Dawn of the new Democrats?

[ginjag]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

What I posted was all about the topic. The occupation of government house and airports lead to the Dem Party ascension to be an unpopular government. That blemish was one of the few black marks that the party self inflict thus the re-branding. 

 

That military coerced parliament election that leads to Ahbisit being the PM enraged the people and they came out to seek a re-election. They have the right to protest under the constitution. The military could have use other means of force to disperse the protesters. They didn't and 80 civilians were killed and it was Ahbisit government that authorized live rounds. That's the fact. 

 

 

OH please for heavens sake---prevention better than cure--read earlier post of mine,  had thousands of your peaceful unarmed  ha ha  reds had been prevented from making the 10 hour trip from Issan     things could have been easier to sort out.   (this will not be a good enough answer,  but it is my last reply  Bye Eric and your clan,  could have been more friendly--but with your attitude  never

 

[ramrod711]

4 hours ago, pornprong said:

Not sure how the military slaughtering 100 citizens furthers your cause????

How do you feel about executions of alleged drug dealers without trials, or Muslims loaded like cord wood into trucks and left to die? That's your pal Thaksin. I don't like the present government and I'm no fan of the Democrats, but please don't tell us that he was any better, or the crooked members of his party for that matter. Let me know when one of the Junta start their own airline or you get a photo of one of them sneaking out the rear of a building on a rope. Try to be just a little unbiased.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, ginjag said:

OH please for heavens sake---prevention better than cure--read earlier post of mine,  had thousands of your peaceful unarmed  ha ha  reds had been prevented from making the 10 hour trip from Issan     things could have been easier to sort out.   (this will not be a good enough answer,  but it is my last reply  Bye Eric and your clan,  could have been more friendly--but with your attitude  never

 

Let's not drag events in the past. You have your views and I have mine. No need for personal insults. I just want a better tomorrow for Thailand and no more coups and merciless gunning down of their own citizens like in 1976, 1992 and 2010. I am sure you too share the sentiment. I too know that no more coup is a wishful thinking. Sure you disagree.  

[ramrod711]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

Nonsense.

 

[JOC]

Oh the irony.....!! This thread was to be about "Dawn of the new democrats"

 

And Thaksin haters have turned it into a thread about (yes you guessed it)   Thaksin...

[ginjag]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Let's not drag events in the past. You have your views and I have mine. No need for personal insults. I just want a better tomorrow for Thailand and no more coups and merciless gunning down of their own citizens like in 1976, 1992 and 2010. I am sure you too share the sentiment. I too know that no more coup is a wishful thinking. Sure you disagree.  

Eric why didn't you leave it with the words  ( want a better tomorrow)  BUT  you had to show agenda ending it like you did--knock it off, stop baiting.

[ginjag]

1 minute ago, JOC said:

Oh the irony.....!! This thread was to be about "Dawn of the new democrats"

 

And Thaksin haters have turned it into a thread about (yes you guessed it)   Thaksin...

Take a look back at the posts at who started slinging mud----short memory.  I quoted your first sentence, more or less and you have twisted it round to Thaksin Haters   get real.......stop baiting you red clan.

[JOC]

29 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Take a look back at the posts at who started slinging mud----short memory.  I quoted your first sentence, more or less and you have twisted it round to Thaksin Haters   get real.......stop baiting you red clan.

Post 10 by Robblok started the whole Thaksin thing.....

 

Robblok can't discuss gasoline prices without saying......."But Thaksin"

[KiwiKiwi]

8 hours ago, Eligius said:

Your above words, Pornprong, are the heart of the matter. It does not matter whether we Westerners loathe Thaksin or Yingluck and their works (or love them - whatever): it is a question of the Thais' having the absolute RIGHT to choose who administers THEIR country ('the sovereignty belongs to the Thai people', remember the words of even the new Constitution?).

 

It takes time for democracies to mature and develop. But if fascists with guns keep turning the clock back to Year Zero every ten years - then the will of the people, and the steady advance of democracy, is fatally blocked. I don't see how anyone with any basic sense of justice can support that.

 

 

Well said, and I fully agree, but then a population always gets the government it deserves, so no matter how altruistic you and I can get while contemplating the midden that is what remains of Thai democracy, we cannot deny the clueless Thai population the need to be able to languish in the torture chamber of what they deserve.

 

Me? I don't care much. despite the occasional eruption of goodwill and hearty good wishes in spite of myself, the truth is that so long as the pension arrives (are we due for a raise from the UK soon?) and the police and soldiers politely piss off when I politely tell them to, then everything in my garden is sunny and I generally refuse to led a motley collection of under-intelligent and under-educated hooray Henrys rain on my parade.

Edited April 23, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[The Deerhunter]

15 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

What a pile of nonsense!

 

The Democrat party is the paid whore of elements of the Thai establishment who trot it out when they need a 'pretty' to show the cameras. And by the way, who actually pays for the Democrats? I have asked on this forum many times, but only ever receive nonsense answers. Who pays?

 

The party is a loooooong way past its 'use by' date. Like an old, faithful dog it is time to put it out of its misery and pain.

 

 

And the vacuum to be filled by???????????????????????????  Shinawatra unlimited?   More coups?????????   Must be a niche there for someone but I have no clues who the country is waiting for.    I wrote several things there and deleted them.  I hope they were wrong anyway.  One heck of a void there between army coups and Chiang Mai robber Hi So's

[Samui Bodoh]

12 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

And the vacuum to be filled by???????????????????????????  Shinawatra unlimited?   More coups?????????   Must be a niche there for someone but I have no clues who the country is waiting for.    I wrote several things there and deleted them.  I hope they were wrong anyway.  One heck of a void there between army coups and Chiang Mai robber Hi So's

Hi Deerhunter

 

I have a lot of sympathy for your post; I don't really have a definitive answer, but I do have a few thoughts...

 

Shinawatra Unlimited? Respectfully, there is sooooooo much BS surrounding him that it has taken the level of a Folklore Hero/Villain depending on your outlook. Is he coming back? No. Ever? No. There is simply too much animus towards him; he is never, ever coming back. He is simply a threat used by the Bangkok Elite now, a mere bogeyman; Support us or Thaksin will reappear! Whoo? Groan! (ghostly moaning!). Is he going to control the country even if the PTP win? No. If the PTP should form a government, might he have a voice? It is possible, but that voice would be limited. And BTW, the Urban Myth that has been disseminated that he used to Skype into Cabinet meetings? Ever see any evidence? That would not be a difficult thing for the military to hack; if you believe that he was Skyping into Cabinet meetings, then I have a bridge to sell you... The only people who could possibly believe that are the die-hard Thaksin haters, and they don't deserve consideration anymore... Thaksin is toast for all intents and purposes, and it would be great if people could just let him go...

 

Vacuum filled by? Excellent question! I am not really sure, but I do believe that the name "Democrat Party" is so soiled that it is beyond redemption. They haven't won an election since '92, they boycotted, they supported the military, they allowed themselves to be used in 2008, they stand for nothing, etc, etc, etc. They are simply bought and paid for whores. If they are smart, they would disband the party sooner rather than later and start over; the name:Democrat Party is tainted beyond repair. 

 

Nature abhors a vacuum, so someone will fill the void. Perhaps Suthep's rent-a-mob? I am not sure if he has the money to rent a whole party, but I am sure he will try. A series of small, South-based parties that will (eventually) merge into a larger entity? Very possible. The Latest Billionaire's party (Future Forward?)? It has money, so it may catch on. One of the military's proxy parties? A definite possibility; I am sure that they have stolen enough money to hang about for a while. We'll have to see how things shake out...

 

My humble opinion is that we don't know yet. I don't think that the Thai people will stand for Prayut continuing (could be wrong, but...). Perhaps the latest Billionaire? I can't remember his name. Another, unseen or quiet face? Definitely. My take is that if someone manages to break out of the crowd a bit, we could see someone who is merely a pipe dream now emerge into a viable leader later.

 

It is up to the Thai's. And, as they say... "Don't think too much!"

 

Cheers

[The Deerhunter]

30 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Hi Deerhunter

 

I have a lot of sympathy for your post; I don't really have a definitive answer, but I do have a few thoughts...

 

Shinawatra Unlimited? Respectfully, there is sooooooo much BS surrounding him that it has taken the level of a Folklore Hero/Villain depending on your outlook. Is he coming back? No. Ever? No. There is simply too much animus towards him; he is never, ever coming back. He is simply a threat used by the Bangkok Elite now, a mere bogeyman; Support us or Thaksin will reappear! Whoo? Groan! (ghostly moaning!). Is he going to control the country even if the PTP win? No. If the PTP should form a government, might he have a voice? It is possible, but that voice would be limited. And BTW, the Urban Myth that has been disseminated that he used to Skype into Cabinet meetings? Ever see any evidence? That would not be a difficult thing for the military to hack; if you believe that he was Skyping into Cabinet meetings, then I have a bridge to sell you... The only people who could possibly believe that are the die-hard Thaksin haters, and they don't deserve consideration anymore... Thaksin is toast for all intents and purposes, and it would be great if people could just let him go...

 

Vacuum filled by? Excellent question! I am not really sure, but I do believe that the name "Democrat Party" is so soiled that it is beyond redemption. They haven't won an election since '92, they boycotted, they supported the military, they allowed themselves to be used in 2008, they stand for nothing, etc, etc, etc. They are simply bought and paid for whores. If they are smart, they would disband the party sooner rather than later and start over; the name:Democrat Party is tainted beyond repair. 

 

Nature abhors a vacuum, so someone will fill the void. Perhaps Suthep's rent-a-mob? I am not sure if he has the money to rent a whole party, but I am sure he will try. A series of small, South-based parties that will (eventually) merge into a larger entity? Very possible. The Latest Billionaire's party (Future Forward?)? It has money, so it may catch on. One of the military's proxy parties? A definite possibility; I am sure that they have stolen enough money to hang about for a while. We'll have to see how things shake out...

 

My humble opinion is that we don't know yet. I don't think that the Thai people will stand for Prayut continuing (could be wrong, but...). Perhaps the latest Billionaire? I can't remember his name. Another, unseen or quiet face? Definitely. My take is that if someone manages to break out of the crowd a bit, we could see someone who is merely a pipe dream now emerge into a viable leader later.

 

It is up to the Thai's. And, as they say... "Don't think too much!"

 

Cheers

I pretty much agree with everything you say.  I was only flying the Shin kite to upset the Dems and get the Shin freaks all excited.  I have been saying for several year on various threads (in one form or another) that Thailand doesn't know it but it has been looking for their own Lee Kwan Yew for a while now.  The infuriating thing is it could have been Thaksin.  The Shin freaks get all angry when I say that he had it all and threw it away but I cannot see it any other way.  He was perfect.  He had made promises and kept them. He was richer than God himself (well nearly) and a huge percentage loved him.   He could have been "president for life" with no problem.  But it seems  greed took over and he started stealing the country and predictably lost his mojo.  We need another Thaksin who is not easily identified as such and who importantly doesn't decide he has to steal the place as well as govern it.    Boy I am going to get it now from the Shin Feaks and Dems.   The problem is that most governments are now elected on an engaging TV personality  (enough said) and Thailand likes its heros.  You need a front man, a great T.V.Face, someone not tainted by corruption.....................  Thereby hangeth the problem

Edited April 23, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[Eligius]

39 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

I pretty much agree with everything you say.  I was only flying the Shin kite to upset the Dems and get the Shin freaks all excited.  I have been saying for several year on various threads (in one form or another) that Thailand doesn't know it but it has been looking for their own Lee Kwan Yew for a while now.  The infuriating thing is it could have been Thaksin.  The Shin freaks get all angry when I say that he had it all and threw it away but I cannot see it any other way.  He was perfect.  He had made promises and kept them. He was richer than God himself (well nearly) and a huge percentage loved him.   He could have been "president for life" with no problem.  But it seems  greed took over and he started stealing the country and predictably lost his mojo.  We need another Thaksin who is not easily identified as such and who importantly doesn't decide he has to steal the place as well as govern it.    Boy I am going to get it now from the Shin Feaks and Dems.   The problem is that most governments are now elected on an engaging TV personality  (enough said) and Thailand likes its heros.  You need a front man, a great T.V.Face, someone not tainted by corruption.....................  Thereby hangeth the problem

Very interesting and intelligent post. On the face of it, the man you are looking for (at the end of your post - the charismatic, non-corrupt, attractive-looking figurehead) just might be young Thanathorn of the Future Forward Party. I have lingering doubts about his full commitment to ordinary working people and their fundamental rights (he is said to have a record of being opposed to labour unions - how true this is, I don't know), but he COULD be a big step forward for Thailand in general and in basic terms -  a much-needed new beginning.

 

He certainly would not be worse (MUST be better) than this horrendous, disgraceful military junta.

 

But there is one massive problem: if Thanathorn truly does represent a break with despotism (which I think he could well do), then he himself will be broken or stopped by the junta before he is allowed to gain elected political power ....

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by Eligius

[Samui Bodoh]

9 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

I pretty much agree with everything you say.  I was only flying the Shin kite to upset the Dems and get the Shin freaks all excited.  I have been saying for several year on various threads (in one form or another) that Thailand doesn't know it but it has been looking for their own Lee Kwan Yew for a while now.  The infuriating thing is it could have been Thaksin.  The Shin freaks get all angry when I say that he had it all and threw it away but I cannot see it any other way.  He was perfect.  He had made promises and kept them. He was richer than God himself (well nearly) and a huge percentage loved him.   He could have been "president for life" with no problem.  But it seems  greed took over and he started stealing the country and predictably lost his mojo.  We need another Thaksin who is not easily identified as such and who importantly doesn't decide he has to steal the place as well as govern it.    Boy I am going to get it now from the Shin Feaks and Dems.   The problem is that most governments are now elected on an engaging TV personality  (enough said) and Thailand likes its heros.  You need a front man, a great T.V.Face, someone not tainted by corruption.....................  Thereby hangeth the problem

I understand tweaking the Shin Freaks, but perhaps it is time to stop.

 

On more than one occasion I have logged on to TVF, seen the Shin Freaks with their same old whingeing and moaning, then simply logged out in disgust. 

 

TVF is being dragged down by them and it is a shame.

 

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I understand tweaking the Shin Freaks, but perhaps it is time to stop.

 

On more than one occasion I have logged on to TVF, seen the Shin Freaks with their same old whingeing and moaning, then simply logged out in disgust. 

 

TVF is being dragged down by them and it is a shame.

 

There are still a few freaks left but most seem to have vanished.  Not sure if they saw the light or the money stopped.  Some of them really seemed to be on TVF as if they were paid to be there.  Some of the most well known and persistent just stopped suddenly and never seemed to return recogniseably under another name.  There were a couple of new freaks that obviously had been self-reincarnated.  But this is a Buddhist country, you know.  Oh and speaking of T.V. personality, there are some who think they have it but, yawn!!!, DON'T!!!!

Edited April 24, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[Anak Nakal]

YES!!!

Thaksin is gone. PLEASE shut up!

[The Deerhunter]

15 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

And this is all related to the "Dawn of the New Democrats" how exactly?

 

Why don't all of you get a room and consummate the relationship? I hear there is one in Pattaya that is used for these sort of purposes...

 

It's 2018.

 

Time to move on...

 

Yep.  That is the usual suspects at play.  Some of the BS they write is so almost plausible that you tend to think that more than just one couple of them had KGB disinformaton training. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[bannork]

7 hours ago, Anak Nakal said:

YES!!!

Thaksin is gone. PLEASE shut up!

If he's gone, why is he popping up with Yingluk every fortnight or so on the media?

He'll never give up trying to come back to power because he's got nothing else to do. He'll keep hold of Pheua Thai through his sister, Yaowapa and his ex-wife Potjaman.

Back to the topic. The death of Dr Surin was a massive blow for The Democrats in my view. He had the charisma, ability and knowledge to lead the party forward to embrace the more progressive elements of Thai society. I can't see the other heavyweights having the common touch so necessary if the party really wants to expand beyond the South and urban centres.

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by bannork

[greenchair]

The Democrats spend all their media time and all their speeches focusing on why their party is better than the enemy. Whoever that may be at the time. They never talk about what their policies will be. That is their fundamental floor. 

It's simple really. 

[BobBKK]

On 4/24/2018 at 4:59 PM, bannork said:

If he's gone, why is he popping up with Yingluk every fortnight or so on the media?

He'll never give up trying to come back to power because he's got nothing else to do. He'll keep hold of Pheua Thai through his sister, Yaowapa and his ex-wife Potjaman.

Back to the topic. The death of Dr Surin was a massive blow for The Democrats in my view. He had the charisma, ability and knowledge to lead the party forward to embrace the more progressive elements of Thai society. I can't see the other heavyweights having the common touch so necessary if the party really wants to expand beyond the South and urban centres.

 

 

 

What nonsense. Wake up please and stop talking about the PAST.  The media talk about him because he is very popular amongst Thais and was the best PM this country ever had but it's GONE and the Army rule now. Let's look forward to the future?  FFP look like an exciting alternative to me.

[baboon]

On 24/04/2018 at 4:59 PM, bannork said:

If he's gone, why is he popping up with Yingluk every fortnight or so on the media?

Because people are interested in him and the media want to make money by reporting on things the public are interested about. It isn't exactly rocket science...

[baboon]

16 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

What nonsense. Wake up please and stop talking about the PAST.  The media talk about him because he is very popular amongst Thais and was the best PM this country ever had but it's GONE and the Army rule now. Let's look forward to the future?  FFP look like an exciting alternative to me.

What else can you do when the past is all you have to justify the present? When you know you backed the wrong horse but pride will not allow you to admit your mistake?

[bannork]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

What nonsense. Wake up please and stop talking about the PAST.  The media talk about him because he is very popular amongst Thais and was the best PM this country ever had but it's GONE and the Army rule now. Let's look forward to the future?  FFP look like an exciting alternative to me.

Which party will get the most MPs in the next election. I predict Pheua Thai. And why? Because Issan , the north and the urban poor are loyal to the Shinawats. Thaksin is not going anywhere. 

[baboon]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

Which party will get the most MPs in the next election. I predict Pheua Thai. And why? Because Issan , the north and the urban poor are loyal to the Shinawats. Thaksin is not going anywhere. 

I would respond with 'Well let the other parties come up with policies that resonate with that bloc of voters'. However their hands are tied by the junta's 20 year strategy. Not happy with Thaksin still being around? Look at the junta. That is the reason right there.

[Eligius]

44 minutes ago, baboon said:

I would respond with 'Well let the other parties come up with policies that resonate with that bloc of voters'. However their hands are tied by the junta's 20 year strategy. Not happy with Thaksin still being around? Look at the junta. That is the reason right there.

Yes, the amazing thing about the junta - their greatest achievement, perhaps - is to turn many people who were not die-hard fans, for example, of the Yingluck regime (the most recent legitimate, albeit pretty incompetent, government we have had here) into people who are sick and tired of the military and are almost open or closet supporters of a new Yingluck (or equivalent) government! Anything is better than a tyranny. I was never an admirer of Yingluck when she was in office - but my God, now I would say to her: 'Come back! All is forgiven!' (well, almost!). She displays the grace, approachability and humanity which are so singularly lacking in the autocratic and sociopathic 'persons' currently in charge ...

 

Maybe Thanathorn (Future Forward Party) would be a very good alternative, but he is still something of an unknown quantity.

 

Time will tell !

 

Edited April 26, 2018 by Eligius

[billd766]

On 23/4/2561 at 5:41 AM, kannot said:

What they need is a "real man" like Gorbachov was back in the 80's in Russia, Abihisit is certainly NOT that man, he is same old  same old and there will be NO changes.

 

The best thing that the Democrats could have done several years ago would have been to clear out all the old dinosaurs in the party leadership, remove Abhisit and start from scratch.

 

Now IMHO they are trying to do too little and far too late.

 

Abhisit will be forever tainted by 2010 and will only drag the party further behind.

 

They will be decimated at the next election (whenever and if ever it comes). They will lose a lot of seats in the south to Suthep's new party, quite a few seats in Bangkok and they have little chance in the north or northeast against whatever name and whoever runs Thaksins party up there.

 

This is only my opinion and is worth just as much (or just as little) as anyother posters here.

 

Sadly I believe that Prayuth will stay in power by hook or by crook as the smaller parties will want to go with the money and power and not to help the Thai people.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

The best thing that the Democrats could have done several years ago would have been to clear out all the old dinosaurs in the party leadership, remove Abhisit and start from scratch.

 

Now IMHO they are trying to do too little and far too late.

 

Abhisit will be forever tainted by 2010 and will only drag the party further behind.

 

They will be decimated at the next election (whenever and if ever it comes). They will lose a lot of seats in the south to Suthep's new party, quite a few seats in Bangkok and they have little chance in the north or northeast against whatever name and whoever runs Thaksins party up there.

 

This is only my opinion and is worth just as much (or just as little) as anyother posters here.

 

Sadly I believe that Prayuth will stay in power by hook or by crook as the smaller parties will want to go with the money and power and not to help the Thai people.

By all accounts what you said is spot on. Ahbisit is a dead weight for the party and it will immensely help to change the party image to have him step aside and allow someone like Alongkorn or even Korn to step up. It is rather puzzling why the party allowed him to stay as party leader when previous party leader Bannork was replaced when he lost the election badly. 

 

Concur with you that the Dem will be severely challenged in the next election and will take a sever beating. 

 

However I don’t think Prayut will have things easy to get into power. I see the Dem making lots of anti junta voices and may work with PTP to get the vote for PM in Parliament.

 

[Eligius]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

By all accounts what you said is spot on. Ahbisit is a dead weight for the party and it will immensely help to change the party image to have him step aside and allow someone like Alongkorn or even Korn to step up. It is rather puzzling why the party allowed him to stay as party leader when previous party leader Bannork was replaced when he lost the election badly. 

 

Concur with you that the Dem will be severely challenged in the next election and will take a sever beating. 

 

However I don’t think Prayut will have things easy to get into power. I see the Dem making lots of anti junta voices and may work with PTP to get the vote for PM in Parliament.

 

Really hope you are right, Eric. It would be great if the Dems and Pheua Thai joined forces just to keep the Hated One out. That is the least they should do in desperate times like this. But even then, the Hated One will probably still invent some lie or trick to render the 'election' result invalid!

[Samui Bodoh]

20 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Really hope you are right, Eric. It would be great if the Dems and Pheua Thai joined forces just to keep the Hated One out. That is the least they should do in desperate times like this. But even then, the Hated One will probably still invent some lie or trick to render the 'election' result invalid!

Relax Eligius!

 

No, not everything will be clear sailing, but there is good reason to hope.

 

First, I think that most if not all agree that the Dems aren't going to be the lead party after the next election (whenever it occurs) and that is a good thing. They are tired, have no real policy base, and are tainted by their past actions and associations. Further, Abhisit is hated, truly hated by a huge portion of the population and if he ever tried to get into power, or if the PTB tried to put him in power again, there'd be a revolution (literally). My view is simply to dissolve the party and start over; failing that expect to spend many years in the political wilderness.

 

And BTW, it is nice to talk about the Dems after 6 bloody pages of "I hate Thaksin!". I am soooo tired of it...

 

I wouldn't even worry too much about the hated one... sorry Hated One. Yes, he will try to cheat (I'll spare you my mantra- you know it already), but he will fail in the end. He is not popular. He is not respected. The only way for him to continue is by cheating, by forced irregular means, and EVERYONE will know it (loss of face). But there is another reason why that, even if he cheats his way into remaining in power a bit longer, he will get tossed out; the economy.

 

A country is like a small business or a family writ large. When the employees and/or the family members are happy and feel their future looks good, they will work hard, take chances, seize opportunities, etc etc etc. Conversely, when employees and/or family members aren't being heard, are being put down through stupid rules, mocked and treated badly, they won't work hard, they won't try to be creative, they won't operate at the top of their game, and the economy will go down.

 

Oppressive government rarely work because of economic factors. I simply don't believe that the Hated One can inspire a country to work hard, effectively, creatively and honestly if he cheats his way into power again; perhaps for a short while, but not long.

 

So, the future is not all rosy, but the good guys are going to win; the question is when...

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

By all accounts what you said is spot on. Ahbisit is a dead weight for the party and it will immensely help to change the party image to have him step aside and allow someone like Alongkorn or even Korn to step up. It is rather puzzling why the party allowed him to stay as party leader when previous party leader Bannork was replaced when he lost the election badly. 

 

Concur with you that the Dem will be severely challenged in the next election and will take a sever beating. 

 

However I don’t think Prayut will have things easy to get into power. I see the Dem making lots of anti junta voices and may work with PTP to get the vote for PM in Parliament.

 

 

It would be a good idea if the Dems and the PTP were to work together but I don't think it will happen.

 

There are too many hatreds and dinosaurs for it to happen. While those two are fighting each other firstly to decide IF they will work together, next who will be the PM and who will get what ministry, Prayuth and his sharks will be hoovering up the minnow parties.