

 
And you would be entirely wrong with your attempt to present this as a primarily a racism issue. But well done on towing the party line. That's also my own anecdotal experience from discussions with remainers, and their arguments become quite paltry once the fake 'racism' argument is put to bed. I had a remainer friend round for dinner a few weeks ago, who just ended up with a silly perma-smirk on his face after his 'ignorant racists' and 'recession' arguments had been thoroughly deconstructed. The more I talk with remainers, the more I realise that they've been 'had' by the corporate globalists.

At no point have I tried to attempt to present this only a racism issue.Did you not read my post I said a lot Not all. I didn't say All people believe we will be worst of out of the European Union I said I believe that probably half believe its a good thing,I think they are wrong but that's fair enough. But unfortunately a massive portion voted for ridiculous reasons and a lot of them knew that we would be worst off coming out but of the European Union but still voted for it basically out of spite. What did Michael Cane say

rather be a poor master than a rich servant

Well that's nice of him with all his millions

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1 hour ago, juice777 said:

I love it when people say we won get over it like we have just lost a football match or something. Like we are going to just get over the possibility of the worst thing ever to happen to our country in most of our lifetimes for no apparent good reasons. And jump right into it with no proper plan. would you walk into a burning building at 8pm if you agreed to meet some in there no you would wait till the fire was put out. If this happens it will be the worst thing ever to happen to us and that is getting more apparent as time goes on. Future generations are going to despise people who voted for brixit and I can't blame them.But hay at least we will have blue passports back even if it wasn't a European law to change the colour and I swear my dad's passport was black it certainly wasn't that shade of blue.

 

I am no fan of Vince Cable but he has hit the Nail on the head here. You should all hang your heads in shame there is still time to reverse this madness.

 

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

 

Brexit: Older Leave voters nostalgic for 'white' Britain, says Cable - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43364331

 

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So, I provide the latest statements from social media giants that thorough investigations show no Russian interference in the brexit campaign. You provide speculation planted in a free-from-purchase newspaper and media source by remain supporters (isn't that exactly the tactic that Russia is accused of using?). And you're right and I'm wrong? [emoji23]

Where did it say in you links that twitter didn't find any evidence only face book and youtube, I am talking about Twitter

And anyway like we can trust Mark Zuckerberg Or Google.

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The 'pesky' foreigners most of us object to are the likes of the ones who have hit the headlines in Rochdale, Rotherham etc and now Telford. 
 
We did not want Ma Merkel sending us any more of her 'pesky' foreigners that the Germans invited into their midst with such open arms. We've got too many of our own already.

Thanks for making my point for me

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1 minute ago, juice777 said:

At no point have I tried to attempt to present this only a racism issue.Did you not read my post I said a lot Not all. I didn't say All people believe we will be worst of out of the European Union I said I believe that probably half believe its a good thing,I think they are wrong but that's fair enough. But unfortunately a massive portion voted for ridiculous reasons and a lot of them knew that we would be worst off coming out but of the European Union but still voted for it basically out of spite. What did Michael Cane say

rather be a poor master than a rich servant

Well that's nice of him with all his millions

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Anybody can make up bizarre, fact-free statistics as you have done in your post above. Many posts get deleted for making the type of speculative misinformation that you like to make in your posts.

Pygmies arguing about about the chief pigmy's decisions and actions, nobody has any idea what is going to happen, worse off ? better off ? the same ? One thing is certain the real rulers,the unelected establishment, will always make money whatever the outcome, they must be silently amused by the public discussions and arguments.

6 minutes ago, aright said:

1 hour ago, juice777 said:

I love it when people say we won get over it like we have just lost a football match or something. Like we are going to just get over the possibility of the worst thing ever to happen to our country in most of our lifetimes for no apparent good reasons. And jump right into it with no proper plan. would you walk into a burning building at 8pm if you agreed to meet some in there no you would wait till the fire was put out. If this happens it will be the worst thing ever to happen to us and that is getting more apparent as time goes on. Future generations are going to despise people who voted for brixit and I can't blame them.But hay at least we will have blue passports back even if it wasn't a European law to change the colour and I swear my dad's passport was black it certainly wasn't that shade of blue.

 

I am no fan of Vince Cable but he has hit the Nail on the head here. You should all hang your heads in shame there is still time to reverse this madness.

 

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

 

Brexit: Older Leave voters nostalgic for 'white' Britain, says Cable - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43364331

 

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Did anybody tick the "older leave voter" box on the referendum paper? Can't say I remember anything about "white Britain" on it though.

 

Anybody can make up bizarre, fact-free statistics as you have done in your post above. Many posts get deleted for making the type of speculative misinformation that you like to make in your posts.

I admit that my numbers are speculation on my behalf. But it's going from conversions I have had and social media (only here to tell the truth) and listening to talk radio. So many people voted for racist or ridiculous reasons. Come on mate you must know that a lot of people voted to come out when they thought they would be worst of maybe not you but please admit that I am right there.

 

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8 minutes ago, juice777 said:

Where did it say in you links that twitter didn't find any evidence only face book and youtube, I am talking about Twitter

And anyway like we can trust Mark Zuckerberg Or Google.

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You're being silly, and you are being mugged by people far more influential than you or me.

 

https://www.rt.com/uk/417045-russia-brexit-twitter-bots/

7 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Did anybody tick the "older leave voter" box on the referendum paper? Can't say I remember anything about "white Britain" on it though.

My voting paper was white and that gave me a good clue as to what way to vote!

My voting paper was white and that gave me a good clue as to what way to vote![emoji2]

He clearly is one of the people I am talking about.

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1 minute ago, juice777 said:

He clearly is one of the people I am talking about.

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And you are one of the excuses I am trying to avoid.

And you are one of the excuses I am trying to avoid.

I don't even know what that means but please avoid me

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Just now, juice777 said:

I don't even know what that means but please avoid me

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My pleasure!

3 minutes ago, juice777 said:

I admit that my numbers are speculation on my behalf. But it's going from conversions I have had and social media (only here to tell the truth) and listening to talk radio. So many people voted for racist or ridiculous reasons. Come on mate you must know that a lot of people voted to come out when they thought they would be worst of maybe not you but please admit that I am right there.

 

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I and my family spent three hours stuck on a train outside Manchester Piccadilly train station this afternoon, due to an invasive track protest by Kurdish militants at the station. Apparently, it was exacerbated by the EDL turning up to counter-protest. I was chatting about political extremism with a guy whilst stuck on the train, who told me that when he was policing a recent 'Britain First' rally (his daytime job ), he witnessed Sky News (who he was escorting) going round interviewing protesters. Sky apparently cast aside several potential interviewees until they found one who was as dumb as a post. And this was the one they worked with. Don't be a fool.

 

I and my family spent three hours stuck on a train outside Manchester Piccadilly train station this afternoon, due to an invasive track protest by Kurdish militants at the station. Apparently, it was exacerbated by the EDL turning up to counter-protest. I was chatting about political extremism with a guy whilst stuck on the train, who told me that when he was policing a recent 'Britain First' rally (his daytime job ), he witnessed Sky News (who he was escorting) going round interviewing protesters. Sky apparently cast aside several potential interviewees until they found one who was as dumb as a post. And this was the one they worked with. Don't be a fool.

I've no ideal really what that post has to do with this apart you are saying that news corporations have agendas well nothing new there. My point is what we have been talking about for the last few posts is from conversions with real people in person or on social media. And listening (to what I beleave is a unbiased radio phone in station) is that its absolutely obvious that a good proportion of the 52% voted to come out even if they thought we would be worst of.

 

I will ask you again do you believe that a lot of people voted to come out but actually thought we would be worst of?

 

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6 minutes ago, juice777 said:

I've no ideal really what that post has to do with this apart you are saying that news corporations have agendas well nothing new there. My point is what we have been talking about for the last few posts is from conversions with real people in person or on social media. And listening (to what I beleave is a unbiased radio phone in station) is that its absolutely obvious that a good proportion of the 52% voted to come out even if they thought we would be worst of.

 

I will ask you again do you believe that a lot of people voted to come out but actually thought we would be worst of?

 

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Real people on social media? But you've just been telling us that social media is full of fake people with fake messages when it comes to politics. Either the assorted media are spammed by malign political activists or they're not. Make your mind up. You can't have it both ways.

 

And, in answer to your last question, I believe that most people who voted to leave accept that we will be worse off economically in the short-to-medium-term.

 
Real people on social media? But you've just been telling us that social media is full of fake people with fake messages when it comes to politics. Either the assorted media are spammed by malign political activists or they're not. Make your mind up. You can't have it both ways.
 
And, in answer to your last question, I believe that most people who voted to leave accept that we will be worse off economically in the short-to-medium-term.

I didn't say full of fake people I was pointing out it had a influence even if it's only influence of 1 or 2% that's grounds for another referendum if you ask me.

I also said in a post that all of my social media on Brexit is basically this fourm.

And I clearly said real conversations and social media.

And thanks for telling the truth but I the whole truth Is long term.

"And, in answer to your last question, I believe that most people who voted to leave accept that we will be worse off economically in the short-to-medium-term"

So what are the advantages of Brexit in your opinion. And please no here say or maybes in what way are we going to be better of. Because I have yet to here one real reason. Only a lot of wishful thinking.

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5 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

And, in answer to your last question, I believe that most people who voted to leave accept that we will be worse off economically in the short-to-medium-term.

I agree and the worse off scenario is exacerbated by Quislings who can't accept the result of a democratically held referendum, endorsed by the Commons and acted on by the British Government. Their attitude started the game with the EU 2 nil ahead. 

I agree and the worse off scenario is exacerbated by Quislings who can't accept the result of a democratically held referendum, endorsed by the Commons and acted on by the British Government. Their attitude started the game with the EU 2 nil ahead. 

If the result of a democratically held referendum is people voting for my sisters children to live In a country where there future is bleak for no apparent good reason and then they admit that they know they will be worst of and a lot of those people are going to be dead when the real reality kicks in then you are right I can't accept the result.

And that's coming for someone who doesn't like the European Union

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3 minutes ago, juice777 said:

 

 

I didn't say full of fake people I was pointing out it had a influence even if it's only influence of 1 or 2% that's grounds for another referendum if you ask me.

I also said in a post that all of my social media on Brexit is basically this fourm.

And I clearly said real conversations and social media.

And thanks for telling the truth but I the whole truth Is long term.

"And, in answer to your last question, I believe that most people who voted to leave accept that we will be worse off economically in the short-to-medium-term"

So what are the advantages of Brexit in your opinion. And please no here say or maybes in what way are we going to be better of. Because I have yet to here one real reason. Only a lot of wishful thinking.

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You're making it up as you go along. YouTube and Facebook can't be trusted with their assertions that Russia didn't interfere in the brexit vote, but you trust Twitter. But Twitter's head of European operations also confirms that the Russians didn't interfere, so no comment from you. So, despite you not trusting YouTube, Twitter or Facebook, you trust anonymous people who post toward you on said media. Odd.

 

What are the advantages of brexit? The UK get's to plot it's own future, as opposed to having it's future plotted by a bunch of stooges of corporate globalists who couldn't give a monkey's cuss about the future of the UK.

 
 
You're making it up as you go along. YouTube and Facebook can't be trusted with their assertions that Russia didn't interfere in the brexit vote, but you trust Twitter. But Twitter's head of European operations also confirms that the Russians didn't interfere, so no comment from you. So, despite you not trusting YouTube, Twitter or Facebook, you trust anonymous people who post toward you on said media. Odd.
 
What are the advantages of brexit? The UK get's to plot it's own future, as opposed to having it's future plotted by a bunch of stooges of corporate globalists who couldn't give a monkey's cuss about the future of the UK.

"What are the advantages of brexit? The UK get's to plot it's own future, as opposed to having it's future plotted by a bunch of stooges of corporate globalists who couldn't give a monkey's cuss about the future of the UK."

You trust our politicians them?

Didn't Boris write 2 Drafts for the telegraph 1 saying we should remain one saying we should leave.

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14 minutes ago, aright said:

I agree and the worse off scenario is exacerbated by Quislings who can't accept the result of a democratically held referendum, endorsed by the Commons and acted on by the British Government. Their attitude started the game with the EU 2 nil ahead. 

Correct. And their subsequent behaviour has put the EU 4 nil ahead. Some of it is actually treason, but power factions stop it from ever being identified as such, just as those same factions stop British war criminals from being identified

Reading through the posts of this topic I see that there is a majority in favour of Brexit.

 

It would be a mistake to underestimate the thinking power of posters here. Get more common sense and honesty from TVForum members than all the other media put together.

 

BBC's Question Time on 1st March came from Blackpool where they voted 67% to leave.