Trump ousts McMaster, taps super-hawk Bolton as national security adviser

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

I would rather see the world go to war than keep ongoing the way it has been for the past few decades.

  Let Bolton go for it. 

  Maybe the world needs a  war to get it back on track with sensible thinkers not we can fix things with candles and warm fuzzy's..

 I would gladly let a bomb take me out if it meant there would be some sanity brought back to this world.

Most people aren't as suicidal as you.  Wishing for war is not sane. 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Real Americans think of  American values and what made America of the past and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS, that the liberals are spewing to bring down change from the last 40 years .

    Bolton is a hero, a patriotic American who has served before and will use his experience of diplomacy with  help from others in the administration , in maintaining and sustaining  America and American values.

What has Bolton done that was heroic? 

[ballpoint]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Most people aren't as suicidal as you.  Wishing for war is not sane. 

Therefore, a bomb taking him out would increase the average IQ of the world and make it a saner place.

[Jingthing]

No way did I intend to say the young cannot decide on their future . What i was saying they have been mislead and ill educated and will make bad choices as they have been doing and creat more anarchy in America.. They have a choice,what ever their choice is and will live with it that is reality. But there is still a chance that they can learn about what America was and maybe with some positive effort correct the damage done .
  The young ones you mention from the sixties were the ones to lead the way for the poor condition the country is in. They were nuts and degenerates. and America is paying the price for listening to them.and letting them have an influence 

America was when? Jim Crow times?

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[Becker]

21 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

Life lessons  not institutional 

 To much to educate you about  on a forum

LOL! Talk about running away from a question like a little girl.

Very manly of you!

[attrayant]

14 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Therefore, a bomb taking him out would...

 

be followed by artillery shelling of Seoul and who knows what kind of ICBMs randomly shot up into the atmosphere in a defensive panic.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, lovelomsak said:

The problem is only the old people know what really made America in the past and the only ones that care about the real America, The young one have been force fed what you describe  below.

and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

  The young only know the garbage they were taught. So anarchy is all they will ever know unless some strong guys step up and do some hard work to bring America back to American standards.

Are you referring to the old people who can pivot from "Things were better in my day." to "In my day we had it tough." without realizing it?

 

The new globalist rubbish world is more peaceful and prosperous with less poverty, better education, and greater longevity than in any time in history.  The US did more than any other nation to promote this better world through policies such as the Marshall Plan and by key roles in establishing the UN and the World Trade Organization.

 

I'm sixty now, and I can't think of any time in my life when things were better than now.  Granted there are problems, some very serious, that need to be dealt with.  But in my opinion young people are more aware of these problems and willing to deal with them than their elders.

 

Of course I'm old enough to know that some people aren't happy unless they're complaining about something.  I won't name names...

[jenny2017]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This has got to be the most chaotic, least organized, and most incompetent leader, and administration in recent history. Every day brings more chaos. Little Don cannot help but shoot himself in the foot daily. The little bit of talent that the administration had, is leaving in droves. They are fleeing the most radioactive man in America. Now he appoints John Bolton? This man is not qualified to lead the boy scout chapter of Indianapolis. He should be kept as far away from foreign policy decisions as possible, with his hateful and toxic views. I give him 90 days, before he is dismissed. 

 

Tiny DT. The art of moving America backwards, and lowering the quality of life for the average American. 

The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life. 

The art of losing talent in droves, and replacing them with sycophantic fools, devoid of talent or experience. Like The appointment of Lynne Patton, a wedding planner and longtime Trump family associate, to head the Housing and Urban Development's office for New York and New Jersey, and the talk show host that he just appointed as a chief economic advisor, because he talk smooth and looks good on TV. Good one Don. 

 

The art of not being able to fill vacancies, and leading a nation, without the help of key appointees. The Trump administration will usher in the second quarter of its presidential term with hundreds of vacancies still left to fill in departments throughout the administration. According to the Washington Post and Partnership for Public Service, only 241 key positions requiring Senate confirmation — out of 633 — have been confirmed as of Jan. 18, with 244 positions still without a nominee. The 633 key positions are a small portion of over 1,200 total positions requiring Senate confirmation, the Post noted. Trump’s sluggish staffing stands in stark contrast to his predecessors. According to the Post, Trump had 301 total confirmed nominees by Jan. 18, as compared with 452 confirmations by former President Barack Obama, 493 by George W. Bush and 471 by Bill Clinton at the same point in their terms. 

At the same time is an Ex-Playboy model trying to apologize to his wife for having had sex with her husband while they were married. What sort of a man is Trump? He's so good in slagging off other people or just firing them. really disgusting/. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/karen-mcdougal-to-melania-im-sorry-for-sleeping-with-donald-trump.html

[ballpoint]

52 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

be followed by artillery shelling of Seoul and who knows what kind of ICBMs randomly shot up into the atmosphere in a defensive panic.

I didn't realise lovelomsak was such an important global figure.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

What has Bolton done that was heroic? 

It's getting to the stage when civilised European countries are going to require visas from American visitors together with a letter from their mums.

 

Very worrying that people have these ideas

[tonbridgebrit]

All the hawks in Washington are dangerous, and Bolton is the most dangerous hawk of all.

This man really does believe that Iran is a threat and danger to world peace, I think he really is mad enough to attack Iran. We're living in scary and dangerous times.

[Grouse]

I think the Koreas are going to get together DESPITE the USA and avoid a Vietnam disaster. They have more in common than divides them. Japan WILL need support in coming to terms with this.

 

 

[Grouse]

I wonder if Bolton has the fortitude to walk down to Times Square in New York with that moustache! A fitting denouement!

[tonbridgebrit]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yesterday I was concerned that Trump's talks with Kim would lead to selling out US allies in Asia.  Now I'm concerned it will lead to war.

 

19 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think the Koreas are going to get together DESPITE the USA and avoid a Vietnam disaster. They have more in common than divides them. Japan WILL need support in coming to terms with this.

Hello Grouse. Bolton has been appointed. I believe "now I'm concerned it will lead to war".

Is it that hard to imagine that Bolton will convince Donald Trump that North Korea must be attacked. And then, Trump turns up at whatever meeting with North Korea, and Trump says "look fatboy, you're dangerous, I'm going to bomb you". Trump's going to say that to Kim of North Korea ?

Edited March 23, 2018 by tonbridgebrit

[dunroaming]

2 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Life lessons  not institutional 

 To much to educate you about  on a forum

Got to smile at that .  You really think you could teach me anything about life?  I am one of those old people who changed the world in the 60's.  Not American but from the same revolutionary mindset.  I was at the Grosvenor Square demonstration to get the Vietnam war stopped  (and getting layed  by a very cool Californian girl as it happened ).  

 

Reading your posts convinces me that you could teach me nothing but I think you have got an awful lot to learn my friend.

[lovelomsak]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Are you referring to the old people who can pivot from "Things were better in my day." to "In my day we had it tough." without realizing it?

 

The new globalist rubbish world is more peaceful and prosperous with less poverty, better education, and greater longevity than in any time in history.  The US did more than any other nation to promote this better world through policies such as the Marshall Plan and by key roles in establishing the UN and the World Trade Organization.

 

I'm sixty now, and I can't think of any time in my life when things were better than now.  Granted there are problems, some very serious, that need to be dealt with.  But in my opinion young people are more aware of these problems and willing to deal with them than their elders.

 

Of course I'm old enough to know that some people aren't happy unless they're complaining about something.  I won't name names...

A very well written post.

  I will take the time to explain better what I meant.I will not arque what America did for the world but will show what happened to America. Trump is about making America great again not the world. I will explain how America was great and where it is now. It will not be a book consider it a proloque ok.

  America was prosperous in the 50's there was lots of work. People had good jobs good pay. They could afford new cars and live in the suburbs. Education was affordable, racial issues were staring to be dealt with.,women  were coming out of the home and entering the work force.. There was much positive change and everything was moving forward.

  Then the 60's. Turn on , tune in , drop out. Drugs ,sex rock and roll. This decade could not deal with prosperity. They rebelled against the establishment.. They were privileged and felt very entitled but did not want responsibility.. thought  working at a factory was below them.But would not seek higher levels. All James Deans. The special interest groups took root. The black panthers set up shop.  Women's lib started.This decade  had the that generation lived to see anarchy from their choices when they were proving they would as the next generation do it their way..

  Fast forward to today. Drugs every where. No jobs, whole cities in decay. Shooting at schools,now bombs with out a reason.The country is in chaos. Riots on the streets. Illegal immigrants feel entitled and get support Anarchy has arrived

  Only people who lived through the 50's even know how good America was and what it lost. Most of what destroyed the US was the result of the changes that came about from 60's  and the new views on how to do things. As one poster put it 

    this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

 People who never lived in the good times do not even know what they are so they cannot relate simple as that.

  One poster questioned about the young people making the choices for their own future . Well think deep before they act is all I say. Look at what the 60's did and try not to make the same mistakes. To make a mistake once is a mistake to make the same mistake repeatedly is insanity

 

[lovelomsak]

11 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Got to smile at that .  You really think you could teach me anything about life?  I am one of those old people who changed the world in the 60's.  Not American but from the same revolutionary mindset.  I was at the Grosvenor Square demonstration to get the Vietnam war stopped  (and getting layed  by a very cool Californian girl as it happened ).  

 

Reading your posts convinces me that you could teach me nothing but I think you have got an awful lot to learn my friend.

You are right I probably could not educate you but then probably no one could so I donot feel to bad. 

[dunroaming]

4 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

A very well written post.

  I will take the time to explain better what I meant.I will not arque what America did for the world but will show what happened to America. Trump is about making America great again not the world. I will explain how America was great and where it is now. It will not be a book consider it a proloque ok.

  America was prosperous in the 50's there was lots of work. People had good jobs good pay. They could afford new cars and live in the suburbs. Education was affordable, racial issues were staring to be dealt with.,women  were coming out of the home and entering the work force.. There was much positive change and everything was moving forward.

  Then the 60's. Turn on , tune in , drop out. Drugs ,sex rock and roll. This decade could not deal with prosperity. They rebelled against the establishment.. They were privileged and felt very entitled but did not want responsibility.. thought  working at a factory was below them.But would not seek higher levels. All James Deans. The special interest groups took root. The black panthers set up shop.  Women's lib started.This decade  had the that generation lived to see anarchy from their choices when they were proving they would as the next generation do it their way..

  Fast forward to today. Drugs every where. No jobs, whole cities in decay. Shooting at schools,now bombs with out a reason.The country is in chaos. Riots on the streets. Illegal immigrants feel entitled and get support Anarchy has arrived

  Only people who lived through the 50's even know how good America was and what it lost. Most of what destroyed the US was the result of the changes that came about from 60's  and the new views on how to do things. As one poster put it 

    this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

 People who never lived in the good times do not even know what they are so they cannot relate simple as that.

  One poster questioned about the young people making the choices for their own future . Well think deep before they act is all I say. Look at what the 60's did and try not to make the same mistakes. To make a mistake once is a mistake to make the same mistake repeatedly is insanity

 

Priceless!  By the way James Dean was the fifties not the sixties.  So the old people who "know" are from the fifties then.  Given that these old people who were adults then would be at least a hundred now, how many do you know?   The world has moved on and evolved., thank god!  But according to you the rot started in the sixties and has continued ever since culminating in anarchy now?  So for the last sixty years America has been going down the plughole?  Pretty much all of your life then?  A pity you for having such a terrible time when the rest of us were actually quite enjoying it. 

[Jingthing]

Be very afraid.

Also, from now on anyone that believes any future tweet from "trump" saying something is "fake news" is not grounded in reality. His words are totally worthless. He's the biggest liar of any president in history and that's just one of the many things that are very wrong with him.

Quote

 

Why Trump's choice of John Bolton should terrify you

...

As New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg recently observed, one after another, the people who are supposed to be "checking Donald Trump's worst instincts and most erratic whims" have departed. But this doesn't mean Trump is getting back to being who he always wanted to be. It means he is increasingly listening to people who are good at exploiting and shaping those instincts and whims.

 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-john-bolton-war-20180323-story.html

[khunken]

Yes - the Economist just puts it in a different way. Bolton is a 'carpenter' a middling wrestler who is the fall guy for the big name:

https://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2018/03/thunder-bolton

 

It's all fake but highly dangerous. Wouldn't be surprised if the Doomsday Clock is moved a notch closer to midnight.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

At the same time is an Ex-Playboy model trying to apologize to his wife for having had sex with her husband while they were married. What sort of a man is Trump? He's so good in slagging off other people or just firing them. really disgusting/. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/karen-mcdougal-to-melania-im-sorry-for-sleeping-with-donald-trump.html

You are being too kind.  Trump was having sex with a porn star and a Playboy centerfold while his latest wife was recovering from childbirth and raising his newborn son.  Can any *sshole possibly be more on an *sshole than that?

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

I think the Koreas are going to get together DESPITE the USA and avoid a Vietnam disaster. They have more in common than divides them. Japan WILL need support in coming to terms with this.

Going back decades I remember a briefing from a well informed person who said the two Germanies (yes, back then) were more likely to go to war over who would rule the united country than over the unification.  Happily that didn't happen.

 

Who will rule the united Korea, and how will the question be decided?

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

A very well written post.

  I will take the time to explain better what I meant.I will not arque what America did for the world but will show what happened to America. Trump is about making America great again not the world. I will explain how America was great and where it is now. It will not be a book consider it a proloque ok.

  America was prosperous in the 50's there was lots of work. People had good jobs good pay. They could afford new cars and live in the suburbs. Education was affordable, racial issues were staring to be dealt with.,women  were coming out of the home and entering the work force.. There was much positive change and everything was moving forward.

  Then the 60's. Turn on , tune in , drop out. Drugs ,sex rock and roll. This decade could not deal with prosperity. They rebelled against the establishment.. They were privileged and felt very entitled but did not want responsibility.. thought  working at a factory was below them.But would not seek higher levels. All James Deans. The special interest groups took root. The black panthers set up shop.  Women's lib started.This decade  had the that generation lived to see anarchy from their choices when they were proving they would as the next generation do it their way..

  Fast forward to today. Drugs every where. No jobs, whole cities in decay. Shooting at schools,now bombs with out a reason.The country is in chaos. Riots on the streets. Illegal immigrants feel entitled and get support Anarchy has arrived

  Only people who lived through the 50's even know how good America was and what it lost. Most of what destroyed the US was the result of the changes that came about from 60's  and the new views on how to do things. As one poster put it 

    this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

 People who never lived in the good times do not even know what they are so they cannot relate simple as that.

  One poster questioned about the young people making the choices for their own future . Well think deep before they act is all I say. Look at what the 60's did and try not to make the same mistakes. To make a mistake once is a mistake to make the same mistake repeatedly is insanity

 

The 1950's.  When the top marginal income tax rate was 91% and income inequality was much lower than now.  If you are calling for a return to that, I'm willing to consider your arguments.  But I think you are recalling the time with selective memory.

 

The early 1950's was when those who had served in World War II had an obscure clause in their contract used to call them up, after they had started civilian life after a horrible war, to serve in the meat-grinder of the Korean War.  I worked with a vet who had bitter memories of that.  And let's not forget McCarthy and his life ruining nonsense.  Also, if you weren't a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) male, there were other issues.  But mostly I know that Mom, who knows more than a little about hard times, has no fond memories of life and how hard it was to pay the bills in the 1950's.

 

I probably shouldn't, but I can't resist commenting on the "Drugs every where" part.  My father, who was a real cowboy (all purpose work-boots when times were good, riding barefoot when times were hard) worked his way through college in the 1950's (to do anything  better than cowboy work) any way he could, including running whiskey.  Prohibition only partially ended with the 21st amendment in 1933, and the country, especially in the Bible belt, was still a patchwork of wet and dry counties.  My father came from a hard-working, practical "whatever it takes" background, and when there is good money to be made by discretely moving a product from A to B, why not take advantage? 

 

Practical people, especially the hungry ones, will always move product when there is demand and money to be made.  We (in the US and other places) really need to rethink our drug laws.

 

BTW:  This was my WASP family experience.  I'm sure those from less privileged circumstances have harder stories to tell.

 

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by heybruce

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

At the same time is an Ex-Playboy model trying to apologize to his wife for having had sex with her husband while they were married. What sort of a man is Trump? He's so good in slagging off other people or just firing them. really disgusting/. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/karen-mcdougal-to-melania-im-sorry-for-sleeping-with-donald-trump.html

And she is claiming at least twice a week, for 10 months. That is about 90 instances of infidelities. And that is just one gal. Stormy was about the same time. And the grab them by the pussy thing was also happening at that time. He is a sex freak. The president is a sex freak. No real issue for me personally, but when he disparaged Al Franken for pretending to touch a woman's breast, it shows the manic hypocrisy, and the utter lack of sincerity. All he has is attack mode. That is all this man possesses, besides his hatred for the common man, people of color and anyone who is not a white male american, worth over $5 million. 

 

Welcome to the Don Show. 

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

I would rather see the world go to war than keep ongoing the way it has been for the past few decades.

  Let Bolton go for it. 

  Maybe the world needs a  war to get it back on track with sensible thinkers not we can fix things with candles and warm fuzzy's..

 I would gladly let a bomb take me out if it meant there would be some sanity brought back to this world.

It is very obvious you have never been on the front lines, in a war. And it is also obvious you have not thought through the potential consequences of a war with either Iran or North Korea. Both could be long, protracted wars, and both could end up costing $10-20 trillion each. That would essentially bankrupt the US. Iran has alot of cash and oil reserves. They would fight to the death, and hire mercenaries and terrorists, to wage a massive campaign of terror on American soil. Same probably applies to North Korea. Except there, the silos are hidden, and hardened, and virtually impossible to find. And the only targets available would result in catastrophic civilian casualties. Nice to know you are ok with slaughtering civilians. 

 

But, we now have a National Security advisor who likes entering into wars that are unwinnable, and cost trillions. And we have a "leader" who got five deferrments, and showed the world what a coward he truly is, when it came time to put his orange butt on the line. So, perhaps you are right. If the GOP is trailing come september or october, Tiny Don might decide a war is the only way to win the mid term elections. He probably thinks like that. He does not care. He would be sending alot of brown people to fight, and none are millionaires. So, they do not really count.

Edited March 23, 2018 by spidermike007

[selftaopath]

11 hours ago, attrayant said:

I think this is fake news because just ONE WEEK ago the White House said this:

 

Fake? Is that the new word for lie? This entire administration is a pack of LIARS. I wouldn't believe one word they say. I usually do not listen to them or look at them. They turn my stomach. I sincerely hope they get what they truly deserve. Lies and liars are the enemy of the people/democracy/America.

 

[lovelomsak]

9 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Priceless!  By the way James Dean was the fifties not the sixties.  So the old people who "know" are from the fifties then.  Given that these old people who were adults then would be at least a hundred now, how many do you know?   The world has moved on and evolved., thank god!  But according to you the rot started in the sixties and has continued ever since culminating in anarchy now?  So for the last sixty years America has been going down the plughole?  Pretty much all of your life then?  A pity you for having such a terrible time when the rest of us were actually quite enjoying it. 

Some of you like to point out useless stuff huh. Referring to James Dean is to refer to rebels without a cause which he was the posterboy for. Not a period of time. Try and stay with the program.

The world has moved on but and has evolved . But what it has evolved into is worse than it was . Do you want to see it deteriorate more?

  Yes US has been rotting since the 60's  and anarchy has arrived nice you finally took notice.

My life was great thank you  had the 57 chevy, the power boat on the lake,the muscle car of the 60's travelled sailed,raced boats on the ocean not on a lake,had women at my whim. Retired at 57. 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by lovelomsak

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Some of you like to point out useless stuff huh. Referring to James Dean is to refer to rebels without a cause which he was the posterboy for. Not a period of time. Try and stay with the program.

The world has moved on but and has evolved . But what it has evolved into is worse than it was . Do you want to see it deteriorate more?

  Yes US has been rotting since the 60's  and anarchy has arrived nice you finally took notice.

My life was great thank you  had the 57 chevy, the power boat on the lake,the muscle car of the 60's travelled sailed,raced boats on the ocean not on a lake,had women at my whim. Retired at 57.

It was possible to have a good, affluent life when the top income tax rate was 91%.  Thank you for bringing that up.

Edited March 24, 2018 by heybruce

[lovelomsak]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

It was possible to have a good, affluent life when the top income tax rate was 91%.  Thank you for bringing that up.

I am sorry I do not understand what top income tax rate was 91%. means. help me out here .Clarify so I understand please.

  I thought about this and was wondering are you saying that people were paying 91 % of their income in taxes?  If so never mins replying I have no time for BS

Edited March 24, 2018 by lovelomsak

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I am sorry I do not understand what top income tax rate was 91%. means. help me out here .Clarify so I understand please.

Also known as "tax bracket", the top marginal income tax rate on income above a certain level was 91% from 1951 through 1963.  https://www.bing.com/search?q=us+income+tax+rate+history+chart&qs=AS&pq=us+income+tax+rate+history&sk=AS1&sc=4-26&cvid=960AA898224E4A459256AB0CF9CDC1E1&FORM=QBLH&sp=2

 

The "good old days" that many Trump supporters long for were a time of very high tax rates, money spent on education and infrastructure, and low deficits.   Republicans promising to slash government spending, cut taxes, and greatly increase the national debt are not taking us back to those good times.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by heybruce