Roads jammed as 30,000 people line up for free herbal cancer ‘cure’

[attrayant]

37 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Why not.....?

Even Jesus didn't have any professional education and is supposed having cured sick people. And he could walk on a lake.....

So what?

 

Invoking a fairy tale in support of a fraud - perfect!

 

Somebody needs to take some of these capsules to get them analyzed and see what percentage of boogers and roach droppings they contain.

[tandor]

3 hours ago, grumbleweed said:

A minor inconvenience.

 

By the way, we have a special name for alternative treatment that actually works. It's called medicine

 

..desperate people do desperate things..the 30,000 people i mean...maybe the 'untrained herbal magician physician' is desperate too.

Edited April 2, 2018 by tandor

[geriatrickid]

Whether he was a medical doctor  would not matter as  MDs, have rarely if ever been the ones who have developed the effective treatments. The specialists are  pharmacologists, microbiologists, geneticists, organic chemists, botanists, etc.  The physician is usually the  the equivalent of the  delivery boy.   

 

 

56 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Why not.....?

Even Jesus didn't have any professional education and is supposed having cured sick people. And he could walk on a lake.....

So what?

Well I heard that he was jewish and I read somewhere that you want a jewish doctor if the going is tough.

 

48 minutes ago, DavisH said:

30K is a lot of people. I guess the ill and dying will be willing to try anything. Some hope is better than no hope at all. I wonder if any of these ingredients have been tested. Can you sue if you die after taking this free "cure"..

Nope. No clinical trials. No idea if there are any side effects or adverse reactions.  The sad part of this event is that these are probably people who have terminal cancer or who cannot access full cancer care. Many people on TVF do not appreciate that the poor and disadvantaged cannnot afford full cancer care, or do not have the means to undergo  chemotherapy or radiation treatments. Also many people decline the treatments because they are scared or  because no one has taken the time to explain it to them.

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Nope. No clinical trials. No idea if there are any side effects or adverse reactions.  The sad part of this event is that these are probably people who have terminal cancer or who cannot access full cancer care. Many people on TVF do not appreciate that the poor and disadvantaged cannot afford full cancer care, or do not have the means to undergo  chemotherapy or radiation treatments. Also many people decline the treatments because they are scared or  because no one has taken the time to explain it to them.

 

There are others who look at how their family's finances will be devastated for years- even decades- by the cost, and choose not to seek treatment.  And others who fully understand the treatments and still opt out for a few more months/years of quality life instead of undergoing very toxic treatments and suffering, in the hope that they'll be one of the lucky ones whose treatment will result in a remission.  For the unlucky ones, the treatment bankrupts the family, causes immense suffering, and shortens their life.  Odds are getting better every year, but they still stink for a lot of the cancers.

 

[Bluespunk]

Is this the guy who had a major hissy fit sulk a few months back, when the relevant authorities were dragging their heels in registering him as a “traditional healer” or something suchlike?

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, Xaos said:

Why Thai ppl are so gullible?

I just looked up gullible in my dictionary, but I see it's been removed from the list.

 

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Why not.....?

Even Jesus didn't have any professional education and is supposed having cured sick people. And he could walk on a lake.....

So what?

Special sandals.

And webbed feet,

 

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

And webbed feet,

 

Well !!!!!!!

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Why not.....?

Even Jesus didn't have any professional education and is supposed having cured sick people. And he could walk on a lake.....

So what?

 

[sawadee1947]

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

There are others who look at how their family's finances will be devastated for years- even decades- by the cost, and choose not to seek treatment.  And others who fully understand the treatments and still opt out for a few more months/years of quality life instead of undergoing very toxic treatments and suffering, in the hope that they'll be one of the lucky ones whose treatment will result in a remission.  For the unlucky ones, the treatment bankrupts the family, causes immense suffering, and shortens their life.  Odds are getting better every year, but they still stink for a lot of the cancers.

 

For the unlucky ones, the treatment bankrupts the family, causes immense suffering, and shortens their life.  Odds are getting better every year, but they still stink for a lot of the cancers.

 

Why cancer Treatment bankrupts families???  It costs 30 Baht only

 

 

[Bangkok Barry]

This non-doctor is way behind. I remember a few years ago a Thai university announced that it had found a cure for cancer. A pity they forgot to share it with the rest of the world.....

 

http://www.medical-tourism-in-thailand.com/dr-sommai-tongprasert.html

[chippendale]

Stupidity is a cancer. There is no cure for that, judging by this story alone.

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post.

[joeyg]

47 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Whether he was a medical doctor  would not matter as  MDs, have rarely if ever been the ones who have developed the effective treatments. The specialists are  pharmacologists, microbiologists, geneticists, organic chemists, botanists, etc.  The physician is usually the  the equivalent of the  delivery boy.   

 

 

Well I heard that he was jewish and I read somewhere that you want a jewish doctor if the going is tough.

 

Nope. No clinical trials. No idea if there are any side effects or adverse reactions.  The sad part of this event is that these are probably people who have terminal cancer or who cannot access full cancer care. Many people on TVF do not appreciate that the poor and disadvantaged cannnot afford full cancer care, or do not have the means to undergo  chemotherapy or radiation treatments. Also many people decline the treatments because they are scared or  because no one has taken the time to explain it to them.

" The physician is usually the  the equivalent of the  delivery boy.   "   That's a good one...

[lvr181]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Brain cancer... Because all the people lining up for this guy's pills clearly are in the advanced stages thereof.

 

You cannot cure what they haven't got...........................brains. 

[lvr181]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So I don't begrudge the guy- if he honestly believes he's doing something good.

My strike thru.

 

Somehow I doubt that. As many in Thailand say "Nothing for Free".

[billd766]

17 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

My strike thru.

 

Somehow I doubt that. As many in Thailand say "Nothing for Free".

 

If nothing is for free in Thailand, can you explain why he is giving them away for free?

 

He is also giving away for free some hope and faith.

[Guest Jerry787]

its could be very easy, allow medical cannabis to be legally cultivated, once ready make cannabis THC and CNB oil, give 1 ot 2 grams a day to any cancer patient, you will have 95% of recovering with almost none side effect.

of course its not possible, big pharma will not make billions out of it !

same duodenal ulcer, greek rubber/lattex cost a little and cure the issue and kill the ecoli bacterias , indeed no more maalox and omoprazole business....

there will be one day that governments will really work for the people and not for the money making corporations, lets not stop hope!

 

 

[Benmart]

4 hours ago, joeyg said:

I have had some connection with Mahidol University in the past. Their department of herbal pharmacology and Botany where well-developed and well organized.  Thai doctors used to receive training in Traditional Thai Medicine as well as Allopathic Medicine.  I incorporated Herbal pharmacology and treatment into my integrated medical practice in the states with great success. I lectured on this in most of the major hospitals and universities in Southern California.  Honestly I am skeptical of this guy  treating a case is not like stamping out Christmas cookies. Each case must be taken on a Individual basis with a detailed medical history and exam. In addition  10 capsules of what might even be a valid formulation is not going to cure anybody. If you do some research you'll see the tremendous strides are being made with  phyto-medicines.  This is documented in many of the major research journals and university teaching hospitals. About 40% of all pharmaceutical medicine is still plant-based.  Cannabis oil is showing tremendous promise in the treatment of cancer.    So much so a couple of the major pharmaceutical companies are trying to take over the whole thing.  Bottom line is the real art in practice medicine is adjusting to time and circumstance and knowing what to use when.

Thank you for your informative and well written post. So much of what is shared on TVF is filled with hate, negativity and uncivil rhetoric.

[lvr181]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

If nothing is for free in Thailand, can you explain why he is giving them away for free?

 

He is also giving away for free some hope and faith.

And he is not looking/expecting/hoping for donations?

[Zack61]

If this guy has something Big Pharma will ruthlessly do everything in it’s power to discredit him and his so called cure. 

Do not be influenced by all the misinformation out there about the benefits of herbal medicine. Mother Nature, I am sure, does possess a cure and who is to say this guy doesn’t have something beneficial. The problem with natural remedies is that Big Pharma can’t patent the cure and where’s the profit in that? Keep an open mind and don’t believe the naysayers because their opinions are shaped by what Bug Pharma has been programming us / them to think. Without the interference of the almighty dollar and the influence it has over governments I have no doubt a natural cure would already be available. 

Shoot me down if you wish but I believe this to be true and not something to be ridiculed by those who have not taken time to look deeper than what we’ve  been brainwashed into believing. I for one am prepared to see what this guy has to offer. 

[attrayant]

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

If this guy has something Big Pharma will ruthlessly do everything in it’s power to discredit him and his so called cure. 

 

If 30 thousand people take this magic pill and even half of them recover from their cancer, there will be nothing that your "Big Pharma" boogeyman will be able to do about it.  What do you imagine they could even do?

 

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

Mother Nature, I am sure, does possess a cure

 

Being sure without evidence?  That's basically a religion.  What is so special about nature?  Nature is full of things that will kill you in short order.  Our various body parts are being oxidized (thanks, oxygen!) and our skin is damaged by UV radiation (thanks, sunshine!).

 

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

and who is to say this guy doesn’t have something beneficial.

 

The default position is that something is not beneficial until it is proven to be so.  If life worked the way you suppose, everything in nature would be assumed to be beneficial until eaten or drunk and made people sick or dead.  I prefer my remedies to be tested for safety, if you don't mind.

 

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

The problem with natural remedies is that Big Pharma can’t patent the cure and where’s the profit in that?

 

Why is that a problem? And is that even true?  Thousands of perfectly natural hybrid plants have been patented.  All-natural Cotton Candy Grapes, for example.  It says right in their FAQ:

 

"[O]ur unique vines are patented and unavailable for sale or licensing."

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

Without the interference of the almighty dollar and the influence it has over governments I have no doubt a natural cure would already be available.

 

Ever heard of the HPV vaccine?  It's so effective that Australia could become first country to eradicate cervical cancer.  Also, you should learn a little something about cancer.  From the American Cancer Society:

 

"There are many types of cancer. It’s not just one disease. Cancer can start in the lungs, the breast, the colon, or even in the blood. Cancers are alike in some ways, but they are different in the ways they grow and spread."

 

Which is why the HPV vaccine is effective against cancers caused by the human papilpoma virus but not against lung cancer.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

I believe this to be true

 

Your beliefs notwithstanding, remedies need to be tested for safety as well as efficacy.  Otherwise every street corner will have its own quack peddling his miracle herbal cure, Dr. Oz style while gullible believers empty their bank accounts hoping for a miracle.

 

Cancer woo is the worst.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, lvr181 said:

And he is not looking/expecting/hoping for donations?

 

I have no idea. Do you?

 

Why not contact him and ask? He probably has a Facebook or some other social media site.

[Krataiboy]

6 hours ago, joeyg said:

I have had some connection with Mahidol University in the past. Their department of herbal pharmacology and Botany where well-developed and well organized.  Thai doctors used to receive training in Traditional Thai Medicine as well as Allopathic Medicine.  I incorporated Herbal pharmacology and treatment into my integrated medical practice in the states with great success. I lectured on this in most of the major hospitals and universities in Southern California.  Honestly I am skeptical of this guy  treating a case is not like stamping out Christmas cookies. Each case must be taken on a Individual basis with a detailed medical history and exam. In addition  10 capsules of what might even be a valid formulation is not going to cure anybody. If you do some research you'll see the tremendous strides are being made with  phyto-medicines.  This is documented in many of the major research journals and university teaching hospitals. About 40% of all pharmaceutical medicine is still plant-based.  Cannabis oil is showing tremendous promise in the treatment of cancer.    So much so a couple of the major pharmaceutical companies are trying to take over the whole thing.  Bottom line is the real art in practice medicine is adjusting to time and circumstance and knowing what to use when.

I gather Big Pharma can't patent the hemp plant as it occurs naturally. Trust them to try and monopolise the oil, a traditional remedy for many conditions which as you rightly say is gaining ground as a cancer treatment.

 

I remember seeing a video on YouTube a while ago of a Canadian guy who claimed to have cured friends of external and internal cancers using hemp oil. Before Big Oil - of which Big Pharma is of course the primary offshoot - hemp and other natural remedies were widely used.

 

The story of how Big Oil magnates like the Rockefellers spent millions of dollars and displaced these inexpensive proven natural remedies with their own dubious products made from the left-overs of gasoline production is a real eye opener and well worth a Google.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Krataiboy

[joeyg]

13 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

I gather Big Pharma can't patent the hemp plant as it occurs naturally. Trust them to try and monopolise the oil, a traditional remedy for many conditions which as you rightly say is gaining ground as a cancer treatment.

 

I remember seeing a video on YouTube a while ago of a Canadian guy who claimed to have cured friends of external and internal cancers using hemp oil. Before Big Oil - of which Big Pharma is of course the primary offshoot - hemp and other natural remedies were widely used.

 

The story of how Big Oil magnates like the Rockefellers spent millions of dollars and displaced these inexpensive proven natural remedies with their own dubious products made from the left-overs of gasoline production is a real eye opener and well worth a Google.

yep.  You nailed it...

[joeyg]

18 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

I gather Big Pharma can't patent the hemp plant as it occurs naturally. Trust them to try and monopolise the oil, a traditional remedy for many conditions which as you rightly say is gaining ground as a cancer treatment.

 

I remember seeing a video on YouTube a while ago of a Canadian guy who claimed to have cured friends of external and internal cancers using hemp oil. Before Big Oil - of which Big Pharma is of course the primary offshoot - hemp and other natural remedies were widely used.

 

The story of how Big Oil magnates like the Rockefellers spent millions of dollars and displaced these inexpensive proven natural remedies with their own dubious products made from the left-overs of gasoline production is a real eye opener and well worth a Google.

It's to bad, "practitioners" like this give legitimate well educated Herbalists a bad name. If nothing else.  His 10 capsule packets are not for any kind of treatment with herbs.  There is a rich history of of Traditional Herbal Medicine in all cultures.  The use of herbs and herbal formulas were formalized by the Chinese thousands of years ago.  There are  many texts on this topic that have still have not been translated into English.  Tibetan monks and monks in India developed very sophisticated systems of Traditional medicine.  The Ayurvedic system, from, India, has only become popularized over the past 25 years or so.

 

It's unfortunate that the majority of unqualified and or poorly trained Practitioners around today evoke the immediate response that this medicine is "snake oil."  And it's completely understandable that many think like that.

 

I could go on but back on topic.  I read about this guy before.  IMHO he's not "kosher"  I'm sure somewhere behind the scenes there are some rich benefactors that are paying for preferential treatment.  There's usually more to it than meets the eye.

 

I use a lot of herbs in my diet,  teas,  powders and extracts.  I have gotten familiar with the Thai compendium and get herbal medicines from vendors or at the weekend markets.  Most that I see are "food grade" and quite safe.  The big concern though is the potential for interaction with certain Pharmaceutical drugs. Of special concern are high blood pressure medications and blood thinning medications. The interactions can be almost immediate and fatal. So in my opinion, certainly if you're on pharmaceutical meds They should only be used under the guidance of someone who is well-trained and has good clinical experience. 

[Krataiboy]

41 minutes ago, joeyg said:

It's to bad, "practitioners" like this give legitimate well educated Herbalists a bad name. If nothing else.  His 10 capsule packets are not for any kind of treatment with herbs.  There is a rich history of of Traditional Herbal Medicine in all cultures.  The use of herbs and herbal formulas were formalized by the Chinese thousands of years ago.  There are  many texts on this topic that have still have not been translated into English.  Tibetan monks and monks in India developed very sophisticated systems of Traditional medicine.  The Ayurvedic system, from, India, has only become popularized over the past 25 years or so.

 

It's unfortunate that the majority of unqualified and or poorly trained Practitioners around today evoke the immediate response that this medicine is "snake oil."  And it's completely understandable that many think like that.

 

I could go on but back on topic.  I read about this guy before.  IMHO he's not "kosher"  I'm sure somewhere behind the scenes there are some rich benefactors that are paying for preferential treatment.  There's usually more to it than meets the eye.

 

I use a lot of herbs in my diet,  teas,  powders and extracts.  I have gotten familiar with the Thai compendium and get herbal medicines from vendors or at the weekend markets.  Most that I see are "food grade" and quite safe.  The big concern though is the potential for interaction with certain Pharmaceutical drugs. Of special concern are high blood pressure medications and blood thinning medications. The interactions can be almost immediate and fatal. So in my opinion, certainly if you're on pharmaceutical meds They should only be used under the guidance of someone who is well-trained and has good clinical experience. 

I, too, have researched natural substances as a preferable substitute for pharmaceutical drugs, which often have unpleasant and serious side effects and are generally pretty costly. Your point about being careful about mixing the two is very pertinent for anybody seeking an alternative to the usual doctors prescriptions for common conditions such high blood pressure. Good health!

[Media1]

broken dreams 

[lvr181]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I have no idea. Do you?

 

Why not contact him and ask? He probably has a Facebook or some other social media site.

I posed the question.

[billd766]

6 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

I posed the question.

 

I answered it.