Hungary's strongman Viktor Orban wins third term in power

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

And some people need to learn history.  It is a common falsehood that you believe.

 

National Socialist Workers Party - otherwise known as the NAZIs.

The Nazis started as a left-wing party. 

 

The Nazis believed they were a superior race because they believed in evolution (not creation).

The Nazis hated the Christian Church and all religions (they reached a truce with the Pope).

The Nazis entrenched Atheism in all aspects of German society. 

The Nazis passed laws that allowed abortions.

The Nazis setup a centralised socialist government that controlled all of society.

The Nazis provided government Healthcare.

The Nazis provided government-run education.

The Nazis stated that individuals should be sacrificed for the greater good of society.

The Nazis were the first in world to pass environmental protections laws.

The Nazis were one of the first to pass animal rights protections laws.

 

Does that list sound left-wing or right-wing to you??

Remember I am talking about the 1930s - only 10 years after the 19th Amendement in USA (outlawing banning women from voting) - nearly 90 years ago.  

 

NO - not everything the Nazis did was 'left-wing' - they also did 'right-wing' things.

BUT - the Nazis became neithger left nor right - they became something else.

The Nazis became racist homophobic sadistic murderers.

NO - being a racist homophobic sadistic murderer is not 'right-wing'.

It is despotic psychotic madness and Hitler and the Nazi leadership embodied all of that.

 

To state that the Nazis were 'right-wing' is plainly false - no matter what the liberal teachers and left-wing websites have told you. They were not 'left-wing' either - they started left-wing and became despotic psychotic racist murderers.

 

 

Don't be so damned foolish. They specifically chose the name to undermine the communists. ?

 

10 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

How is it 'tragic'. It was a democratic decision arrived at by the Hungarian electorate.  They've not been at the receiving end of any Islamic terrorist atrocities because of the stand made by Orban.

 

By contrast the UK, the US, France, Germany,  Belgium, Sweden and Spain have. And ones that have proven to be extremely 'tragic'

Again, the naivety is astonishing! Or ban is using a perceived  threat as a shield for corruption generally and nepotism in particular. I have no time for Muslims but I would kick Hungary out of the EU as an example. Pass the Bulls Blood!

[Jingthing]

 
How is it 'tragic'. It was a democratic decision arrived at by the Hungarian electorate.  They've not been at the receiving end of any Islamic terrorist atrocities because of the stand taken over the years by Orban. That's why they keep voting for him.
 
By contrast the UK, the US, France, Germany,  Belgium, Sweden and Spain have. And ones that have proven to be extremely 'tragic'

My understanding is that the majority of Hungarians oppose him but failed in their tactics and split the opposition.

Sorry I can't really get past the white nationalist fascism and antisemitism. I have visited Hungary and have some feeling about that there.

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[Grouse]

IBM used to have a plant at Székesfehérvár making "blades" for mainframes. Can't see foreign direct investment continuing with mobsters.

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, oilinki said:

Even those who are opposing EU and Juncker, must give credit for this one. :D

Juncker calling Hungarian PM as dictator, directly to his face. Typical Juncker :)

 

 

Well said

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Can I add something to your accurate,well summarized  comment. They  forcefully controlled the media  as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

 

Horrifying to read such posts on TV. This is how it all happens. Ignorance and demagoguery. Look it up

Edited April 9, 2018 by Grouse

[yogi100]

23 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Don't be so damned foolish. They specifically chose the name to undermine the communists. ?

 

Again, the naivety is astonishing! Or ban is using a perceived  threat as a shield for corruption generally and nepotism in particular. I have no time for Muslims but I would kick Hungary out of the EU as an example. Pass the Bulls Blood!

 

I'm English and I'd gladly have some one like Orban running our country if the recent acts of carnage that Muslims have imposed upon us such as the London bombings and the Manchester Arena atrocities could have been avoided.

 

Wouldn't you? If you don't then you must consider all those deaths and maimings a price worth paying for our having them come to live among us.

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

 

Horrifying to read such posts on TV. This is how it all happens. Ignorance and demagoguery. Look it up

Are you denying that the nazi party forcefully controlled the media in Germany

[Jingthing]

Trying to suggest that Nazis were/are leftists rather than what they were /are hard core right wing fascists is classic Nazi revisionist disinformation propaganda. It is sickening how many people here are actually promoting such filth.

 

You can find the exact same filth on any neo Nazi website.

 

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[simple1]

11 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

And some people need to learn history.  It is a common falsehood that you believe.

 

National Socialist Workers Party - otherwise known as the NAZIs.

The Nazis started as a left-wing party. 

 

The Nazis believed they were a superior race because they believed in evolution (not creation).

The Nazis hated the Christian Church and all religions (they reached a truce with the Pope).

The Nazis entrenched Atheism in all aspects of German society. 

The Nazis passed laws that allowed abortions.

The Nazis setup a centralised socialist government that controlled all of society.

The Nazis provided government Healthcare.

The Nazis provided government-run education.

The Nazis stated that individuals should be sacrificed for the greater good of society.

The Nazis were the first in world to pass environmental protections laws.

The Nazis were one of the first to pass animal rights protections laws.

 

Does that list sound left-wing or right-wing to you??

Remember I am talking about the 1930s - only 10 years after the 19th Amendement in USA (outlawing banning women from voting) - nearly 90 years ago.  

 

NO - not everything the Nazis did was 'left-wing' - they also did 'right-wing' things.

BUT - the Nazis became neithger left nor right - they became something else.

The Nazis became racist homophobic sadistic murderers.

NO - being a racist homophobic sadistic murderer is not 'right-wing'.

It is despotic psychotic madness and Hitler and the Nazi leadership embodied all of that.

 

To state that the Nazis were 'right-wing' is plainly false - no matter what the liberal teachers and left-wing websites have told you. They were not 'left-wing' either - they started left-wing and became despotic psychotic racist murderers.

 

 

Fully agree with Grouse's comments, appalling TVF members are posting support for Nazi Germany.

 

The above post and members seeking to justify the comments are a common meme from supporters / apologists for the alt right / far right which has been thoroughly discredited. Some examples below, there are many more.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

 

http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-democrats-socialists-alt-right-650572

 

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by simple1

[simple1]

9 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Good for the Ozzies. Now get ready to blush.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-christian-refugees-syria-lord-george-carey-discrimination-archbishop-of-canterbury-muslims-a7681446.html

 

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/exclusive-why-are-there-so-few-christian-refugees-from-syria-in-the-uk/97283.htm

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11748943/UK-is-denying-refuge-to-Christians-fleeing-Isil-say-church-leaders.html

 

Is your plate full yet?

UK outsources the selection of refugees for resettlement to the UN. Australia has its own representatives in the camps and under extreme political pressure to preference Christians from Syria. Some Arab Christians have established organised crime gangs in Australia, not all are actually "Christian", so following on from member comments of migrant crime in Germany and elsewhere do you think Arab Christians should be banned entry?

 

Do UK Christian representatives acknowledge Christians support the Assad dictatorship and vice versa? Not a fair comparison to state only 1% of Christian refugees admitted from Syria even though they represent approx 10% of Syrian population. Ignores the fact Christians mostly reside in Assad protected areas, fight for and support the extremely cruel and corrupt Assad dictatorship.

 

Christians who are targeted by the Assad regime should be considered for refugee status, though a very long wait as only 1% of refugees are resettled annually by the UN due to lack of resettlement places offered by the global community. As an example you probably read Trump has cut US intake by 50%. NB: it is not an orderly sequential queue.

[simple1]

11 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

That is because the Aust Govt refuses to accept the UN preferred refugees (predominately Muslims) and goes direct to the source and UN refugee camps and selects mainly Christian refugees. Aust has been openly criticised by the UN for doing this and ignoring their demands that they accept more Muslims.  Look it up and then admit you are wrong (yet again). I aint holding my breath. 

Wrong. I did not post incorrect info regarding Oz Arab Christian refugee intake. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by simple1

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

I'm English and I'd gladly have some one like Orban running our country if the recent acts of carnage that Muslims have imposed upon us such as the London bombings and the Manchester Arena atrocities could have been avoided.

 

Wouldn't you? If you don't then you must consider all those deaths and maimings a price worth paying for our having them come to live among us.

I for one have no problem with Orban style objections to Muslim immigration.

 

However, the mugs fail to see that he uses this nationalism as a smoke screen to limit freedom of the press and the judiciary. His bare faced corruption and nepotism is astonishing. Hungary should be suspended from the EU until it agrees to EU standards of civilisation. It's not a soviet country anymore. Welcome to the West but if you can't behave, bugger off.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

I for one have no problem with Orban style objections to Muslim immigration.

 

However, the mugs fail to see that he uses this nationalism as a smoke screen to limit freedom of the press and the judiciary. His bare faced corruption and nepotism is astonishing. Hungary should be suspended from the EU until it agrees to EU standards of civilisation. It's not a soviet country anymore. Welcome to the West but if you can't behave, bugger off.

OK BuaBS, what precicisely do you find sad about my view point?

[Krataiboy]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

UK outsources the selection of refugees for resettlement to the UN. Australia has its own representatives in the camps and under extreme political pressure to preference Christians from Syria. Some Arab Christians have established organised crime gangs in Australia, not all are actually "Christian", so following on from member comments of migrant crime in Germany and elsewhere do you think Arab Christians should be banned entry?

 

Do UK Christian representatives acknowledge Christians support the Assad dictatorship and vice versa? Not a fair comparison to state only 1% of Christian refugees admitted from Syria even though they represent approx 10% of Syrian population. Ignores the fact Christians mostly reside in Assad protected areas, fight for and support the extremely cruel and corrupt Assad dictatorship.

 

Christians who are targeted by the Assad regime should be considered for refugee status, though a very long wait as only 1% of refugees are resettled annually by the UN due to lack of resettlement places offered by the global community. As an example you probably read Trump has cut US intake by 50%. NB: it is not an orderly sequential queue.

You can run but you can't hide.

[simple1]

31 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

You can run but you can't hide.

Whatever. Your comment does rule out the FACT that many Western countries have taken in Arab Christians, though with the likes of Trump coming into power refugee programs have been severely cut back. e.g. Trump cut US refugee intake from 100k to 50k p.a. Plus of course the damage to migrant programs by the OP person and to put it politely, right of center, pressure on governments whose POV is all refugees are either Muslim or "illegals". Prior to Trump coming to power, USA hosted the largest Iraqi Christian population outside of Iraq, don't know current stats. An example from the USA...

 

US director of church mobilization for World Relief. The humanitarian arm of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), World Relief is one of nine agencies authorized to resettle refugees in the US, and has resettled more than 250,000 over the past 35 years.

[Krataiboy]

The way things are going in Europe demographically, for those relatively few Christians who have been admitted it could prove to be a case of out of the Muslim frying pan into the Islamic fire.

[simple1]

An international study of demographic trends shows that Europe’s Christian population is expected to shrink by about 100 million people in the coming decades, dropping from 553 million in 2010 to 454 million in 2050.

While Christians will remain the largest religious group in Europe, they are projected to drop from three-quarters of the population to less than two-thirds.

By 2050, nearly a quarter of Europeans (23 per cent) are expected to have no religious affiliation, and Muslims will make up about 10 per cent of the region’s population, up from 5.9 per cent in 2010.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/europe-s-christian-population-falls-amid-rise-of-atheists-and-muslims-1.3039114

 

[ELVIS123456]

22 hours ago, riclag said:

Can I add something to your accurate,well summarized  comment. They  forcefully controlled the media  as well.

Thanks riclag - forgot about that one.  The Nazis took over print, books, magazines and all forms of the public receiving information.  Anything that did not conform with their manifesto was censored and eliminated.  

 

Just remembered another one - they confiscated guns from 'unsuitable' people, particularly Jews, as they did not want an armed insurrection to ever take place.

 

[Krataiboy]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

An international study of demographic trends shows that Europe’s Christian population is expected to shrink by about 100 million people in the coming decades, dropping from 553 million in 2010 to 454 million in 2050.

While Christians will remain the largest religious group in Europe, they are projected to drop from three-quarters of the population to less than two-thirds.

By 2050, nearly a quarter of Europeans (23 per cent) are expected to have no religious affiliation, and Muslims will make up about 10 per cent of the region’s population, up from 5.9 per cent in 2010.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/europe-s-christian-population-falls-amid-rise-of-atheists-and-muslims-1.3039114

 

A few months ago, The Pew Research Centre published a report which gave low, medium and high projections for the likely Muslim population of Europe by 2050.

 

I'm a believer in always preparing for the worst case scenario, so I have reproduced High forecast. This shows Sweden leaving everybody standing with a whopping 30 percent Muslim population, more than ten percent ahead of its closest European rivals Denmark, Germany and Belgium.

 

When the 2011 census was taken in my own homeland, the UK, Islam was already the second largest religion there with 2.8 million followers, or 4.4 per cent of the total population. If this latest estimate proves correct, the Muslim presence will almost quadruple over the next thirty years or so. Pew's Medium scenario for the UK is only slightly lower, with a prediction 16.7 percent Muslim. 

 

The report also reveals numerous other little known disquieting facts about Muslim immigration - for example that from 2010-16 the UK took in more Muslim immigrants than any European country, including Germany, between 2010 and 2016.

 

It also confirms another disturbing reality for students of demographics - that incoming Muslims tend to be younger than the indigenous population and generally produce considerably larger families.

 

The Muslims who mostly make the headlines are luckless refugees from fighting in their own homelands. However, relatively few recent Islamic immigrants to the UK (60,000) have been refugees and the vast majority economic migrants. Altogether, 43 percent of all migrants to the UK between mid-2010 and mid-2016 were Muslims, with Pakistan -  largest contributor to those notorious UK grooming gangs -  among the main countries of origin.

 

The report a must read for anyone, religious or not, interested in the the demographics behind Islam's ongoing and seemingly unstoppable conquest of Europe. http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Krataiboy

[simple1]

Thanks for confirming your fanaticism. BTW from the worse case Pew Report to which you refer which does not reflect reality...

a “high” migration scenario projects the record flow of refugees into Europe between 2014 and 2016 to continue indefinitely into the future with the same religious composition (i.e., mostly made up of Muslims) in addition to the typical annual flow of regular migrants. In this scenario, Muslims could make up 14% of Europe’s population by 2050 – nearly triple the current share, but still considerably smaller than the populations of both Christians and people with no religion in Europe.

AND...

nearly half of all recent migrants to Europe (47%) were not Muslim, with Christians making up the next-largest group.

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎4‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 10:15 AM, Swimman said:

The rise of extreme right-wing politics in Europe is a concern. Before applauding people should remember history .........

Exactly right, and Mekel's mob have been responsible with their erroneous policies on immigration. Nothing happens for no reason, and the far right's rise was caused by the myriad problems caused by mass immigration of people with nothing in common with the host nations.

When it all goes wrong, and Merkel et al are wondering what happened, they only need look in a mirror.

[Odysseus123]

On 4/9/2018 at 9:04 PM, ELVIS123456 said:

And some people need to learn history.  It is a common falsehood that you believe.

 

National Socialist Workers Party - otherwise known as the NAZIs.

The Nazis started as a left-wing party. 

 

The Nazis believed they were a superior race because they believed in evolution (not creation).

The Nazis hated the Christian Church and all religions (they reached a truce with the Pope).

The Nazis entrenched Atheism in all aspects of German society. 

The Nazis passed laws that allowed abortions.

The Nazis setup a centralised socialist government that controlled all of society.

The Nazis provided government Healthcare.

The Nazis provided government-run education.

The Nazis stated that individuals should be sacrificed for the greater good of society.

The Nazis were the first in world to pass environmental protections laws.

The Nazis were one of the first to pass animal rights protections laws.

 

Does that list sound left-wing or right-wing to you??

Remember I am talking about the 1930s - only 10 years after the 19th Amendement in USA (outlawing banning women from voting) - nearly 90 years ago.  

 

NO - not everything the Nazis did was 'left-wing' - they also did 'right-wing' things.

BUT - the Nazis became neithger left nor right - they became something else.

The Nazis became racist homophobic sadistic murderers.

NO - being a racist homophobic sadistic murderer is not 'right-wing'.

It is despotic psychotic madness and Hitler and the Nazi leadership embodied all of that.

 

To state that the Nazis were 'right-wing' is plainly false - no matter what the liberal teachers and left-wing websites have told you. They were not 'left-wing' either - they started left-wing and became despotic psychotic racist murderers.

 

 

Your attempt to describe the NSDAP as "left wing" would have puzzled the exceedingly right wing General Erich Ludendorff as he marched beside Hitler during the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923.

 

Perhaps you could send General Ludendorff an email or two to correct his quaint notion that he was in cahoots with a militaristic,nationalistic party?

 

Oh..and please inform every member of the KPD and SPD as well...they would have enjoyed the grim joke.

[yogi100]

5 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Your attempt to describe the NSDAP as "left wing" would have puzzled the exceedingly right wing General Erich Ludendorff as he marched beside Hitler during the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923.

 

Perhaps you could send General Ludendorff an email or two to correct his quaint notion that he was in cahoots with a militaristic,nationalistic party?

 

Oh..and please inform every member of the KPD and SPD as well...they would have enjoyed the grim joke.

 

Whether the Nazi Party was a left or right wing political movement is totally irrelevant where the situation today is concerned.

 

That was nearly a century ago. Circumstances have changed and we have not just been through a conflict like the Great War which left Germany as an aggrieved nation looking for what they considered to be justice.

 

There was no threat of Islamic aggression into the continent like there is now. Every European nation was more nationalistic than it is now. But that does not mean that nationalism is no longer with us.

 

Today many if not most Europeans think that multiculturalism has been a failure, Angela Merkel herself said it had been a failure back in 2010. So why has she changed coats and invited millions of third worlders to come and live among us thereby compounding that failure.

 

Just as an example when not one British citizen was consulted on the question of immigration why did the politicians go ahead and implemented it anyway. That example applies to all Western European countries. It's storing up trouble for the future.

 

As the right gradually gains more support as without doubt it is doing and when conflict erupts it will be the fault of the those who have imposed multiculturalism upon us. You can't force different peoples to live in harmony. It's rarely happened anywhere in the world especially when Islam is thrown into the mix.

 

When people in an apologist society like Germany start supporting the AfD and nationalist political parties are springing up all over Europe something is obviously wrong and it's plain a colossal  tremendous mistake has been made.

[Odysseus123]

Just now, yogi100 said:

 

Whether the Nazi Party was a left or right wing political movement is totally irrelevant where the situation today is concerned.

 

That was nearly a century ago. Circumstances have changed and we have not just been through a conflict like the Great War which left Germany as an aggrieved nation looking for what they considered to be justice.

 

There was no threat of Islamic aggression into the continent like there is now. Every European nation was more nationalistic than it is now. But that does not mean that nationalism is no longer with us.

 

Today many if not most Europeans think that multiculturalism has been a failure, Angela Merkel herself said it had been a failure back in 2010. So why has she changed coats and invited millions of third worlders to come and live among us thereby compounding that failure.

 

Just as an example when not one British citizen was consulted on the question of immigration why did the politicians go ahead and implemented it anyway. That example applies to all Western European countries. It's storing up trouble for the future.

 

As the right gradually gains more support as without doubt it is doing and when conflict erupts it will be the fault of the those who have imposed multiculturalism upon us. You can't force different peoples to live in harmony. It's rarely happened anywhere in the world especially when Islam is thrown into the mix.

 

When people in an apologist society like Germany start supporting the AfD and nationalist political parties are springing up all over Europe something is obviously wrong and it's plain a colossal  tremendous mistake has been made.

That is-in an insane way-totally correct.

 

However,I was responding to a post-let us be charitable-which was historically incorrect in every way.

 

Nobody would like to see historically incorrect information being trumpeted about the Internet,would they?

 

It is generally labelled "presentism" amongst historical circles-projection of present day situation/ideaologies on to the past.

 

I am reminded of an elderly Portuguese gentleman who informed me that his family had been outpriced by the the French who imported Moroccan and Algerian Muslims to undercut a centuries old tradition.

 

You want your overstuffed cake?You can eat it too.

 

Europe has been doing it for years.

[yogi100]

17 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

That is-in an insane way-totally correct.

 

However,I was responding to a post-let us be charitable-which was historically incorrect in every way.

 

Nobody would like to see historically incorrect information being trumpeted about the Internet,would they?

 

It is generally labelled "presentism" amongst historical circles-projection of present day situation/ideaologies on to the past.

 

I am reminded of an elderly Portuguese gentleman who informed me that his family had been outpriced by the the French who imported Moroccan and Algerian Muslims to undercut a centuries old tradition.

 

You want your overstuffed cake?You can eat it too.

 

Europe has been doing it for years.

 

But not on the scale that we've seen in recent decades especially since 2003.

 

It was the question of immigration that caused Brexit. Joe Bloggs does not care about trade and economics. The MSM and the establishment did not even remotely consider that the leave brigade could ever win and CMD who was an fervent remainer announced that whatever the result was it would be final and not open to discussion afterwards.

 

The same went for Trump. The media totally underestimated the mood of the people regarding immigration into the USA and his attitude towards it regarding Muslims and immigrants from South American countries won him the presidency.

Edited April 11, 2018 by yogi100

[Odysseus123]

9 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

But not on the scale that we've seen in recent decades especially since 2003.

 

It was the question of immigration that caused Brexit. Joe Bloggs does not care about trade and economics. The MSM and the establishment did not even remotely consider that the leave brigade could ever win and CMD who was an fervent remainer announced that whatever the result was it would be final and not open to discussion afterwards.

 

The same went for Trump. The media totally underestimated the mood of the people regarding immigration into the USA and his attitude towards it regarding Muslims and immigrants from South American countries won him the presidency.

Trump was outvoted.

 

Have you ever spoken to the average American re his historical knowledge?

 

They are even worse than Australians and that is saying a very great deal,indeed.

 

My post was merely in response to a totally woeful lack of historical knowledge-I do not give a fig for dopey Europeans who merely want to kill themselves (or others) with great gusto and have been doing so for a thousand years.

 

My great grandfather..

My grandfather..and uncles and cousins..

My father..and relatives..

 

Time to call it quits on European and British morons.

[yogi100]

26 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

That is-in an insane way-totally correct.

 

However,I was responding to a post-let us be charitable-which was historically incorrect in every way.

 

Nobody would like to see historically incorrect information being trumpeted about the Internet,would they?

 

It is generally labelled "presentism" amongst historical circles-projection of present day situation/ideaologies on to the past.

 

I am reminded of an elderly Portuguese gentleman who informed me that his family had been outpriced by the the French who imported Moroccan and Algerian Muslims to undercut a centuries old tradition.

 

You want your overstuffed cake?You can eat it too.

 

Europe has been doing it for years.

 

How is it 'insane' if it's totally correct.

 

Insanity implies a high degree of madness and lunacy and a need for institutionalisation.  

[sanuk711]

7 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Trump was outvoted.

So was the British Prime minister, who didn't even get enough seats to govern, so brought them from a party in Ireland. So was the German Prime minister who also didn't win enough seats to govern so had to make a coalition with other parties (that seems to be falling apart) nothing much is said about these results, there just accepted as the norm in Politics....But Trump who under the rules won the election with a landslide of seats not seen since the 80s......Oh wow we have just got to keep repeating how he didn't really win it.

[Odysseus123]

5 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

How is it 'insane' if it's totally correct.

 

Insanity implies a high degree of madness and lunacy and a need for institutionalisation.  

That is correct and it describes the NSDAP to a "T"

 

No-one is interested in Europeans any more.They have been off their miserable heads for a thousand years.

 

The present peace has been enforced by the USA and Russia-otherwise it has been a continent of belligerent psychopaths who-until the last extremis-cannot get along.

 

The Hungarians are useless and the Poles are worse.

 

Do not talk to me about the Germans.

 

Get a grip.

Edited April 11, 2018 by Odysseus123

[yogi100]

32 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Trump was outvoted.

 

Have you ever spoken to the average American re his historical knowledge?

 

They are even worse than Australians and that is saying a very great deal,indeed.

 

My post was merely in response to a totally woeful lack of historical knowledge-I do not give a fig for dopey Europeans who merely want to kill themselves (or others) with great gusto and have been doing so for a thousand years.

 

My great grandfather..

My grandfather..and uncles and cousins..

My father..and relatives..

 

Time to call it quits on European and British morons.

 

It was known that it was possible for Trump to be POTUS even though he might get fewer votes before their election. It's a bit pointless bringing the matter up after the event. No one said anything before they went to the polls. Why was the voting system not adjusted before the election, they had all the time in the world to make the necessary changes.

 

What and how does the extent of Australian and American historical knowledge have any bearing on what is happening in Europe in the 21st century. They don't live there.

 

And how are Europeans and the British morons. If it was not for Britain the Americans and Australians would not have a country, nor a language. Neither would South American nations  were it not for the Portuguese and the Spanish. You yourself are contributing to this topic in the English language.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2018 by yogi100