Former FBI No.2 McCabe fired; claims he is being targeted

[mtls2005]

I think everyone, other than POTUS of course, is looking to the IG's report before making too many pronouncements?

 

Being fired by Jeff Sessions for "lack of candor" is a bit rich.

 

 

[Becker]

Of course McCabe is being targeted. The sack of pus in the WH is getting more and more desperate and is attacking everyone not willing to go down on him.

May the day soon come when Mueller will deliver the goods on the criminal activities of the man-child or may he suffer from a massive cardiac arrest - anything to get him out of the WH.

Even Pence will be an improvement as president for the remaining time of this presidency (and I don't say that lightly as the guy is a religious nut case).

[lannarebirth]

16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I think everyone, other than POTUS of course, is looking to the IG's report before making too many pronouncements?

 

Being fired by Jeff Sessions for "lack of candor" is a bit rich.

 

 

 

If by "lack of candor" they mean lying by omission then that is indeed a fireable offense for FBI agents. They have a specific code of conduct they are  meant to adhere to. I don't know if he did or he didn't but if he did you would get fired for that if in the FBI. And if Catholic, throw in an additional 5 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers.

Edited March 18, 2018 by lannarebirth

[Thakkar]

19 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yes, he was correctly  targeted all right for covering up Clinton email details and telling falsehoods before Congress. 

 

Yes, make up your own facts, why don’t you.

The truth is that he was accused by press reports of dragging out the Clinton investigation (something that was detrimental to Clinton and benefited Trump). He denied those press reports (an assertion he was deemed not authorized to make) and later lied about those denials. These, taken together were deemed fireable offenses. He appealed to the DOJ as is his right and the DOJ uncharacteristically fast tracked the appeal, it appears, to please Trump’s mean girl desire to deny the man his pension.

 

This potentially opens another track of inquiry as to whether Trump inappropriately pressured the DOJ in their appeals review process.

[Thakkar]

Eric Holder (‪@EricHolder‬)

17/3/18, 17:17

 

Analyze McCabe firing on two levels: the substance and the timing. We don’t know enough about the substance yet. The timing appears cruel and a cave that compromised DOJ independence to please an increasingly erratic President who should’ve played no role here. This is dangerous

[BobBKK]

20 hours ago, oilinki said:

This is purely sending message: "Don't investigate my matters, or I will punish you personally."

 

 

 

 

And who investigated him?  if you think Trump you are deluded as it was an internal FBI disciplinary investigation so your comment is waaaaaaay off target and part of the conspiracy paranoia to suit a political agenda.

[marginline]

Great job.

Now the Department of Justice only has to work all the way down to #34,998, #34, 999 and #35,000. 

[ilostmypassword]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 

And who investigated him?  if you think Trump you are deluded as it was an internal FBI disciplinary investigation so your comment is waaaaaaay off target and part of the conspiracy paranoia to suit a political agenda.

It would be one thing if the President had repeatedly insulted McCabe, called for an investigation, and threatened his Attorney General. But since none of that could possibly have happened, your point is unimpeachable.

[mtls2005]

It looks like at least two Congressional Reps have offered McCabe staff positions, for at least as long as he needs to get his pension.

 

In other news,

 

 

[Thakkar]

14 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

It would be one thing if the President had repeatedly insulted McCabe, called for an investigation, and threatened his Attorney General. But since none of that could possibly have happened, your point is unimpeachable.

Please. Trump is a President. Of the world’s premier power with the world’s largest economy and military whose culture and innovations touch every corner of the globe, and parts of the solar system. He is not some two-bit Kardashian who would engage in petty twitter feuds and playground insults.

[punchjudy]

just a quick reminder of the lies and deception that come from Mueller

 

 

[simple1]

IMO a good summary of the firing of McCabe and scenarios

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

[BobBKK]

4 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

It would be one thing if the President had repeatedly insulted McCabe, called for an investigation, and threatened his Attorney General. But since none of that could possibly have happened, your point is unimpeachable.

 

He insulted him because he knew of the connections to HRC and his 'politicking'.  Senior disciplinary procedures within the FBI recommended he be fired and you cannot possibly connect this to Trump. He lied, they say, so let him Appeal the dismissal if he has grounds.

[Thakkar]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

IMO a good summary of the firing of McCabe and scenarios

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

 

Thanks. That’s a great explainer of the issue. I love this site.

[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

IMO a good summary of the firing of McCabe and scenarios

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

 

Well it poses as a decent look at the story and then goes on to show bias by saying the 'timing' was wrong?  the article says 'wait' then goes on to challenge timing. This guy was dismissed from the Dep  post in January and it's taken this long to find out he has lied, they say, and they cannot justify not dismissing due to his pension rights!  As I said before let him Appeal. 

 

Whether he was right or wrong the FBI has a strict code of candor and not lying to investigators. He either lied or he did not.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

IMO a good summary of the firing of McCabe and scenarios

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

 

"The FBI takes telling the truth extremely seriously: “lack of candor” from employees is a fireable offense—and people are fired for it. Moreover, it doesn’t take an outright lie to be dismissed. In one case, the bureau fired an agent after he initially gave an ambiguous statement to investigators as to how many times he had picked up his daughter from daycare in an FBI vehicle". 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

"McCabe is not innocent of wrongdoing. He made a questionable call (at best) about allowing a leak to the press during the 2016 campaign and then he appears to have lied about it, though he says it was an honest mistake. You can imagine a normal administration, and a normal process, weighing McCabe’s actions carefully and seriously"

.https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/17/17133284/donald-trump-andrew-mccabe-jeff-sessions-fired-former-fbi-director

The  recommendation by the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR),FBI office that handles discipline said to fire him.  Vox ,the #2 man in the FBI "made a questionable call (at best)". The # 2 man in the FBI lied and leaked in one of the top investigations in USA history and it is minimized as questionable at best,how profound is that!

      So here sits McCabe being questioned by the IG about his role in the Clinton Investigation. Under questioning he says he answered " truthfully and as accurately as I could amidst the chaos that surrounded me" .So he didn't know what questions where going to be asked,then after questioning he leaves and thinks about his answers and decides to call investigators to make them understand his answers that he should of gave.

[marginline]

15 minutes ago, riclag said:

"The FBI takes telling the truth extremely seriously: “lack of candor” from employees is a fireable offense—and people are fired for it.

With respect riclag that's never, EVER been my personal experience of the FBI. However; I have only had to deal with their Los Angeles office in the Wilshire Federal Building.

 

I've been seeking justice, to tell the truth now for 14-years. And when they did finally agree to graciously (and that's not meant as sarcasm krub) respond, they cited a couple of statutes which sadly actually caught them in a couple of lies.

 

I can only hope President Trump can reestablish the FBI's reputation because it saddens me to see what I once truly believed to be the crown jewels of law and order - to be in such disarray.

Edited March 18, 2018 by marginline

[simple1]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 

Well it poses as a decent look at the story and then goes on to show bias by saying the 'timing' was wrong?  the article says 'wait' then goes on to challenge timing. This guy was dismissed from the Dep  post in January and it's taken this long to find out he has lied, they say, and they cannot justify not dismissing due to his pension rights!  As I said before let him Appeal. 

 

Whether he was right or wrong the FBI has a strict code of candor and not lying to investigators. He either lied or he did not.

As the details of the IG report will not be known until sometime in the Northern Spring, there will be a great deal of ongoing conjecture. Mueller has McCabe's and Comey's memos of their meetings with Trump, both have made vigorous denials of the allegations. We will have to see what  conclusions Muller makes of the incredible amount of noise generated by Trump.

 

I for one view the timing of the firing of McCabe as vindictive and cruel. Trump's tweets leave no doubt in my mind he is unfit to hold the Office of the President of the USA

[riclag]

1 hour ago, marginline said:

With respect riclag that's never, EVER been my personal experience of the FBI. However; I have only had to deal with their Los Angeles office in the Wilshire Federal Building.

 

I've been seeking justice, to tell the truth now for 14-years. And when they did finally agree to graciously (and that's not meant as sarcasm krub) respond, they cited a couple of statutes which sadly actually caught them in a couple of lies.

 

I can only hope President Trump can reestablish the FBI's reputation because it saddens me to see what I once truly believed to be the crown jewels of law and order - to be in such disarray.

It's not my words,its lawfareblog. I used quotation marks.With respect to your comment about  PT  and him helping and restoring the FBI,that's a stretch,especially when Dem's offers to hire McCabe to help him qualify for his pension.What McCabe did is being minimized by the left( to suggest cruelty by PT),where's the outrage for what # 2 of FBI for lying and leaking!

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378923-dem-offers-to-hire-mccabe-to-help-him-qualify-for-his-pension

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-firing-andrew-mccabe

Edited March 18, 2018 by riclag

[Thakkar]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I for one view the timing of the firing of McCabe as vindictive and cruel.

 

This January tweet from Trump indicates that Trump was looking to be punitive:

 

Donald J. Trump

 

✔@realDonaldTrump

 

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!

3:30 AM - Dec 24, 2017

 

The reprimand May or may not have been warranted and the punishment of firing him may or may not have been the appropriate type of reprimand—we’ll know that when the full report is released. The timing is most definitely punitive.

[Thakkar]

I guess it’s just a happy happenstance for Trump that all of the contemporaneous witnesses to Trump trying to obstruct James Comey by pressuring him to stop the Russia investigation, have now been fired or otherwise pushed aside.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-told-mccabe-rybicki-baker-trump-fired-2018-3

[ilostmypassword]

"McCabe acted improperly enough that it is possible to justify his termination. But Trump and Sessions have acted improperly enough that it is hard to trust the process that led to McCabe’s termination, or to believe that this is anything but what it looks like: an effort to punish and humiliate a perceived political enemy, and to send a message to others who might investigate Trump that they do so at their peril.

This is the problem with a White House occupied by a vengeful chief executive who has little respect for institutional independence, rule of law, or government transparency."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/17/17133284/donald-trump-andrew-mccabe-jeff-sessions-fired-former-fbi-director

[jcsmith]

1 hour ago, marginline said:

I can only hope President Trump can reestablish the FBI's reputation because it saddens me to see what I once truly believed to be the crown jewels of law and order - to be in such disarray.

Considering it is Trump who has been the one leading the charge to tarnish their reputation, I doubt that is what he is interested in. He's interested in tarnishing the reputations of those who will be making statements that will be used against him in the Mueller case.

Edited March 18, 2018 by jcsmith

[riclag]

 Where is the outrage against McCabe the # 2 man in the FBI! These people would of never got fired(Comey and McCabe )if they weren't showing  and acting out on their bias  during and after the Clinton server Investigation!

  More damming facts coming  that further link "ANDY" of Andy's office Insurance Policy fame and others to deligitimize and conspire to unseat a duly elected POTUS .His associate boss(Comey) will also answer to condoning McCabe's despicable actions. This is all leading up to the doctrine of the Fruit of the Poisonous  Tree .

"McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel"

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-counsel

Edited March 18, 2018 by riclag

[ilostmypassword]

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Where is the outrage against McCabe the # 2 man in the FBI! These people would of never got fired(Comey and McCabe )if they weren't showing  and acting out on their bias  during and after the Clinton server Investigation!

  More damming facts coming  that further link "ANDY" of Andy's office Insurance Policy fame and others to deligitimize and conspire to unseat a duly elected POTUS .His associate boss(Comey) will also answer to condoning McCabe's despicable actions.

"McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel"

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-counsel

Except of course McCabe's firing had nothing to do with Trump and actually was about alleged actions he took that hurt Clinton. So much for his alleged pro-Democratic prejudice.

[riclag]

55 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Except of course McCabe's firing had nothing to do with Trump and actually was about alleged actions he took that hurt Clinton. So much for his alleged pro-Democratic prejudice.

There is still a investigation into Comey,McCabe and others:

The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) will initiate a review of allegations regarding certain actions by the Department of Justice (Department) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in advance of the 2016 election.

If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.Including the Mueller Investigation.

https://www.themarketswork.com/2017/12/15/the-inspector-generals-implied-oversight/

 

 

 You responded to my post :Where is the outrage against McCabe the # 2 man in the FBI! These people would of never got fired(Comey and McCabe )if they weren't showing  and acting out on their bias  during and after the Clinton server Investigation!

  More damming facts coming  that further link "ANDY" of Andy's office Insurance Policy fame and others to deligitimize and conspire to unseat a duly elected POTUS .His associate boss(Comey) will also answer to condoning McCabe's despicable actions.

"McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel"

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-counsel

Edited March 18, 2018 by riclag

[ilostmypassword]

31 minutes ago, riclag said:

There is still a investigation into Comey,McCabe and others:

The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) will initiate a review of allegations regarding certain actions by the Department of Justice (Department) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in advance of the 2016 election.

If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.Including the Mueller Investigation.

https://www.themarketswork.com/2017/12/15/the-inspector-generals-implied-oversight/

 

 

 You responded to my post :Where is the outrage against McCabe the # 2 man in the FBI! These people would of never got fired(Comey and McCabe )if they weren't showing  and acting out on their bias  during and after the Clinton server Investigation!

  More damming facts coming  that further link "ANDY" of Andy's office Insurance Policy fame and others to deligitimize and conspire to unseat a duly elected POTUS .His associate boss(Comey) will also answer to condoning McCabe's despicable actions.

"McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel"

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-counsel

The problem is that all these investigations are tainted by Trump's calling for them and insulting and threatening Sessions. His behavior in this matter, as in many others, is blatantly unethical.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

The problem is that all these investigations are tainted by Trump's calling for them and insulting and threatening Sessions. His behavior in this matter, as in many others, is blatantly unethical. 

I understand your frustrations and I agree with the investigations being tainted, but not by PT or others calling for them.Some of the insults are blatantly used in self defense while others lack political correctness .

Edited March 18, 2018 by riclag

[ilostmypassword]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

I understand your frustrations and I agree with the investigations being tainted, but not by PT or others calling for them.Some of the insults are blatantly used in self defense while others are PC incorrect.

If you saw a foreign leader insulting the head of his law enforcement agency and calling for investigations, prosecutions, and incarceration for his political opponents, would that strike you as good governance? And you just categorize this kind of thing as PC incorrect?  It's the kind of behavior that' people from developted nations once expected from the leaders of banana republics where the rule of law is weak but not from a constitutional democracy based on respect for law.

Edited March 18, 2018 by ilostmypassword

[riclag]

54 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

If you saw a foreign leader insulting the head of his law enforcement agency and calling for investigations, prosecutions, and incarceration for his political opponents, would that strike you as good governance? And you just categorize this kind of thing as PC incorrect?  It's the kind of behavior that' people from developted nations once expected from the leaders of banana republics where the rule of law is weak but not from a constitutional democracy based on respect for law.

Respect for the law !The topic is McCabe fired,claims he is being targeted. It was suggested by the law that he be fired because he abused the law,the strict standards of the FBI.