kalaminsa Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Airport-danger probe plea The government must investigate safety at Suvarnabhumi Airport's duty-free cargo facility and passenger terminal, according to Democrat Party deputy leader Alongkorn Pollabutr. The call follows news that potentially dangerous cracks have appeared on the airport runways. Repairs have commenced. Alongkorn worried the land on which the cargo facility was built had not been properly prepared and the building might subside. Subsidence under the passenger terminal has led to cracks in glass walling. "Airports of Thailand should urgently conduct an investigation into these matters," he said. The Transport Ministry will have to decide whether the airport can continue to operate if repairs conflict with takeoffs and landings and passenger movements. Alongkorn urged the Assets Examination Committee to consider action against former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and transport ministers during his tenure for damage to the state. The former opposition member of Parliament supported relocating domestic flights and some low-cost airlines to Don Muang airport. "This will ease the burden on Suvarnabhumi, which needs repairs," he said. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/28...al_30025288.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. nothing to do with building on a swamp then ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. nothing to do with building on a swamp then ?? No. Provided the design was correctly carried out for the soil conditions correctly predicted in the soil report written around test borehole results. Provided the correct number and size of piles were installed, driven to the correct depth. Provided the surface layer(s) of earth were removed to the correct depth and then replaced by the correct grade of backfill correctly compacted. Finally if the correct grade of concrete together with correct reinforcement was installed. If all that basic foundation work was done in accordance with the specifications everything would be fine. Unfortunately there are just too many opportunities for cost cutting for corrupt organisations not under rigourous supervision to miss out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 If building on swamps was impossible then large parts of the southeastern US, southern Vietnam, and so on would be uninhabitable. I've been involved in several "swampy" building projects and they came out just fine. Of course people are held accountable here if they pocket money at the expense of public safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Provided the design was correctly carried out for the soil conditions correctly predicted in the soil report written around test borehole results. Provided the correct number and size of piles were installed, driven to the correct depth. Provided the surface layer(s) of earth were removed to the correct depth and then replaced by the correct grade of backfill correctly compacted. Finally if the correct grade of concrete together with correct reinforcement was installed. Thailand .................... come on guys , i know that you can put anything anywhere with the right circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai_narak Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. nothing to do with building on a swamp then ?? No. Provided the design was correctly carried out for the soil conditions correctly predicted in the soil report written around test borehole results. Provided the correct number and size of piles were installed, driven to the correct depth. Provided the surface layer(s) of earth were removed to the correct depth and then replaced by the correct grade of backfill correctly compacted. Finally if the correct grade of concrete together with correct reinforcement was installed. If all that basic foundation work was done in accordance with the specifications everything would be fine. Unfortunately there are just too many opportunities for cost cutting for corrupt organisations not under rigourous supervision to miss out on. I agree. The problem is not because it was built on the swamp. There are many airports that were built in a man made island (land filled) but they are not sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingling Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I agree. The problem is not because it was built on the swamp. There are many airports that were built in a man made island (land filled) but they are not sinking. The one in Osaka is. (Kansai) The terminal building is on jacks and they have to adjust it every morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 It's not just Thailand: I believe Inchon airport is on an actual island, like HKG. So far, they have experienced a slight sinking of the runway and there are allegations of corruptions and flimsy construction already-even before it has opened http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gifThe clever people who planned the airport thought that it would be a good idea to build the supposedly "new hub of asia" with no rail link to mainland and Seoul so for the first few years of the airport, it looks like limousine buses are the only form of transport available which won't break your bank (ie taxis) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif I wish people who design and administrate the construction actually thought about what they're doing... it would make life so much easier... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/archive/ind...hp/t-27302.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 It's not just Thailand:[http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif[/url] The clever people who planned the airport thought that it would be a good idea to build the supposedly "new hub of asia" with no rail link to mainland and Seoul so for the first few years of the airport, it looks like limousine buses are the only form of transport available which won't break your bank http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/archive/ind...hp/t-27302.html The limousine buses at Seoul airport are spotlessly clean,cheap, punctual and comfortable. they still make the journey to the city effortless and its very easy to know where to go to catch them and when- that is definitely not the case here in Bangkok ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. Cdnvic: Don't forget about the blue face ghost. How you can make good quality if you are always afraid that the ghost is arround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I agree. The problem is not because it was built on the swamp. There are many airports that were built in a man made island (land filled) but they are not sinking. The one in Osaka is. (Kansai) The terminal building is on jacks and they have to adjust it every morning... Was that not a design feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I agree. The problem is not because it was built on the swamp. There are many airports that were built in a man made island (land filled) but they are not sinking. The one in Osaka is. (Kansai) The terminal building is on jacks and they have to adjust it every morning... Was that not a design feature? Yes. But, AFIK, it is nothing to do with settlement and I know nothing about the daily adjustment. The jacks are part of the seismic isolation system that ensures in the event of an earthquake the airport remanins undamaged and operational. Kuala Lumpur is built on marshy ground, the name means "muddy confluence" in the local Malay dialect, and there are some quite tall buildings here but the airport is a fair way away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingling Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 But, AFIK, it is nothing to do with settlement and I know nothing about the daily adjustment. The jacks are part of the seismic isolation system that ensures in the event of an earthquake the airport remanins undamaged and operational. According to the Kansai airport's own website it has all to do with uneven settlement. "This is the system that jacks up each of the buildings. It includes installing iron plates in order to adjust and even up the surfaces that slope or lean because of unequal settlement." But you are correct in that they don't make daily adjustments. "Jacking up of the pillars under the passenger terminal is done biennially." From: http://www.kiac.co.jp/en/tech/sink/sink4/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 The limousine buses at Seoul airport are spotlessly clean,cheap, punctual and comfortable. they still make the journeyto the city effortless and its very easy to know where to go to catch them and when- that is definitely not the case here in Bangkok ! Yeah, Incheon's still my favourite Airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai_narak Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 But, AFIK, it is nothing to do with settlement and I know nothing about the daily adjustment. The jacks are part of the seismic isolation system that ensures in the event of an earthquake the airport remanins undamaged and operational. According to the Kansai airport's own website it has all to do with uneven settlement. "This is the system that jacks up each of the buildings. It includes installing iron plates in order to adjust and even up the surfaces that slope or lean because of unequal settlement." But you are correct in that they don't make daily adjustments. "Jacking up of the pillars under the passenger terminal is done biennially." From: http://www.kiac.co.jp/en/tech/sink/sink4/index.html Hence, this is a design feature and got nothing to do with sub-standard construction. The japs design the buildings with jacks so they can adjust when necessary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Subsidence under the passenger terminal has led to cracks in glass walling. There’s more to it than subsidence, but we haven’t read about it in the papers yet. To save costs, a local company was used to build the steel structure and only 60% of the quantity of steel that would normally be required was used. The arched pylons are not sufficiently stable and even small movements can cause windows to crack. Before long, a part of the ceiling will fall down. My guess is that Suvarnabhumi will be shut down completely, all flights moved to Don Muang. -- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinrada Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Could do a nice Water Feature....very calming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Could do a nice Water Feature....very calming.... Yes, but they're supposed to feature water falling, not concrete and glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai_narak Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Could do a nice Water Feature....very calming.... It already has this "water feature" but only it was installed in the wrong place... In the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roswell43 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 While not excusing the present and/or former governments from blame, this sort of thing happens regardless of who's in charge so unfortunately shoddy building practices are more a part of the culture of mai pen rai and corruption than anything. nothing to do with building on a swamp then ?? No. Most of Changi Airport is built on reclaim land. Likewise for Hong Kong Airport. Is more related to corruption and mai pen rai attitude. With such culture, the dream of being a aviation hub will always be a dream..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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