tebee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Ah! - never mind when Airbus closes down we can all go fruit picking ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 .... and you can do that from your base in Brittany... ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, tebee said: I hope the "hard brexit " supporters can look all the people made redundant after the day in the eye and explain how we "did it for their benefit£ Yes, of course tebee, how remiss of me. No-one has ever experienced redundancy before in the UK and it will be Brexit's fault. 4 minutes ago, tebee said: by making modern manufacturing impractical to conduct in the UK. Did you miss these that I posted earlier. I am hurt ? I posted them just for you and you appear to have missed them Quote Siemens to open train factory in east Yorkshire German engineering company to invest £200m and create thousands of jobs at new plant in Goole https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/02/siemens-to-set-up-train-factory-in-east-yorkshire Quote Siemens is to invest £27m into a new 3D printing factory for Worcester based Materials Solutions, a move that will create 55 new jobs. https://www.theengineer.co.uk/siemens-3d-printing/ 7 minutes ago, tebee said: Be interesting too to see how many international companies start investor state disputes with the UK for changing the rules and causing them losses. Get that crystal ball out and hunt for doom & gloom tebee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: I hope the "hard brexit " supporters can look all the people made redundant after the day in the eye and explain how we "did it for their benefit£ by making modern manufacturing impractical to conduct in the UK. 4 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Yep, no problem. Just blame it on the intransigence of the EU. I was addressing the comment to those that want a hard brexit. It is the their instance on having nothing to do with the EU that causes the problem. A soft brexit could avoid it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Well okay then, in that case, let's examine the stunningly informative tweet from the literary genius, James O’Brien, that you think puts it very succinctly He tweeted ***Yup. If you stop paying £20 for your pitch at the car boot sale where you make a profit of £200 every week, then you are obviously £20 a week better off *** So, to show how weak your position actually is, if you can't write something more edifying than this yourself, and have to resort to posting this drivel from somebody else, you really do have much more to worry about than Brexit You really are struggling here - my suggestion is that you accept that you have nothing constructive to add, and simply drop it. On the other hand, of course, feel free to continue to dig. Should you wish to do so, perhaps you can explain what is unedifying and uninformative about him making a pertinent, accessible analogy to demonstrate how ludicrous a position that Rees Mogg is taking? And drivel? Why do you consider it drivel? The definition of drivel is 'silly nonsense'. What aspect of his tweet is silly nonsense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, tebee said: Ah! - never mind when Airbus closes down we can all go fruit picking ..... But the question to be asked is, 'Is picking fruit more fun than building aircraft?'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 18 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: I suggest you google ‘outrage’ because you don’t appear to understand the meaning of the word. I am not in the least bit outraged, you are the one displaying all the outrage. However, I agree that ‘faux’ is certainly the correct adjective to precede your outrage with. I can assure you that there is nothing faux about my outrage when it comes to racists, fascists and xenophobes. If you weren't outraged, you did wade in somewhat quickly to defend a clearly fascist politician and try to airbrush out his overtly racist proposals by trying to suggest he was persecuting only those who are in Italy illegally, rather than the truth of the matter, which is his stated intent to single out Roma in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, tebee said: I was addressing the comment to those that want a hard brexit. It is the their instance on having nothing to do with the EU that causes the problem. A soft brexit could avoid it NOBODY wants the uk to leave the eu without a trade agreement that suits both parties in place - preferably a free trade agreement. But the eu is insisting that a trade agreement is the last thing that needs to be discussed! If they're not prepared to discuss a trade agreement until the uk accepts all their terms - then, sadly, it's necessary to leave under wto terms. With of course, no payment to the eu. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: NOBODY wants the uk to leave the eu without a trade agreement that suits both parties in place - preferably a free trade agreement. But the eu is insisting that a trade agreement is the last thing that needs to be discussed! If they're not prepared to discuss a trade agreement until the uk accepts all their terms - then, sadly, it's necessary to leave under wto terms. With of course, no payment to the eu. And we have a winner ?? The Europhiles are so deaf, dumb and blind that they cannot see this. The EU are insisting on the UK being tied to Brussels and the ECJ. It is just not going to happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, The Renegade said: And we have a winner ?? The Europhiles are so deaf, dumb and blind that they cannot see this. The EU are insisting on the UK being tied to Brussels and the ECJ. It is just not going to happen. "The EU are insisting on the UK being tied to Brussels and the ECJ. It is just not going to happen." Re. " It is just not going to happen." - I hope you're right, but wouldn't bet any money on it ☹️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Listen to Juncker Ireland, he really is your friend ?? Quote Juncker piles pressure on Ireland to adopt Brussels’ corporate tax plans https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/juncker-piles-pressure-on-ireland-to-adopt-brussels-corporate-tax-plans-6wl3gfqrw Now make sure you listen carefully to the man who is under investigation for his part in setting up Corporate Tax avoidance when he was PM of Luxembourg. Fiat just being the latest https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-fiat-taxavoidance-court/fiat-slams-eu-regulators-for-acting-as-supranational-tax-body-idUSKBN1JH1DT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: NOBODY wants the uk to leave the eu without a trade agreement that suits both parties in place - preferably a free trade agreement. But the eu is insisting that a trade agreement is the last thing that needs to be discussed! If they're not prepared to discuss a trade agreement until the uk accepts all their terms - then, sadly, it's necessary to leave under wto terms. With of course, no payment to the eu. We have already agreed to the severance payment and that NI will remain part of the CU and SM - we are still sorting out citizens rights though - the UK gov published a proposal today but it's still lacking in detail. There has been discussion on a trade deal - the EU has offered a offered a Canada or Ukraine type deal, with no ECJ strings attached - but this won't solve the problem for people like Airbus. The problem is the 2 year art 50 notice is nowhere near long enough to arrange a comprehensive a la carte trade deal, my moneys still on an art 50 extesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, tebee said: We have already agreed to the severance payment and that NI will remain part of the CU and SM ??? Who has ? ??? Did you attend a special school tebee ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, tebee said: We have already agreed to the severance payment and that NI will remain part of the CU and SM - we are still sorting out citizens rights though - the UK gov published a proposal today but it's still lacking in detail. There has been discussion on a trade deal - the EU has offered a offered a Canada or Ukraine type deal, with no ECJ strings attached - but this won't solve the problem for people like Airbus. The problem is the 2 year art 50 notice is nowhere near long enough to arrange a comprehensive a la carte trade deal, my moneys still on an art 50 extesion. As far as I've read - 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: But the question to be asked is, 'Is picking fruit more fun than building aircraft?'. I suspect a high proportion of Brexiters are qualified for spud bashing but not aircraft manufacture ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: As far as I've read - 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'. Yep, by none other than Barnier. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Grouse said: I suspect a high proportion of Brexiters are qualified for spud bashing but not aircraft manufacture ? I suspect that there is not many in the UK that are qualified for aircraft manufacture period, regardless of whether they are leavers or remainers. I must congratulate you on posting yet another piece of garbage. It appears you really are an expert in your field. Edited June 22, 2018 by The Renegade 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Grouse said: I suspect a high proportion of Brexiters are qualified for spud bashing but not aircraft manufacture ? Why on earth are you so desperate to reduce the discussion to insulting brexiteers??? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, The Renegade said: Listen to Juncker Ireland, he really is your friend ?? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/juncker-piles-pressure-on-ireland-to-adopt-brussels-corporate-tax-plans-6wl3gfqrw Now make sure you listen carefully to the man who is under investigation for his part in setting up Corporate Tax avoidance when he was PM of Luxembourg. Fiat just being the latest https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-fiat-taxavoidance-court/fiat-slams-eu-regulators-for-acting-as-supranational-tax-body-idUSKBN1JH1DT Ensuring a level playing field across the EU is sensible as is making sure that multinationals pay their fair share. A race to the bottom on corporation tax does not help with building stable societies with social justice. Ireland drew in particularly American multinationals in this way. The UK post Brexit will certainly do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why on earth are you so desperate to reduce the discussion to insulting brexiteers??? More like insulting the UK..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Renegade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Grouse said: Ensuring a level playing field across the EU is sensible as is making sure that multinationals pay their fair share. A race to the bottom on corporation tax does not help with building stable societies with social justice. Ireland drew in particularly American multinationals in this way. The UK post Brexit will certainly do so. You do not understand hypocrisy or irony, do you ? Quote Now make sure you listen carefully to the man who is under investigation for his part in setting up Corporate Tax avoidance when he was PM of Luxembourg. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/luxembourg-leaks-will-put-spotlight-on-jean-claude-juncker-1.1989770 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, tebee said: We have already agreed to the severance payment and that NI will remain part of the CU and SM - we are still sorting out citizens rights though - the UK gov published a proposal today but it's still lacking in detail. 23 minutes ago, The Renegade said: ??? Who has ? ??? Did you attend a special school tebee ? It's in the withdrawal bill that just been passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Renegade said: I suspect that there is not many in the UK that are qualified for aircraft manufacture period, regardless of whether they are leavers or remainers. I must congratulate you on posting yet another piece of garbage. It appears you really are an expert in your field. Well we certainly managed to lose much of our aerospace industry with little difficulty. Great result. Many Brexiters moaning about competition for jobs are really concerned about spud bashing jobs rather than engineering or technology jobs or those that require significant education. You are correct that we have insufficient people who are qualified for high tech jobs. No doubt you blame the EU for that rather than our burgeoning underclass of anti elitists. I am indeed in Stockholm to receive my Nobel prize for arrogance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why on earth are you so desperate to reduce the discussion to insulting brexiteers??? Only responding to what I read here. No complaints about foreigners stealing our robotics jobs or tooling jobs or bioengineering jobs. Only spud badgers being undercut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, transam said: More like insulting the UK..... No, just tired of the EU being blamed for our own failings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Renegade said: You do not understand hypocrisy or irony, do you ? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/luxembourg-leaks-will-put-spotlight-on-jean-claude-juncker-1.1989770 Of course I do. Just explaining the core issue for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Grouse said: No, just tired of the EU being blamed for our own failings. That is incredibly funny...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Grouse said: I suspect a high proportion of Brexiters are qualified for spud bashing but not aircraft manufacture ? All the British who used to go fruit picking, now claim welfare while Poles and Romanians do the work. There's probably more Brits suitable and available for 'spud bashing' than there are for 'aircraft manufacture' Most natives of any country seek menial low paid work. Once you take that away from them, their only choices are welfare, drugs and petty crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, Grouse said: I suspect a high proportion of Brexiters are qualified for spud bashing but not aircraft manufacture ? 1 minute ago, Grouse said: Only responding to what I read here. No complaints about foreigners stealing our robotics jobs or tooling jobs or bioengineering jobs. Only spud badgers being undercut And you continue with the 'generalised' insults!..... Surely you're not 'trollling' - hoping for personal insults in response - that you can report to the mods. in the hope of getting the thread closed again.... ☹️ ? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 42 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why on earth are you so desperate to reduce the discussion to insulting brexiteers??? Because it's about all that’s left in Grouse’s severely depleted arsenal 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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