Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, RuamRudy said: Save your faux outrage and see my response, above. He is othering Italian Roma. He distinguishes between those who are documented and those who are not, but still expresses contempt for his own countrymen who happen to be from an ethnic minority. I repeat - it is shocking that this is happening in a European country, and equally shocking that I need to point this out to you. I suggest you google ‘outrage’ because you don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word. I am not in the least bit outraged, you are the one displaying all the outrage. However, I agree that ‘faux’ is certainly the correct adjective to precede your outrage with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: 21st June 2018 City AM Manufacturing outlook brightens as order books fill again The prospects for Britain's manufacturing sector brightened in the second quarter as order books bounced back from a dip, according to data published today. A third of manufacturers enjoyed increased orders, with the overall balance of firms experiencing more orders than usual swinging from a negative reading to a positive 13 per cent, the figures from the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) show. I heard this mentioned briefly on a news channel last night. I can't see it anywhere on the BBC news site. Yet a couple of weeks ago there was a prominent story about the dip in manufacturing growth between March and May. It seems that only bad economic news makes the headlines since June 2016! Here is some more good news Quote Latest statistics released by the Office of National Statistics show public sector net borrowing has fallen to £5bn in May, compared with the same period in the previous year, which was £7bn. This is the lowest May net borrowing since 2005, and so far, the deficit is at £11.8bn in total, 26% than April-May 2017. This is also the lowest annual budget deficit as a share of GDP since 2001-2002 and the borrowing is only for long-term investment, not day-to-day spending. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-44495411 Financial armageddon right enough. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 11:17 AM, aright said: Northern Ireland consists of just 2.9% of the British population . Like the rest of us they had a vote in the referendumand they should accept the outcome or leave the UK. They need to sort out their own issues rather than expect the 97.1% of the UK who don't live in NI to bend over backwards to accommodate them. I will however pass on the feelings of your green passport mate to TM so she can plan accordingly. 1 hour ago, sandyf said: Show me where I ever mentioned the percentages that you keep banging on about. It should be about principles and these were her words. "It means we believe in the Union: the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. But it means something else that is just as important; it means we believe in a union not just between the nations of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens, every one of us, whoever we are and wherever we’re from." Now tell me where your precious bond has gone. You didn't mention them I did in support of the 97% Brits which you seem to think warrants equal attention with the 3% NI population Can I repeat Northern Ireland consists of just 2.9% of the British population . Like the rest of us they had a vote in the referendum and they should accept the outcome or leave the UK. They need to sort out their own issues rather than expect the 97.1% of the UK who don't live in NI to bend over backwards to accommodate them. If you disagree with this you have yet to present your case. A few posts ago you paraphrased TM as saying we are a union of equals then give us her quote which refers to bonds but makes no mention of equality. Away with your pettiness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, The Renegade said: Here is some more good news https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-44495411 Financial armageddon right enough. Hopefully this'll help poor old Teebee get a nights sleep ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said: Hopefully this'll help poor old Teebee get a nights sleep ? ?? Nothing but nothing will help tebee get a good nights sleep. The weight of his pessimism keeps him awake? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: How on earth did this turn into a thread about Italy's roma??? At the end of the day, the brits. voted to leave - and we're now looking at how the uk govt. is handling the matter - even though they would prefer to 'remain'. Er, many Brexiters have an irrational desire to see the EU fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 16 hours ago, Jip99 said: I think employment and unemployment should managed separately. Unemployment should be tackled from the viewpoint of getting them into work - but not shoe-horning them in. There will always be a percentage who don't want to work - and that percentage may be 4% (I think I saw a good few of them in Benidorm last month!). People who show a desire to work, irrespective of age, should be encouraged to do so, with re-training programmes as appropriate. Employment is a different matter and I could not vote for a system that put "British first". To me it sends the totally wrong message and actually sounds racist. I understand the principle of looking after our own, but without the industrious Poles the haulage industry would have had serious problems and, as you said, fruit picking etc too. It also seems that the majority of jobs in catering are taken by East Europeans. Now, that must be for a reason..... maybe they are prepared to work for lower wages... maybe they are just better workers. An employer must have the right to employ the best person for the job irrespective of colour or creed, quota or favour. There are other issues, of course, and I also agree with Billd about deferred access to the NHS and the benefit system. I don’t think that they are better workers, though they will certainly work for lower pay. That is why the employers want them. Unfortunately when you have unrestricted immigration from lower paying Eastern European countries, this tends to keep the wages of the lower paid down. However if your in a skilled or restricted occupation, you can take a selfish attitude and think I’m alright Jack, hard luck on you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 hours ago, tebee said: Another of my occasional questions for the leavers on here. I think very soon international companies are going to start announcing the closure of their British operations and their relocation to mainland Europe. Will this change the general public's view of Brexit ? How many job losses would it take to change your own view? OK I realize this is in some ways a " when did you stop beating your wife" question, but I'd still like your opinion on what would change if it happens. When will it ever end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, sandyf said: Show me where I ever mentioned the percentages that you keep banging on about. It should be about principles and these were her words. "It means we believe in the Union: the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. But it means something else that is just as important; it means we believe in a union not just between the nations of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens, every one of us, whoever we are and wherever we’re from." Now tell me where your precious bond has gone. If 100% of NI had voted remain it would have made no difference to the referendum. Far better they are reunited with Eire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Grouse said: Er, many Brexiters have an irrational desire to see the EU fail? Providing you meant EU Institutions then you are absolutely correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: I suggest you google ‘outrage’ because you don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word. I am not in the least bit outraged, you are the one displaying all the outrage. However, I agree that ‘faux’ is certainly the correct adjective to precede your outrage with. I wonder if IBM will get the contract for the new databases in Italy and Hungary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: I suggest you google ‘outrage’ because you don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word. I am not in the least bit outraged, you are the one displaying all the outrage. However, I agree that ‘faux’ is certainly the correct adjective to precede your outrage with. I wonder if IBM will get the contract for the new databases in Italy and Hungary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Grouse said: Er, many Brexiters have an irrational desire to see the EU fail? Er, many remainers have an irrational desire to see the UK fail ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Renegade said: Providing you meant EU Institutions then you are absolutely correct. All of them? Some of them? Which ones benefit from your support? Euratom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Renegade said: Perhaps it was destroyed in 2014 when Scotland tried to break up the Union ? Sorry,but you are wrong. Scotland did not try to break up the union, that was an attempt by the SNP and their bigoted supporters. Edited June 21, 2018 by nontabury 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Er, many remainers have an irrational desire to see the UK fail ? Really? I don't know any but a Brexiter has already agreed with my assertion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, nontabury said: Sorry,but you are wrong. Scotland did not try to break up the union, that was an attempt by the SNP and their bigoted supporters. Happy to be corrected, but I thought that Scotland had a Referendum in 2014 to break up the Union ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Grouse said: 1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: I suggest you google ‘outrage’ because you don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word. I am not in the least bit outraged, you are the one displaying all the outrage. However, I agree that ‘faux’ is certainly the correct adjective to precede your outrage with. 4 minutes ago, Grouse said: I wonder if IBM will get the contract for the new databases in Italy and Hungary? Not sure what relevance your comment has as a response to mine, have you replied to me in error old bean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Not sure what relevance your comment has as a response to mine, have you replied to me in error old bean ? Well as you know everything I'm sure you can see the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Grouse said: All of them? Some of them? Which ones benefit from your support? Euratom? The EU Parliament and the EU Commission for starters. Either they are not needed, or National Parliaments are not needed. Let me remind you of one of your heroes Quote I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a council chamber in Europe.” Kenneth Clarke MP. How sad that he will never see it ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Grouse said: Well as you know everything I'm sure you can see the connection. There you go again Grouse, snide personal insults; luckily for you, I do not share your predilection for reporting such matters, I have a decent chin. So, now, whenever you respond to me, I am left to guess as to which comment you are responding to. Was it in this particular instance a comment I made on the 13th June ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, Grouse said: Really? I don't know any but a Brexiter has already agreed with my assertion You obviously don't know yourself very well then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Er, many Brexiters have an irrational desire to see the EU fail? And many Remainers have an irrational desire to see the UK fail 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: There you go again Grouse, snide personal insults; luckily for you, I do not share your predilection for reporting such matters, I have a decent chin. So, now, whenever you respond to me, I am left to guess as to which comment you are responding to. Was it in this particular instance a comment I made on the 13th June ? One of the first things extreme right wing populists did in 30s was to assemble databases containing essential information on Jews, Roma and others. IBM won the contract based on Hollerith code punch cards Edited June 21, 2018 by Grouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, The Renegade said: The EU Parliament and the EU Commission for starters. Either they are not needed, or National Parliaments are not needed. Let me remind you of one of your heroes How sad that he will never see it ?? Well our parliament doesn't seem to have much sovereignty does it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Grouse said: Well our parliament doesn't seem to have much sovereignty does it ? You are learning. That is because it is hamstrung by Brussels. Although this is not a reflection on my comment above. It must be considered as one of the factors Quote More than half of people living in democracies worldwide think their voice is “rarely” or “never” heard in politics, according to a new study published Thursday. 8 of the Top 10 are EU Countries. Quote Nine of the 10 worst-performing countries when it comes to “political voice” — the perception among citizens that their voice matters — are all democracies: Japan, Poland, France, Austria, Portugal, Norway, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium. https://www.politico.eu/article/democracy-europe-citizens-disillusioned-poll/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Renegade said: You are learning. That is because it is hamstrung by Brussels. Although this is not a reflection on my comment above. It must be considered as one of the factors 8 of the Top 10 are EU Countries. https://www.politico.eu/article/democracy-europe-citizens-disillusioned-poll/ Interesting. Only 25% of countries polled however and I note they don't give the "bottom" 10 if you get my meaning. Oddly, I visited the ABBA museum in Stockholm today, out of intellectual curiosity. I can confirm that the 10 bottom is still 10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Grouse said: If 100% of NI had voted remain it would have made no difference to the referendum. Far better they are reunited with Eire. Unification does make a lot of sense to those of us unaffected. But the unionists in NI would disagree strongly. I think it's less than a third of the NI population that would support unification? Anyway, we're not going to solve the Irish issue on here. Edited June 21, 2018 by CG1 Blue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Grouse said: Oddly, I visited the ABBA museum in Stockholm today, out of intellectual curiosity. When in Stockholm that's the name of the game isn't it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, nontabury said: I don’t think that they are better workers, though they will certainly work for lower pay. That is why the employers want them. Unfortunately when you have unrestricted immigration from lower paying Eastern European countries, this tends to keep the wages of the lower paid down. However if your in a skilled or restricted occupation, you can take a selfish attitude and think I’m alright Jack, hard luck on you. In in many cases they are better workers - I have personal experience of that. Bloody good hand car washers as well. Unrelated to ‘unrestricted economic migration” which needs addressing separately. I didn’t vote Brexit to keep other Europeans out; I voted, in part for Brexit, to have control over the numbers coming in. Edited June 21, 2018 by Jip99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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