2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

France, the United States and Britain circulated a draft resolution to U.N. Security Council late on Saturday that aims to establish a new independent inquiry into who is to responsible for chemical weapons attacks in Syria

Great idea. One would like to think that this would have been the course of action BEFORE France, The US and Britain sent in retaliatory strikes.

 

The real truth about global politics and the agenda would sicken most decent people. Funny how we sent in the strikes to Syria before evidence was established yet when 16 Saudi's brought down the WTC and hit the Pentagon, in our bid to protect "world law and order" we did....nothing. I wish we had another planet to colonise as I would have me and my family on the wait list straight away - Imagine,  monsters hiding in the dark, an unsure unpredictable future, hard work to make ends meet and missing the way things used to be - but that's just Earth, another planet would be a piece of cake.

10 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I don't understand why Putin didn't take out the Cypress bases after USA's illegal missile raids on Syria. Bashar Al Assad is a legend, one of the last strongmen like Hussein, Gadaffi, that kept the evil ideologies pervasive in their countries in check. As we have seen, every time, topple the strongmen in charge and you get absolute chaos. 

 

 This is a real low point in western foreign policy. They have clearly learned nothing at all from past overseas interventions. I get the feeling Trump did this to impress the liberals that have been at his throat the past year. Saving the poor (allegedly) gassed children in Syria, great Trump impress the young, idealistic and naive, but stop it right now. Enough is enough.

 

I think it's mainly because Putin is not an idiot. Or clueless. Or actually believes his own propaganda.

 

Why would Russia attack a UK base, in response to a US (according to you) attack, on another country - in which no Russian lives were lost, nor Russian assets damaged? And that comment at a topic warning of "chaos". Go figure.

 

Assad is no "legend". He's a the second generation (and not even first choice, at that) of a dictator family. On his own merits, and without fate intervening, he wouldn't be anywhere near the position he holds. Also, Assad junior wasn't all that opposed to Islamists when they were deemed useful - releasing them from prisons to fight the opposition, dealing with them for oil when it served.

 

How is the recent attack a "low point"? It wasn't all that devastating, it wasn't aimed at deposing Assad. If anything, that lesson actually was learned - seeing as Assad is still in place, years into the Syrian Civil War. Taking him out was a much easier proposition back when, and yet he's still there.

 

"Stop it right now" - stop what? There was an attack, it's over. The ones beating the drums now are mostly Russian officials, Russian trolls, and Russia's fanboys

7 hours ago, BuaBS said:

If Clinton was elected , this would have happened a year ago and much worse than this farse of retaliation on 3 empty sites.

 

Them crystal balls.

Quite amazing how the but-but-but-Hillary can be brought up on whatever topic.

A nonsense post has been removed as well as a reply. 

10 hours ago, BuriramSam said:

You make a good point. While everyone is focused on getting rid of Assad, who is thinking about what/who will replace him? Just look at all the countries in chaos after *help* from the US and other western countries.

 

How is "everyone focused on getting rid of Assad"?

 

The recent attack did not target Assad, nor did the last one. There's no indication that there will be any sustained follow-up, as well. Trump still bent on withdrawing US troops from Syria - doesn't sound like much  to do with "getting rid of Assad" either. And, of course, if "getting rid of Assad" was a focal point - why wasn't he removed years ago, when he was weaker, and did not have massive Russian support at hand?

34 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Great idea. One would like to think that this would have been the course of action BEFORE France, The US and Britain sent in retaliatory strikes.

 

The real truth about global politics and the agenda would sicken most decent people. Funny how we sent in the strikes to Syria before evidence was established yet when 16 Saudi's brought down the WTC and hit the Pentagon, in our bid to protect "world law and order" we did....nothing. I wish we had another planet to colonise as I would have me and my family on the wait list straight away - Imagine,  monsters hiding in the dark, an unsure unpredictable future, hard work to make ends meet and missing the way things used to be - but that's just Earth, another planet would be a piece of cake.

Actually before the incident there was an attempt to have the Security council sanction an investigation. Russia vetoed the first try and then proposed its own version. That version would not have allowed the invesitigators to draw any conclusion but would have left it up to the members of the Security Council to draw conclusions. Clearly the Russians were very sincere in their desire to get to the bottom of things.

7 hours ago, davidcc said:

We can all comment with bravado and macho war calls from the safety of our computers but if (and I hope it never does) this spills into our countries, I wonder how many of us will support it then. When instead of seeing bombs going off on television like some Hollywood movie, it is our families blown to pieces, our streets and our lives wrecked by such irresponsible foreign policy. It is not about which political side you believe in, as it is obvious, all sides of the political divide have been irresponsibly bombing foreign countries under their watch. Both in Europe and USA. This is an agenda that has no political side. People who have never been to war or experienced it, should never be in a position of power to send others. This has nothing to do with supposed chemical attacks, which I have severe doubts about anyway, as history tells us we can not believe much we hear on BBC or CNN, certainly can not believe much of what is written in the newspapers and would be naive to believe a lot of politicians based on their track records. This has everything to do with pipelines, paranoia and a desire to control the world and suffocate Russia. Did our countries help the people of Rwandan when approximately 1 million men, women, children and babies were butchered. No, we did nothing and let it happen. So if anyone thinks they are bombing Syria in response to supposed chemical attacks, think again. What amazes me is the seemingly apathetic reaction from so many, who are still in TV land and just don't see what is really going on. This is madness and this sort of madness has been seen before in history and look at the results. Millions dead. Albeit in certain parts of history it was sadly required as our countries were being attacked. But we are not being attacked.  I do not believe Syria is a threat. Assad like so many of these leaders was a friend to the West until they decided they did not want him anymore. Russia has very little history of wanting to dominate the world. Whereas sadly us Westerners have. We live in a cotton wool protected environment with no memory of war, (depending on age) other than what we see on TV. Any sane intelligent human being would completely condemn what our leaders are doing. From my understanding the rebels our politicians support, are basically violent terrorists, who have committed terrible atrocities. Who created them and armed them ? Was it the same maniacs who armed Al Qaeda ?  I am not in any way taking sides but just expressing common sense and what is obvious. I for one hope there is a complete deescalation of arms. I hope for all of us and our families sake's our leaders listen to what Putin is saying. I am no fan of his, but he is right. It could throw the world into chaos and for what ?

 

Cool story.

 

"I am not in any way taking sides" - but the above is nothing but a one-sided bash fest. No sides taken, but this is all about "suffocating Russia". Not siding with anyone, yet the destruction meted on Syria is somehow Western issued only. And there's more - "all sides of the political divide have been irresponsibly bombing foreign countries.....Both in Europe and USA". Guess Russia doesn't do that, and even when it does, it's still the West's fault anyway.

 

People who have never been to war or experienced it, should never be in a position of power to send others - does this apply all around? Putin? Assad?

 

We are not to believe BBC, or CNN, newspapers too - what other sources of information are prescribed is not mentioned, but guess these would be either of the RT variety, or if that's too obvious , maybe the "alternative media" moniker, which some try to conflate with credibility. And yes, politicians - never trust them. Unless they are Russian, or specifically, Putin. Putin will never lie to us, and he really cares.

 

So this is all about pipelines? Gee...and guess Russia got not interests in this as well, right? Just that evil greedy West. The same heartless West who didn't help the Rwandans (nice off topic there), while Russia sav....ah, no, Russia didn't lift a finger and never does. Bearing in mind Russian airstrikes in Syria, and the resulting death toll, or Russia escapades in the Caucasus one got to wonder if there are limits to how disingenuous some can get. But do...do lecture others about "seemingly apathetic reactions". By all means.

 

Assad was not that much of a friend to the West. There were hopes, earlier on, he'd take a different path than his dad. He didn't. "Until the decided they did not want him anymore" - do you have that in a more childish, simplistic form, please?

 

The "rebels out leaders support" - do tell. Which Syrian rebels groups are currently supported. Not denial that some unsavory ones were supported, mind. Question is with regard to current situation.

 

And no, it's not that Russia doesn't want to dominate the world, it simply failed achieving such goals. Putin's working on correcting that.

 

Any sane, intelligent human being would wonder what you're trying to sell, and why.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/uk-statement-to-the-opcw-on-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-douma

20 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually before the incident there was an attempt to have the Security council sanction an investigation. Russia vetoed the first try and then proposed its own version. That version would not have allowed the invesitigators to draw any conclusion but would have left it up to the members of the Security Council to draw conclusions. Clearly the Russians were very sincere in their desire to get to the bottom of things.

The Russians and Assad have refused to let the inspectors in to see for themselves.  Maybe that is a clue ?

6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The Russians and Assad have refused to let the inspectors in to see for themselves.  Maybe that is a clue ?

 

Russian Trolls Denied Syrian Gas Attack—Before It Happened

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-trolls-denied-syrian-gas-attackbefore-it-happened

1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

 

The real truth about global politics and the agenda would sicken most decent people.

You hit the "Hammer on the nail" again! ; -)

11 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I don't understand why Putin didn't take out the Cypress bases after USA's illegal missile raids on Syria.

 

Which would invoke the terms of the NATO Treaty and compel it to attack Russia.

 

"I don't understand why.........".

 

That simple admission on your part is perhaps the best indication so far of the general worthlessness of your "contributions".

 

There have been many before, but this one is definitely the best.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

 

Any sane, intelligent human being would wonder what you're trying to sell, and why.

 

Very good series of posts by you over the last few days concerning this topic.

 

Keep it up.

 

 

13 hours ago, Morch said:

 

How is "everyone focused on getting rid of Assad"?

 

The recent attack did not target Assad, nor did the last one. There's no indication that there will be any sustained follow-up, as well. Trump still bent on withdrawing US troops from Syria - doesn't sound like much  to do with "getting rid of Assad" either. And, of course, if "getting rid of Assad" was a focal point - why wasn't he removed years ago, when he was weaker, and did not have massive Russian support at hand?

Yes, the recent attack was more specific and about chemical weapons.  But the big picture in Syria is about getting rid of Assad. Wht want it done years ago? Because longer wars are more profitable. Just look at Afghanistan. We could have finished early on in Tora Bora but didn't. I believe that was by design.

22 hours ago, Ulic said:

Bashar Al Assad was no different for Syria than the Saudi royal family is for Saudi Arabia.

The only difference is Assad is aligned with Russia and Russia has it's only foreign naval

base in Syria. Obama armed the Assad opposition hoping for a new regime that would close

that base. This brought civil war to Syria and has led to 500,000 deaths and a refugee crisis

across Europe. While western news organizations put all the deaths at the hands of Assad

both sides are equally guilty of war crimes. Brexit, the refugee crisis and all the deaths in Syria

are on the hands of Obama as much as Assad. Maybe even more. The only thing I know is

neither side can be trusted with the truth. Both lie and spin the news. Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria,

will the US ever learn. Let the middle east sort out there own internal conflicts. Let Iran and

Saidi Arabia have at it. War is miserable. A little taste between these two countries instead

of proxy wars, (Russia-USA in Syria, Iran-Saudi Arabia in Yemen, things ramping up in Qutar)

I shake my head. 

Assad's father was a strongman. His son is a Despot. Sadly Western educated but learned nothing of morals. Yes the problem is always with toppling them is will the new face be worse. We would all do well to leave the middle East to the inhabitants and clean up our own back yards

21 hours ago, davidcc said:

Yep could not agree more and please lets send Blair, Bush, May, Trump, Obama, Clinton, French President I forget his name and all those others that so clearly and evidently as bad as them.

That would be fun to be a guard working at that detention center .

14 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Cool story.

 

"I am not in any way taking sides" - but the above is nothing but a one-sided bash fest. No sides taken, but this is all about "suffocating Russia". Not siding with anyone, yet the destruction meted on Syria is somehow Western issued only. And there's more - "all sides of the political divide have been irresponsibly bombing foreign countries.....Both in Europe and USA". Guess Russia doesn't do that, and even when it does, it's still the West's fault anyway.

 

People who have never been to war or experienced it, should never be in a position of power to send others - does this apply all around? Putin? Assad?

 

We are not to believe BBC, or CNN, newspapers too - what other sources of information are prescribed is not mentioned, but guess these would be either of the RT variety, or if that's too obvious , maybe the "alternative media" moniker, which some try to conflate with credibility. And yes, politicians - never trust them. Unless they are Russian, or specifically, Putin. Putin will never lie to us, and he really cares.

 

So this is all about pipelines? Gee...and guess Russia got not interests in this as well, right? Just that evil greedy West. The same heartless West who didn't help the Rwandans (nice off topic there), while Russia sav....ah, no, Russia didn't lift a finger and never does. Bearing in mind Russian airstrikes in Syria, and the resulting death toll, or Russia escapades in the Caucasus one got to wonder if there are limits to how disingenuous some can get. But do...do lecture others about "seemingly apathetic reactions". By all means.

 

Assad was not that much of a friend to the West. There were hopes, earlier on, he'd take a different path than his dad. He didn't. "Until the decided they did not want him anymore" - do you have that in a more childish, simplistic form, please?

 

The "rebels out leaders support" - do tell. Which Syrian rebels groups are currently supported. Not denial that some unsavory ones were supported, mind. Question is with regard to current situation.

 

And no, it's not that Russia doesn't want to dominate the world, it simply failed achieving such goals. Putin's working on correcting that.

 

Any sane, intelligent human being would wonder what you're trying to sell, and why.

Thanks for your comments but I do not understand your point, other than you do not agree with me, or it touched a raw nerve.  I am not selling anything except common sense and  an understanding of history that tells anyone " war is not a good thing". Of course I agree that Putin and Assad are no better and I thought I made the point clear that I was no fan of Putin.  I am certainly not taking sides, but it is pretty obvious what is going on here. Where do you think the rebels have got the money and arms from directly or indirectly from ? Bank loan ? The UN has already commented on their atrocities and you can find plenty of coverage if you do some searching. Why do you mention RT...I did not and do not watch it. Maybe what you say is right.  I have no idea as I do not watch it. Having listened to the drivel from most news TV for many years,  I choose not to anymore. It seems all you want to do is attack anything I said by throwing up arguments over things I either have not said or actually agree with you on. Or just denouncing me and being rude.  It does not placate or take away from the truth of what I said. Basically I don't give two hoots who it is, Putin, Trump, May, Assad or any of them. I won't be played or drawn into a squabble over who is this, or who is that. The bigger picture is no one and I hope you included, want to see a situation get out of hand and a war created that affects the whole world. I certainly do not want my family affected by it, or my friends, or yours. Surely that is a sentiment shared by any normal, sane human being. Please do not denounce those of us who prefer not to see killings and actually have the temerity and intelligence to question our own leaders and politicians. They show us time and time again that often they are wrong, or do bad things. If we can not question them, then we do not live in a free society. I hope there is still enough freedom in life, to allow us to do that, without having people shout us down or be rude. Disagree if you wish, but no need to be rude and denounce, just because it does not suit your idea of the world. I am not supporting Russia, or agreeing with Putin (with the exception that it could throw the world into chaos), I am merely stating what I and many others clearly see, but it seems are not allowed to say it, without having people denounce us as childish. Nobody with any sanity would be beating war drums right now, or wishing this to get any worse. If you think for one minute I am a Putin fan, an Obama fan,  a fan of Assad, a Trump fan, a May fan or any political party fan, you are very much mistaken. I have little time for any of them. Sure they are all nice to have a chat to, or a beer. But I despise their foreign policies because it has not made their employees (the people who put them in power and pay them) any safer, or given them better lives. In the UK we always have money for wars, but constantly do not have enough for hospitals or new schools. We are also battling a massive influx of people fleeing war torn countries, due to our and our allies foreign policies. Who pays for that ? The people. Who suffers because of it ? Certainly not our politicians who caused it, not the other countries politicians who caused it, not the rich...they are all buffeted from the realities of the results of such actions....oh yes, us the average people who have to work to pay the taxes, some of whom are now living in environments that have completely changed. The issue is, the people who cause these problems and often the people who support them, do not suffer the results of their actions. Others do. We are all sick of war. We are sick of the arrogance of our politicians and sick of our money being used for things, we do not want it used for. Not sure where you come from, but that is the sentiment it seems to me of most Europeans. But I am sure someone will turn it round and call me a racist for mentioning immigrants, which is ludicrous. I think its nice we help people. But who caused it and who pays for it. Who suffers due to irresponsible foreign policy. All the friends I have who have fought in wars all say the same thing. It is not something any human being should go through or want and they get particularly annoyed with those people who sit at home, or in their office and beat the war drums, but have no experience of it. War is not good for anyone. What I wrote is not a story, as it has none of the basic literary ingredients to be called story. I think what you mean is an opinion, which we all have and are entitled too. Get my drift now. Hope so. You have good day now and lets all hope this potentially terrible situation does not get out of hand, as its good for no one.  Make Love Not War :-)

19 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

France, the United States and Britain circulated a draft resolution to U.N. Security Council late on Saturday that aims to establish a new independent inquiry into who is to responsible for chemical weapons attacks in Syria

 

Better late. . . 

Bravo! A voice in the wilderness that deserves a far wider audience and needs to ring throughout the corridors of global power.

 

There are countless millions of us "sheeple" (that is what the ruling elite contemptuously calls us behind our backs) who feel exactly the same way, yet whose voices are drowned out by raucous self-interested politicians, their corporate cohorts and their servile mass media collaborators.

 

I am a father of five. In the past the question every concerned parent used to ask himself or herself was, "What kind of world will we leave to our children?" Now the question is not what kind of world but whether there will be any world to leave them.

 

This not only unthinkable but unallowable.

 

If ever there was a time to start a world-wide peace movement, with massive public demonstrations of the kind that helped shorten the Vietnam War and end nearly 30 years of bloody sectarian violence in Northern Ireland, this is it.

 

If no an existing political party is willing to advance such an agenda - arguably the most just and desirable in human history - then a new international People's Party is needed to represent the silent majority of the sane.

What a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the kind words. It is only my feelings and thoughts. I rarely get into politics in conversation, as it always turns nasty and people end up falling out.  If you do not agree with the media sentiment, or dare to speak honestly, people get really nasty. I can not understand any human being who sits at home watching TV, or on their mobile and shouts for war and thinks its a a good thing that world super powers are falling out. It may come to nothing and I hope so, but it is always potentially very dangerous and any normal human being should be totally against it. If not, then there is something seriously wrong. War is a horrible thing. Any military person will tell us that. All my friends do, both American and European military. There is too much war in the world and that is a fact. No one with a heart wants to be involved in conflict with Syria and many do not believe at all the chemical weapons news. It could be true, but due to our politicians behavior and not exactly telling the truth, why would we believe them ?  They are not worthy of of it. They have not earned it. But instead of everyone coming together, when they should, they fall into the oldest trick in the political books, used even by the Romans ....divide and conquer. Divide people into opposing political factions and then they are weak and never a problem.  All they do is squabble. Of course we all know, those people who are almost applauding and think its a good thing to have a fight with Russia, would all change their minds, if their homes were blown up, their families killed, their lives decimated....reality might then sink in. It actually saddens me to hear people make such comments, as it just shows me how little humanity has developed.  I hope it all blows over, but at least I would have said my bit and feel better for saying what I think is the truth. I wish you and your family  the best and lets hope it does not get worse.  You are absolutely right, it is the time for the silent majority to make themselves heard. It is also the time that we had a fresh new approach to politics with people who were honest. People who cared for the people who paid them and put them in that position. Leaders rather than greedy second rate managers. Always nice to hear from other people who think similarly and prefer to avoid wars. Have a great day.

1 hour ago, Thongkorn said:

That would be fun to be a guard working at that detention center .

Almost makes me want to drop what I do and offer my services.

 

2 hours ago, BuriramSam said:

Yes, the recent attack was more specific and about chemical weapons.  But the big picture in Syria is about getting rid of Assad. Wht want it done years ago? Because longer wars are more profitable. Just look at Afghanistan. We could have finished early on in Tora Bora but didn't. I believe that was by design.

 

Let's see. War is supposedly profitable. Alright. But in terms of money - the US did not operate large forces, did not extend a whole lot of hardware, and the support for rebels and such was mostly small arms.

 

On the other hand, as some posters claim, removing Assad would have played a part in supporting Western interests regarding one or the other gas/oil pipes. Add to this some chunky nation building, infrastructure projects, possible arms deal for an actual army, and maintaining a long term meaningful presence - I somehow think that adds up to a whole lot more.

 

You do realize that US involvement in Afghanistan is on an altogether different scale and profile, right? More along the "on the other hand" bit above.

 

3 hours ago, BuriramSam said:

Yes, the recent attack was more specific and about chemical weapons.  But the big picture in Syria is about getting rid of Assad. Wht want it done years ago? Because longer wars are more profitable. Just look at Afghanistan. We could have finished early on in Tora Bora but didn't. I believe that was by design.

Huge money made from wars.  And a small number of people an politicians get very rich from it. Had buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan both as soldiers and as private contractors.  Terrifying the thinsg they told me. You may enjoy reading this book The Shadow World- Inside the Global Arms Trade. By Andrew Feinstein.

1 hour ago, davidcc said:

Thanks for your comments but I do not understand your point, other than you do not agree with me, or it touched a raw nerve.  I am not selling anything except common sense and  an understanding of history that tells anyone " war is not a good thing". Of course I agree that Putin and Assad are no better and I thought I made the point clear that I was no fan of Putin.  I am certainly not taking sides, but it is pretty obvious what is going on here. Where do you think the rebels have got the money and arms from directly or indirectly from ? Bank loan ? The UN has already commented on their atrocities and you can find plenty of coverage if you do some searching. Why do you mention RT...I did not and do not watch it. Maybe what you say is right.  I have no idea as I do not watch it. Having listened to the drivel from most news TV for many years,  I choose not to anymore. It seems all you want to do is attack anything I said by throwing up arguments over things I either have not said or actually agree with you on. Or just denouncing me and being rude.  It does not placate or take away from the truth of what I said. Basically I don't give two hoots who it is, Putin, Trump, May, Assad or any of them. I won't be played or drawn into a squabble over who is this, or who is that. The bigger picture is no one and I hope you included, want to see a situation get out of hand and a war created that affects the whole world. I certainly do not want my family affected by it, or my friends, or yours. Surely that is a sentiment shared by any normal, sane human being. Please do not denounce those of us who prefer not to see killings and actually have the temerity and intelligence to question our own leaders and politicians. They show us time and time again that often they are wrong, or do bad things. If we can not question them, then we do not live in a free society. I hope there is still enough freedom in life, to allow us to do that, without having people shout us down or be rude. Disagree if you wish, but no need to be rude and denounce, just because it does not suit your idea of the world. I am not supporting Russia, or agreeing with Putin (with the exception that it could throw the world into chaos), I am merely stating what I and many others clearly see, but it seems are not allowed to say it, without having people denounce us as childish. Nobody with any sanity would be beating war drums right now, or wishing this to get any worse. If you think for one minute I am a Putin fan, an Obama fan,  a fan of Assad, a Trump fan, a May fan or any political party fan, you are very much mistaken. I have little time for any of them. Sure they are all nice to have a chat to, or a beer. But I despise their foreign policies because it has not made their employees (the people who put them in power and pay them) any safer, or given them better lives. In the UK we always have money for wars, but constantly do not have enough for hospitals or new schools. We are also battling a massive influx of people fleeing war torn countries, due to our and our allies foreign policies. Who pays for that ? The people. Who suffers because of it ? Certainly not our politicians who caused it, not the other countries politicians who caused it, not the rich...they are all buffeted from the realities of the results of such actions....oh yes, us the average people who have to work to pay the taxes, some of whom are now living in environments that have completely changed. The issue is, the people who cause these problems and often the people who support them, do not suffer the results of their actions. Others do. We are all sick of war. We are sick of the arrogance of our politicians and sick of our money being used for things, we do not want it used for. Not sure where you come from, but that is the sentiment it seems to me of most Europeans. But I am sure someone will turn it round and call me a racist for mentioning immigrants, which is ludicrous. I think its nice we help people. But who caused it and who pays for it. Who suffers due to irresponsible foreign policy. All the friends I have who have fought in wars all say the same thing. It is not something any human being should go through or want and they get particularly annoyed with those people who sit at home, or in their office and beat the war drums, but have no experience of it. War is not good for anyone. What I wrote is not a story, as it has none of the basic literary ingredients to be called story. I think what you mean is an opinion, which we all have and are entitled too. Get my drift now. Hope so. You have good day now and lets all hope this potentially terrible situation does not get out of hand, as its good for no one.  Make Love Not War :-)

 

Oh, I doubt you do not understand my point, victim card played notwithstanding.

 

You are definitely pushing a point of view which places responsibility with the West,  and effectively gives Assad's regime and Russia a free pass. Claiming "not to side with" then going on in such a manner is actually a reoccurring theme in your posts in topics dealing with either country or both. Other than the mild assertions about not being a fan, not supporting this side or the other, or even "no better" - the general attitude exhibited toward Putin and Assad is, at best, one which gives them the benefit of doubt, or at least not halfway as judgemental and condemning as views expressed vs. Western counterparts. To put  it another way, all the waffle about "us" Westerners not experiencing some forms of adversity, enjoying freedoms etc - yeah, that's because "our" leaders and political systems are generally speaking , better than the likes of Putin and Assad.

 

Similarly , your supposedly "anti-war" proclamations are decidedly pointed in one direction, disregarding and ignoring any carnage dealt by powers not Western. The bias in your position renders the "war is not a good thing" comment rather hollow.

 

Thanks for making my point regarding media. The expected "rejection" of RT, but no real answer as to where people are to get their information from, seeing the wholesale denouncement of Western media sources. The remaining default is the host of supposedly "alternative" media sources. That these are not necessarily accurate, independent or free of agenda isn't often mentioned. Obviously, you do get your information from somewhere, like all of us.

 

Going on about "the rebels" and alleging this or that is either clueless or intentionally misleading. In effect, there are various groups of rebels. Some were supported by Western powers, some weren't. There was no suggestion of it being otherwise. Of course, Assad did free quite a few of them from his prisons as well, in the early days of the uprising, and he did buy oil from them when it suited, but eh. Easier for some to lump things together, I suppose.

 

Nobody claims you do not have the right, or even the duty, to question your leaders, their motives and whatnot. But applying such scrutiny in a one-sided manner, does not quite convey the sentiment you're going for. As for the waffle about not being allowed to say this or that, or "free society" being under threat - I'd suggest you get a grip, and while at it, try and apply these two faux comments notions to them two other countries in question. Got little time for "any of them" political leaders, yet go on and on and on about supposed wrongs of Western ones.

 

As for being "rude" - it is usually bad form to post walls of text. Punctuation wouldn't go amiss, even when posting bogus rants.

 

2 hours ago, davidcc said:

What a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the kind words. It is only my feelings and thoughts. I rarely get into politics in conversation, as it always turns nasty and people end up falling out.  If you do not agree with the media sentiment, or dare to speak honestly, people get really nasty. I can not understand any human being who sits at home watching TV, or on their mobile and shouts for war and thinks its a a good thing that world super powers are falling out. It may come to nothing and I hope so, but it is always potentially very dangerous and any normal human being should be totally against it. If not, then there is something seriously wrong. War is a horrible thing. Any military person will tell us that. All my friends do, both American and European military. There is too much war in the world and that is a fact. No one with a heart wants to be involved in conflict with Syria and many do not believe at all the chemical weapons news. It could be true, but due to our politicians behavior and not exactly telling the truth, why would we believe them ?  They are not worthy of of it. They have not earned it. But instead of everyone coming together, when they should, they fall into the oldest trick in the political books, used even by the Romans ....divide and conquer. Divide people into opposing political factions and then they are weak and never a problem.  All they do is squabble. Of course we all know, those people who are almost applauding and think its a good thing to have a fight with Russia, would all change their minds, if their homes were blown up, their families killed, their lives decimated....reality might then sink in. It actually saddens me to hear people make such comments, as it just shows me how little humanity has developed.  I hope it all blows over, but at least I would have said my bit and feel better for saying what I think is the truth. I wish you and your family  the best and lets hope it does not get worse.  You are absolutely right, it is the time for the silent majority to make themselves heard. It is also the time that we had a fresh new approach to politics with people who were honest. People who cared for the people who paid them and put them in that position. Leaders rather than greedy second rate managers. Always nice to hear from other people who think similarly and prefer to avoid wars. Have a great day.

 

"I rarely get into politics in conversation"

 

You do realize your posting history is public, right?

 

"If you do not agree with the media sentiment, or dare to speak honestly, people get really nasty."

 

But then again, maybe you do not really follow such topics on TVF, where not embracing "alternative" view often results in the same sort of abuse. As for "dare to speak honestly" - with the hidden implications that it applies only to one set of views, probably coinciding with your own.

 

"I can not understand any human being who sits at home watching TV, or on their mobile and shouts for war and thinks its a a good thing that world super powers are falling out."

 

Not a whole lot of that going on in these topics. There are,several posters apparently favoring a forceful military retaliation by Russia, and quite a few Russian officials commenting in that manner as well. Don't see a whole lot said about this outta you. In fact, you even gave the first post in this topic a "like" - calls for a Russian strike on UK bases, and labeling Assad a "legend" notwithstanding. But do, do go on about such things being "potentially very dangerous" etc.

 

And the usual "not taking side" nonsense, while banging on about the supposed sins of Western leaders. By all means, don't trust them and don't take their word for granted. Just as long as you apply the same standards all around - while taking into account the nature of leaders and political systems on the other side.

 

 

On 4/16/2018 at 1:39 PM, Media1 said:

Putin who cares what he says. 

Given Trump's vetoing of the latest round of sanctions, I'd say it's an excellent bet that Trump does.

Given Trump's vetoing of the latest round of sanctions, I'd say it's an excellent bet that Trump does.

Yep. The usual strange and suspicious softness from "trump" towards Putin. Kompromat much?

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4 hours ago, davidcc said:

What a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the kind words. It is only my feelings and thoughts. I rarely get into politics in conversation, as it always turns nasty and people end up falling out.  If you do not agree with the media sentiment, or dare to speak honestly, people get really nasty. I can not understand any human being who sits at home watching TV, or on their mobile and shouts for war and thinks its a a good thing that world super powers are falling out. It may come to nothing and I hope so, but it is always potentially very dangerous and any normal human being should be totally against it. If not, then there is something seriously wrong. War is a horrible thing. Any military person will tell us that. All my friends do, both American and European military. There is too much war in the world and that is a fact. No one with a heart wants to be involved in conflict with Syria and many do not believe at all the chemical weapons news. It could be true, but due to our politicians behavior and not exactly telling the truth, why would we believe them ?  They are not worthy of of it. They have not earned it. But instead of everyone coming together, when they should, they fall into the oldest trick in the political books, used even by the Romans ....divide and conquer. Divide people into opposing political factions and then they are weak and never a problem.  All they do is squabble. Of course we all know, those people who are almost applauding and think its a good thing to have a fight with Russia, would all change their minds, if their homes were blown up, their families killed, their lives decimated....reality might then sink in. It actually saddens me to hear people make such comments, as it just shows me how little humanity has developed.  I hope it all blows over, but at least I would have said my bit and feel better for saying what I think is the truth. I wish you and your family  the best and lets hope it does not get worse.  You are absolutely right, it is the time for the silent majority to make themselves heard. It is also the time that we had a fresh new approach to politics with people who were honest. People who cared for the people who paid them and put them in that position. Leaders rather than greedy second rate managers. Always nice to hear from other people who think similarly and prefer to avoid wars. Have a great day.

Well, we've made a start. Now we just need to convince another seven billion souls we're right! Good to meet a kindred spirit and I wish you and yours well.

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Off-topic posts removed.  

 

 

On 4/17/2018 at 12:22 PM, Morch said:

 

"I rarely get into politics in conversation"

 

You do realize your posting history is public, right?

 

"If you do not agree with the media sentiment, or dare to speak honestly, people get really nasty."

 

But then again, maybe you do not really follow such topics on TVF, where not embracing "alternative" view often results in the same sort of abuse. As for "dare to speak honestly" - with the hidden implications that it applies only to one set of views, probably coinciding with your own.

 

"I can not understand any human being who sits at home watching TV, or on their mobile and shouts for war and thinks its a a good thing that world super powers are falling out."

 

Not a whole lot of that going on in these topics. There are,several posters apparently favoring a forceful military retaliation by Russia, and quite a few Russian officials commenting in that manner as well. Don't see a whole lot said about this outta you. In fact, you even gave the first post in this topic a "like" - calls for a Russian strike on UK bases, and labeling Assad a "legend" notwithstanding. But do, do go on about such things being "potentially very dangerous" etc.

 

And the usual "not taking side" nonsense, while banging on about the supposed sins of Western leaders. By all means, don't trust them and don't take their word for granted. Just as long as you apply the same standards all around - while taking into account the nature of leaders and political systems on the other side.

 

 

Yawn Yawn. . I seem to have a stalker ha ha ha.

On 4/17/2018 at 12:05 PM, Morch said:

 

Oh, I doubt you do not understand my point, victim card played notwithstanding.

 

You are definitely pushing a point of view which places responsibility with the West,  and effectively gives Assad's regime and Russia a free pass. Claiming "not to side with" then going on in such a manner is actually a reoccurring theme in your posts in topics dealing with either country or both. Other than the mild assertions about not being a fan, not supporting this side or the other, or even "no better" - the general attitude exhibited toward Putin and Assad is, at best, one which gives them the benefit of doubt, or at least not halfway as judgemental and condemning as views expressed vs. Western counterparts. To put  it another way, all the waffle about "us" Westerners not experiencing some forms of adversity, enjoying freedoms etc - yeah, that's because "our" leaders and political systems are generally speaking , better than the likes of Putin and Assad.

 

Similarly , your supposedly "anti-war" proclamations are decidedly pointed in one direction, disregarding and ignoring any carnage dealt by powers not Western. The bias in your position renders the "war is not a good thing" comment rather hollow.

 

Thanks for making my point regarding media. The expected "rejection" of RT, but no real answer as to where people are to get their information from, seeing the wholesale denouncement of Western media sources. The remaining default is the host of supposedly "alternative" media sources. That these are not necessarily accurate, independent or free of agenda isn't often mentioned. Obviously, you do get your information from somewhere, like all of us.

 

Going on about "the rebels" and alleging this or that is either clueless or intentionally misleading. In effect, there are various groups of rebels. Some were supported by Western powers, some weren't. There was no suggestion of it being otherwise. Of course, Assad did free quite a few of them from his prisons as well, in the early days of the uprising, and he did buy oil from them when it suited, but eh. Easier for some to lump things together, I suppose.

 

Nobody claims you do not have the right, or even the duty, to question your leaders, their motives and whatnot. But applying such scrutiny in a one-sided manner, does not quite convey the sentiment you're going for. As for the waffle about not being allowed to say this or that, or "free society" being under threat - I'd suggest you get a grip, and while at it, try and apply these two faux comments notions to them two other countries in question. Got little time for "any of them" political leaders, yet go on and on and on about supposed wrongs of Western ones.

 

As for being "rude" - it is usually bad form to post walls of text. Punctuation wouldn't go amiss, even when posting bogus rants.

 

You are an argumentative little chap aren't you. Deary me. The suns shining. Its a nice day out there.