White House official mocked 'dying' Senator McCain - media

[Thaidream]

3 minutes ago, Justfine said:

HC and McCain are 2 of the worst candidates to ever run.

Sorry to bust your bubble but Donald Trump is by far the worst candidate ever to not only run for President but to become President.  History will judge him harshly for fostering a return to racism; party politics and creating a huge divide in American society  and causing massive rifts with relations around the World.

 

I could probably stomach Trump if I saw him actually do something for the middle class and poor  but he  has done nothing except cause  suffering and  create an atmosphere of constant confrontation.  He can't find competent people in his administration because no one wants to work for him.

[Justfine]

"Leaving aside those who perished from disease, hunger, or lack of medical care, at least 3.8 million Vietnamese died violent war deaths according to researchers from Harvard Medical School and the University of Washington. The best estimate we have is that 2 million of them were civilians. Using a very conservative extrapolation, this suggests that 5.3 million civilians were wounded during the war, for a total of 7.3 million Vietnamese civilian casualties overall. To such figures might be added an estimated 11.7 million Vietnamese forced from their homes and turned into refugees, up to 4.8 millionsprayed with toxic herbicides like Agent Orange, an estimated 800,000 to 1.3 million war orphans, and 1 million war widows."

 

Americans should be ashamed.

[Justfine]

6 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Sorry to bust your bubble but Donald Trump is by far the worst candidate ever to not only run for President but to become President.  History will judge him harshly for fostering a return to racism; party politics and creating a huge divide in American society  and causing massive rifts with relations around the World.

 

I could probably stomach Trump if I saw him actually do something for the middle class and poor  but he  has done nothing except cause  suffering and  create an atmosphere of constant confrontation.  He can't find competent people in his administration because no one wants to work for him.

He's the president and meeting with NK leader soon. Something the previous dud presidents couldn't achieve due to being too busy starting wars and killing people.

 

[Ks45672]

2 minutes ago, Justfine said:

"Leaving aside those who perished from disease, hunger, or lack of medical care, at least 3.8 million Vietnamese died violent war deaths according to researchers from Harvard Medical School and the University of Washington. The best estimate we have is that 2 million of them were civilians. Using a very conservative extrapolation, this suggests that 5.3 million civilians were wounded during the war, for a total of 7.3 million Vietnamese civilian casualties overall. To such figures might be added an estimated 11.7 million Vietnamese forced from their homes and turned into refugees, up to 4.8 millionsprayed with toxic herbicides like Agent Orange, an estimated 800,000 to 1.3 million war orphans, and 1 million war widows."

 

Americans should be ashamed.

 

They are ashamed, most of them can't stop comfort eating since then

[Justfine]

"the middle class and poor "

 

They voted for him.

[Thaidream]

2 minutes ago, Ks45672 said:

Americans should be ashamed.

I  know exactly where I Corps in Vietnam is and what went on there and  I can honestly say that Mr Terse and  his concept of Killing Anything That Moves is completely wrong.

 

I worked with  every branch of service and I worked with  Many senior officers up to the rank of General and there was never any order to kill randomly and destroy innocent civilians.  My Lai was an aberration and there may have been a few more but nowhere near the numbers mentioned. However, there was a time when certain villages were declared Viet Cong  inhabited and supported and 'free fire ' zones existed and when attacked the Americans struck back.

 

The Us was at War with the Vietnamese and  they were trying to kill as many Americans as possible and so were the Americans but not in the way you are trying to describe.  If that was so- many would have talked about it and it could never be covered up.  I would have also had first hand knowledge of such things as I was present in all 4 Vietnamese Corps and I would have never covered up such things.It did not happen the way the author ia describing.

 

There is such a thing as a Code of Conduct in the US Military and also Rules of Engagement.

 

Just to set the record straight- I was firmly opposed to the Vietnam War and there is plenty of things that America got wrong in going after the Vietnamese- some may have even been manufactured.  The concept of the Domino Theory was in play and  the American Government  anti Communist.   

 

I would also remind you that America at the time- had conscription and  millions were drafted and sent to Vietnam and most really didn't want to go but went and did their duty. The majority served with honor  including SEnator John MCCain.

 

While many of us may feel remorse about how the war started and even prosecuted- and the death and destruction that resulted on both sides-  I will not be lectured by someone who was never there; never donned a uniform ; and never served in any capacity.

 

You can believe the writer if you want but I was there; I know the people who were there and I know the majority of us served with honor.

[simple1]

42 minutes ago, Justfine said:

HC and McCain are 2 of the worst candiates to ever run.

 

 

What's the point in posting your opinions which have nothing to do with the OP. Back on topic, Trump and members of his Administration have dragged civility to the bottom of the barrel.

Edited May 12, 2018 by simple1

[wabothai]

22 hours ago, Different said:

Well, Trump is not as bad as his racist white supremacists supporters.

He is worse

[wabothai]

19 hours ago, Justfine said:

"  It is worth noting that Trump is very highly regarded within the US Military, but McCain is not.  "

Not a surprise. Millions like Trump.

 

McCain was a dud candidate as well.

Billions dislike him

[Basil B]

57 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Vietnam invasion was criminal. Only criminals would support such a war.

 

 

There were many young Americans who did not support it but died all the same... they were not rich and could buy their way out of it.

 

This guy is going to start another war, will he reintroduce the draft if needed???

[Thaidream]

The majority of Americans who died and were maimed in the war were conscripts- Please stop try to tarnish their  reputation in the same manner that Donald Trump has attempted to tarnish the reputation of Senator MCCain.

 

The fact is that Trump used his wealth to get out of going into the military using 5 medical deferments.  He is the one who should be ashamed for what he did and how he has treated a real hero-John Mccain

 

We can argue  about  America's role in certain conflicts; whether Donald Trump is a good President or any other policy but let's draw the line at maligning people who served with honor- many of who had no choice but to enter  a war against their will.

 

 

[wabothai]

51 minutes ago, Justfine said:

He's the president and meeting with NK leader soon. Something the previous dud presidents couldn't achieve due to being too busy starting wars and killing people.

 

You apparently are blind to the recent warmongering of your beloved hero

[selftaopath]

21 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

The majority of Americans who died and were maimed in the war were conscripts- Please stop try to tarnish their  reputation in the same manner that Donald Trump has attempted to tarnish the reputation of Senator MCCain.

 

The fact is that Trump used his wealth to get out of going into the military using 5 medical deferments.  He is the one who should be ashamed for what he did and how he has treated a real hero-John Mccain

 

We can argue  about  America's role in certain conflicts; whether Donald Trump is a good President or any other policy but let's draw the line at maligning people who served with honor- many of who had no choice but to enter  a war against their will.

 

 

Thank you for your posts. I agree with you and am a VietNam era vet. 

  When I see some other posts on TV I wonder if Russia's propaganda wing has not infiltrated?

 

 

Edited May 12, 2018 by selftaopath
To add link.

[Thaidream]

24 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

Thank you for your posts. I agree with you and am a VietNam era vet. 

  When I see some other posts on TV I wonder if Russia's propaganda wing has not infiltrated?

 

 

Great clip-  What he said is exactly how I feel!!!

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

Thank you for your posts. I agree with you and am a VietNam era vet. 

  When I see some other posts on TV I wonder if Russia's propaganda wing has not infiltrated?

 Though I was too young at the time to have an opinion, I believe I would have being against the action but not the troops that were there, many against their will.

But I was not young enough not to be appalled by the treatment those young men received upon their return , especially after the hell they must have being through.  Trump's treatment of McCain seems to be a continuation of some of that same insensitivity.

  By the way, Trump said in regard to McCain "He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured. "  anyone with even the tiniest amount of functioning gray matter between their ears would immediately have known that Trump was talking trash! McCain was not a hero for being captured,he was a hero for the way he handled himself after he was captured!!!

  Trump talked Trash then and he talks trash now, but I don't find that as disturbing as the support he gets. Trump  is and was trash, the evidence of porn stars , etc , confirms it, That he talks trash is no surprise to me.  He is a feeble old man and one way or another will be gone in a a couple of years,  What I find more disturbing are his supporters who will be here for years to come, ripe for the picking by any new would be Tramps. 

[ELVIS123456]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542277/How-war-hero-John-McCain-betrayed-Vietnamese-peasant-saved-life.html

 

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2008/10/10/john-dramesis-unflattering-memories-of-his-fellow-pow-john-mccain

 

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

 

https://rightedition.com/2017/02/18/songbird-mccain-evidence-words-fellow-veterans-captors/

 

Nothing conclusive, but plenty of smoke and lots of allegations.  I view McCain as a very disliked Senator who was not a war hero - he was both an under-achiever in war and was over-awarded after war.  He took the path to politics at a young age, supported by his family connections, and made sure his past was as positive as possible - if not the truth. He failed in two attemptys to get the POTUS job and has been in conflict with Trump since day 1. He got out of the sick bed and went to ther Senate and then against every indication, walked to the middle of the room and like a Roman Ceaser put his arm out and thumb down and voted against repealing Obamacare - a traitor to the Republican Party right there. And so many other actions over the last few years that show this man is untrustworthy and is suffering TDS.   What was said about McCain is both warranted and true - but perhaps should have been kept private.  

[Becker]

1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542277/How-war-hero-John-McCain-betrayed-Vietnamese-peasant-saved-life.html

 

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2008/10/10/john-dramesis-unflattering-memories-of-his-fellow-pow-john-mccain

 

https://www.oathkeepers.org/breaking-news-john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released/

 

https://rightedition.com/2017/02/18/songbird-mccain-evidence-words-fellow-veterans-captors/

 

Nothing conclusive, but plenty of smoke and lots of allegations.  I view McCain as a very disliked Senator who was not a war hero - he was both an under-achiever in war and was over-awarded after war.  He took the path to politics at a young age, supported by his family connections, and made sure his past was as positive as possible - if not the truth. He failed in two attemptys to get the POTUS job and has been in conflict with Trump since day 1. He got out of the sick bed and went to ther Senate and then against every indication, walked to the middle of the room and like a Roman Ceaser put his arm out and thumb down and voted against repealing Obamacare - a traitor to the Republican Party right there. And so many other actions over the last few years that show this man is untrustworthy and is suffering TDS.   What was said about McCain is both warranted and true - but perhaps should have been kept private.  

I don't get it. Is this a defence of the aide to the man-child?

 

Oh, and you should have stopped at "Nothing conclusive..." because you're a defender of a draft dodging POS with no morals.

Edited May 12, 2018 by Becker

[off road pat]

On 11/05/2018 at 11:32 AM, Emster23 said:

Trump is showing his leadership style: bullying, insults, general nastiness. And that style is adopted by his minions.

He doesn't think John was a hero because he was captured? I guess that makes Trump a hero too. He made sure he wasn't captured by evading draft with fake disability. Military genius

As did Bill Clinton and George W Bush and so many sons of wealthy people !!! it's always the common man that has to fight wars and those who didn't to reap the benefits !

[ELVIS123456]

Former Trump adviser: ‘You have to understand that not everybody on this planet loves John McCain’

 

“McCain has for the longest time been a combative senator. He’s worked very hard against this president. He’s done things to undermine this president,” Mr. Caputo said. “You have to understand that not everybody on this planet loves John McCain. But at this point in time we all need to step back and let his family and the senator live in peace.”

 

“Politics ain’t bean bag,” he continued. “This is a very difficult arena and John McCain has been out there punching with the best of them.”

 

Mr. Caputo did concede that the comment about Mr. McCain’s death “was a joke made in bad taste.”

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/13/michael-caputo-ex-trump-adviser-not-everybody-plan/

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Former Trump adviser: ‘You have to understand that not everybody on this planet loves John McCain’

 

“McCain has for the longest time been a combative senator. He’s worked very hard against this president. He’s done things to undermine this president,” Mr. Caputo said. “You have to understand that not everybody on this planet loves John McCain. But at this point in time we all need to step back and let his family and the senator live in peace.”

 

“Politics ain’t bean bag,” he continued. “This is a very difficult arena and John McCain has been out there punching with the best of them.”

 

Mr. Caputo did concede that the comment about Mr. McCain’s death “was a joke made in bad taste.”

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/13/michael-caputo-ex-trump-adviser-not-everybody-plan/

There is a reason he is a former Trump adviser: looks like he has some decency.

[JimmyJ]

 

"A Complete History Of John McCain Calling For War Around The World"

 

Earlier this week notorious war hawk US Senator John McCain (R-Az) was diagnosed with brain cancer. While the liberal and conservative establishments are sending their regards, Geopolitics Alert instead compiled a list of reasons why we don’t care about McCain.

The list is of course a history of all the instances McCain has called for US-led intervention around the world. There’s obviously a long history here, so Geopolitics Alert has compiled the largest examples from Europe to Asia. We’ll start with the obvious wars first..."

 

" So, in summation, next time someone asks why you don’t care about John McCain’s clock running out, show them this article. McCain has encouraged the spread of death worldwide. The day he leaves congress will be a victory for the human race. "

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-22/complete-history-john-mccain-calling-war-around-world

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by JimmyJ

[JimmyJ]

jackanapessordi‏ @jackanapessordi

 

Replying to @ggreenwald @NicolleDWallace

 

it's a complete disservice to anyone with cancer the way McCain's is being used to silence dissent.

 

Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 20h20 hours ago

Glenn Greenwald Retweeted jackanapessordi

 

Exactly: exploiting McCain's illness to demand the right to publicly sanctify him as a hero and a great, noble man worthy of reverence - all while trying to bully his critics into silence on the grounds of "etiquette" - is just gross on all levels.

[JimmyJ]

On 5/12/2018 at 1:42 AM, Justfine said:

"Leaving aside those who perished from disease, hunger, or lack of medical care, at least 3.8 million Vietnamese died violent war deaths according to researchers from Harvard Medical School and the University of Washington. The best estimate we have is that 2 million of them were civilians. Using a very conservative extrapolation, this suggests that 5.3 million civilians were wounded during the war, for a total of 7.3 million Vietnamese civilian casualties overall. To such figures might be added an estimated 11.7 million Vietnamese forced from their homes and turned into refugees, up to 4.8 millionsprayed with toxic herbicides like Agent Orange, an estimated 800,000 to 1.3 million war orphans, and 1 million war widows."

 

Americans should be ashamed.

 

 

 

Hear, hear!

Edited May 14, 2018 by JimmyJ

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

jackanapessordi‏ @jackanapessordi

 

Replying to @ggreenwald @NicolleDWallace

 

it's a complete disservice to anyone with cancer the way McCain's is being used to silence dissent.

 

Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald 20h20 hours ago

Glenn Greenwald Retweeted jackanapessordi

 

Exactly: exploiting McCain's illness to demand the right to publicly sanctify him as a hero and a great, noble man worthy of reverence - all while trying to bully his critics into silence on the grounds of "etiquette" - is just gross on all levels.

There is more to it, he isn't a great man worthy of reference nor is he a villain.

Why make it out to be those are the only choices we have.

 

And no, imo his cancer is not being used to silence critics.

Edited May 14, 2018 by stevenl

[bristolboy]

As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think this is valid complaint. It was said in private and was a frank, if brutal assessment of McCain's importance or rather unimportance. There are plenty of genuinely awful things the Trump cabinet is up to. This is just a silly and pointless "gotcha".

[jcsmith]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

As much as I dislike Trump, I don't think this is valid complaint. It was said in private and was a frank, if brutal assessment of McCain's importance or rather unimportance. There are plenty of genuinely awful things the Trump cabinet is up to. This is just a silly and pointless "gotcha".

Would any other administration flat out refuse to apologize over this?

[selftaopath]

On 5/14/2018 at 3:30 PM, stevenl said:

There is a reason he is a former Trump adviser: looks like he has some decency.

Decency in swamp king's admin. is not allowed either in deed/action or thought. I hope this disgusting bunch of bastards are removed totally and forever. 

[Ks45672]

On 5/12/2018 at 5:27 AM, rudi49jr said:

No, it's not. Trump does nothing but lie, cheat, bully, and threaten. He's just a petty little cry-baby, trying to undo everything the previous president has done because he hates Obama's guts, nothing more, nothing less.

I wasnt talking about trump ?

Edited May 22, 2018 by Ks45672

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Ks45672 said:

I wasnt talking about trump ?

Strange, since the post you were reacting to said this about Trump: " He's morally bankrupt.  I am not. ".

[Ks45672]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Strange, since the post you were reacting to said this about Trump: " He's morally bankrupt.  I am not. ".

We have to take your own word for proof that you have morals now?