1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

Good question. Try presenting some that make prosecution seem viable.

 Is only prosecutable conduct  ojectionable to you, everything else goes?

 

Just now, sirineou said:

 Is only prosecutable conduct  ojectionable to you, everything else goes?

 

If something isn't prosecutable, what action would you like taken?

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"The whole world is laughing AT America for it's obsession with this silly nothing, when they should be concerned with actually important things."

Sorry, no.

 

Following the news in a few other languages, the whole world is laughing at the USA for its president.

Kim Jong Un isn't laughing. Neither is president Moon in South Korea, who thanked Trump for helping get NoKo to the bargaining table.

1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

If something isn't prosecutable, what action would you like taken?

 Report it in the news 

1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kim Jong Un isn't laughing. Neither is president Moon in South Korea, who thanked Trump for helping get NoKo to the bargaining table.

First of all I don't agree with you, second of all this is about Giuliani's statements on the hush money. You're off topic.

Just now, stevenl said:

First of all I don't agree with you, second of all this is about Giuliani's statements on the hush money. You're off topic.

You're the one who said the world is laughing. Are we not free to rebut claims made? But don't worry, your concession is noted. Let's stay *on-topic* (wink wink).

9 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

So.....

 

Hush money was paid to keep quiet about a ten year old extra-marital affair a few weeks before an election.

 

But, it had nothing to do with the election.

 

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Anyone going to dispute my take on this?

 

Yep.... Donald for one... but then, he’s a fornicating liar.. so carry on ?

Edited May 5, 20188 yr by farcanell

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

Rudi, if Cohen had made it go away as you say, then what is this article about?

Red meat for TDS sufferers.

1 minute ago, farcanell said:

Yep.... Donald for one... but he’s a fornicating liar.. ?

A elections campaign   financing law braking, fornicating liar

9 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kim Jong Un isn't laughing. Neither is president Moon in South Korea, who thanked Trump for helping get NoKo to the bargaining table.

Lol.... I reckon jimmy jong has had a catherter inserted in his schlong, because he can’t stop pishing himself with laughter.

1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

Red meat for TDS sufferers.

Are you somehow related to Mrs. Huckabee- Sanders or Mr. Spicer?

1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

Red meat for TDS sufferers.

and law officers

2 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Are you somehow related to Mrs. Huckabee- Sanders or Mr. Spicer?

No. Why do you ask?

Just now, MajarTheLion said:

No. Why do you ask?

What do you THINK?!

 

...oh...well...

Edited May 5, 20188 yr by DM07

16 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kim Jong Un isn't laughing. Neither is president Moon in South Korea, who thanked Trump for helping get NoKo to the bargaining table.

And Kim laughing all his way home to his people, and especially those who is in specieal vip treatment camps! It is a lakorn with big surprises and new vendings all the way

1 hour ago, MajarTheLion said:

Actually, it's quite easy to defend. First off, you can't just stroll into court and declare that since liberal *fact checkers* declare Trump has lied 3,000 times, he should be convicted. You have to make your case. Honestly, you don't seem to have even a rudimentary understanding of the facts or evidence needed.

 

In fact, anti-Trump obsession has made it even easier to defend. You people have come up with so many accusations of sexual impropriety, it makes it far easier to believe Trump would have made this arrangement whether or not he was running for office- if not having done so more than once already.

 

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Surely you can see this, no?

????.... regards understanding evidence needed. I think comey understood this requirement.... but someone “obstructed” his inquiry by taking away his powers to investigate.

 

i also thing mueller et al, have an idea about evidentiary requirements, possibly beyond your knowledge

 

I’m always reminded of Jim Jeffries pre election joke.... “part of me says bugger it.. let’s do it ?????”.... and now....every comedian in the world is thanking their god for four years of continuous employment.

sticks and stones....rudy... hands off the ripe one....you sly one..

....Rudy is a great guy, but he just started a day ago. But he really has his heart into it. He's working hard. He's learning the subject matter," Trump said.

 

"He'll get his facts straight," Trump added.....

 

(Once trump finish’s telling him his version of the facts)

 

.... Trump said, without explicitly mentioning Giuliani, that "virtually everything said has been said incorrectly, and it's been said wrong, or it's been covered wrong by the press."

 

(trump confirms rudi engaged his mouth before putting his brain in gear)

 

....Trump had the constitutional power to fire Comey and that doing so has turned out to be "plainly in the best interests of our nation."

 

(lol.... adding obstruction allegations to trumps circus.... definitely in the nation’s best interests)

 

.....The Republican president, he would be willing to be interviewed in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, but only if he knew he would be treated fairly.

 

(lol.... is he asking for special treatment, or demanding it?)

 

"Nobody wants to speak more than me ... because we've done nothing wrong," Trump said.

 

(but won’t... unless he gets to tell mueller what questions he will be asked.... lol... just like on the television hey, mr trump)

 

"I have to find that we're going to be treated fairly, because everybody sees it now, and it is a pure witch hunt," Trump added, while incorrectly saying that Mueller, a Republican former FBI director, has a "group of investigators that are all Democrats."

 

(you would think that the law of averages would dictate he get something right)

 

Lol.... I need to issue a retraction, comedians need to be worried as these clowns are taking their jobs!

 

 

2 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Actually, it's quite easy to defend. First off, you can't just stroll into court and declare that since liberal *fact checkers* declare Trump has lied 3,000 times, he should be convicted. You have to make your case. Honestly, you don't seem to have even a rudimentary understanding of the facts or evidence needed.

 

In fact, anti-Trump obsession has made it even easier to defend. You people have come up with so many accusations of sexual impropriety, it makes it far easier to believe Trump would have made this arrangement whether or not he was running for office- if not having done so more than once already.

 

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Surely you can see this, no?

Is he guilty of lying on a regular basis , yes , no amount of childish partisan hogwash diminishes that fact. Did I make any comment on the legality of this particular case , no , so what are you responding to , the statement that he is a proven liar lol

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, in the home of the gutter press ( UK ) the media are also cranking out anything that is anti Trump, But I never said the UK media was "sane" either.

I was in the UK when the HS resigned, and she didn't resign because of a "single lie". I suggest you do some research into the actual reasons for her resignation. She may not even have lied, when it comes down to the facts.

If politicians had to resign for lying, there wouldn't be a single one left.

Given I live in the UK rather than just holidaying I expect I have a rather better handle on domestic news than you but hey lets not let common sense get in the way of partisan bias.Im sorry that you dont seem to grasp the fact that the British 'gutter press' rather gives the lie to Trumps claim that he is a singular victim of a witch hunt , intelligence is rarely a virtue of those who idolise clowns.

Edited May 5, 20188 yr by joecoolfrog

2 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Red meat for TDS sufferers.

TDS - I had to look it up "Trump Derangement Syndrome", right under "Total Dissolved Solids".

I wonder, is he the only President that caused a syndrome..., in any case it's an achievement.

No campaign money was used. Can just as easily be hush money so that his wife wouldn't find out. Speculation unless you know Trumps mind at the time.

Oh, and has Trump ever paid hush money prior to being a politician? If so then he has a free get out of jail card in those payments.

6 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Yes, I dispute your take on this. Trump has been in the public eye for decades. You cannot read his mind, though I know some people think they can. In order to prove your case, you have to give evidence of what Trump was thinking. You also have to stare down the fact that there have been little to no stories like this about Trump before he got into politics. Logic dictates it's likely because other payments were made. Of course, you can also declare that Trump has never done anything like this before.

 

Either way, a person in the public eye is likely to make similar arrangements whether or not they are running for office. Now hopefully, you can do something better than repeat "liar". While it does look kinda cute to read, it doesn't work as a substitute for actual substance.

Trumpy thinking?!?

The biggest <deleted> in the universe is fornicating left and right, and denying every truth.... Disgusting and setting america's moral values at an absolute depth!

 

2 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

No campaign money was used. Can just as easily be hush money so that his wife wouldn't find out. Speculation unless you know Trumps mind at the time.

Oh, and has Trump ever paid hush money prior to being a politician? If so then he has a free get out of jail card in those payments.

The pay off came from the Trump Campaign Finances:

https://www.inquisitr.com/4819278/five-days-after-trump-lawyer-paid-adult-film-star-130k-trump-org-billed-trump-campaign-129999-72

 

Come back when you have a better excuse for the liar in chiefs lies.

 

Hint: Don’t rely on Fox for your excuses.

$130,000 for a one night stand? she must be good... 

8 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kim Jong Un isn't laughing. Neither is president Moon in South Korea, who thanked Trump for helping get NoKo to the bargaining table.

Of course Kim is laughing, he’s laughing his ass off, because he has managed to fool everyone into believing that he’s willing to negotiate. But his nukes are his one and only bargaining chip, so why would he ever want to give those up? So Kim will shake Trump’s hand, which the propaganda machine in his country will use to make Kim look like a cross between Mother Theresa, Ghandhi and Jesus Christ himself. And 20 years from now the ‘negotiations’ will still be dragging on, Kim will still be in power and Trump (and presidents 46, 47 and probably 48 as well) will be long gone.

Kim is fully aware of this, and he’s just playing the long game, his only interest is to stay in power until he dies, just like his father and grandfather did before him. He has absolute power, more money than God, and he will cheat and lie and kill and do whatever is necessary to maintain his position.

So of course Kim is laughing his ass off, he’s got the USA (and the rest of the world) by the short and curlies and he’s loving every minute of this. 

And by the way, if you think for one minute that Trump had anything to do with Kim seemingly being ready to negotiate a deal, you need to think again. Trump is all talk and no substance, he doesn’t even know where North Korea is and probably spends hours playing with all the shiny buttons on his presidential deks. If he’s not busy thowing temper tantrums on twitter, that is. 

On 5/5/2018 at 6:04 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

So.....

 

Hush money was paid to keep quiet about a ten year old extra-marital affair a few weeks before an election.

 

But, it had nothing to do with the election.

 

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Anyone going to dispute my take on this?

 

 

The payment was legal.

 

A campaign expense is defined as a payment that would only have occurred because of the election. Trump can show that he's been making these sorts of payments before. That day in court will be entertaining as hell - can you imagine him bringing a list of hookers he's paid off to court.

 

So - as this is a normal payment for him - it can't be proven to be a campaign expense. Similar things - buying yourself a suit to look good on the campaign is also NOT a campaign expense. 

 

But the most important thing people are missing here. It's a misdemeanor anyway. So whilst those with Trump Derangement Syndrome are hoping this will be enough to oust him, it won't.

On 5/5/2018 at 10:51 AM, Expatthailover said:

The money was paid from campaign funds therefore it has to be declared and fully accounted. 

It was hush money paid to a lady of the night for services rendered to a depraved overweight draft dodging liar.

Simple really

 

Fake fact.

 

The money was not paid from campaign funds, even the looniest of the left leaning 'news' outlets (CNN) haven't claimed that.

20 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Even if the funds came from Trump personally, if he paid to benefit his campaign he has to report the payment. Trump didn't and publicly stated he didn't know anything about the $130,000 payment.

 

What's not so simple is that Giuliani needs to be careful not to be so influenced by Trump to become a co-conspirator and engage in obstruction of justice with Trump to conceal the truth about the payment with the knowledge to protect Trump from a federal crime. Giuliani needs to refrain from interviews to voice his personal opinions while the case is before the court. He needs to act as Trump's attorney and not as his spokesman!

 

This is not true.

 

Campaign expenses are those that would ONLY have been incurred in the process of the campaign. So if Trump says he'd have paid this whether there was a campaign or not (as he has before), then it does not have to be reported as a campaign contribution/expense.

 

Otherwise, you could argue that every sandwich, haircut, holiday benefited the campaign. Y -  could argue that ANY money a politician spent from the time of the campaign starting was a campaign expense - after all, anything you eat gives you energy and you need energy to give a speech.

 

There is a line - and it's not where you imagine it is.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The pay off came from the Trump Campaign Finances:

https://www.inquisitr.com/4819278/five-days-after-trump-lawyer-paid-adult-film-star-130k-trump-org-billed-trump-campaign-129999-72

 

Come back when you have a better excuse for the liar in chiefs lies.

 

Hint: Don’t rely on Fox for your excuses.

 

Incorrect.

 

All that happened here is someone went through the documents filed and tried to find payments adding up to almost $130k.

 

They ignored a whole bunch of other payments that takes the number way above that.

 

If you look at the disbursements here: https://www.fec.gov/data/disbursements/?two_year_transaction_period=2016&data_type=processed&committee_id=C00580100&recipient_name=Trump+International&min_date=01%2F01%2F2015&max_date=12%2F31%2F2016

 

You can see there's loads of them. So finding some that equal $130k isn't a shock. What is a shock is that some people are naive enough to think it's some sort of smoking gun.