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[rooster59]

Top Trump aide says protected immigrants need path to citizenship

 

White House Chief of Staff John Kelly looks on before the arrival of the three Americans formerly held hostage in North Korea, at Joint Base Andrews, Maryland, U.S., May 10, 2018. REUTERS/Jim Bourg

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Immigrants from Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador and other countries who were given protected status to live in the United States should have a path to citizenship, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told National Public Radio on Friday.

 

Kelly said many of those with temporary protected status, or TPS, resulting from natural disasters or conflict have lived in the United States for decades, and that Congress should act.

 

"We should fold all of the TPS people that have been here for a considerable period of time and find a way for them to be on a path to citizenship," Kelly, one of President Donald Trump's top aides, said in an interview.

 

The Trump administration, under U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, has moved to revoke this special status and to expel tens of thousands of protected immigrants.

 

Earlier this month, the Department of Homeland Security said it would end protections for 57,000 Hondurans in January 2020, leaving them vulnerable to deportation.

 

Around 200,000 Salvadorans, 59,000 Haitians and 5,300 Nicaraguans will lose their status in 2019. Protections have also ended for 9,000 Nepalese immigrants and certain immigrants from Liberia.

 

Trump has pursued his crackdown on legal and illegal immigration since becoming president, promising to strengthen the nation's borders and to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

Critics, citing the nation's history of immigration, say Trump's policies are hostile to vulnerable people who work in the fast food, hospitality, child care and agriculture sectors, often for low wages.

 

Some U.S. lawmakers want immigration legislation before the November midterm election after previous bipartisan efforts failed.

Their plan, however, is aimed at so-called "Dreamers," immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children, and border security issues.

 

Kelly said that while most illegal immigrants "are not bad people ... they're also not people that would easily assimilate" into modern American society.

 

"They're overwhelmingly rural people," he told NPR. "They don't speak English ... They don't integrate well. They don't have skills."

 

Questions were raised about Nielsen's tenure after the New York Times reported that she had considered resigning after Trump criticized her at a meeting on Wednesday for what he said was her failure to secure U.S. borders.

 

A DHS spokesman denied the story. Fox News Channel, however, quoted Kelly as saying in an interview on Friday that he called Nielsen after the meeting urging her not to quit.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-05-12

[Redline]

Looks like Kelly will be the next to go

[mrwebb8825]

On 5/12/2018 at 11:12 AM, rooster59 said:

"We should fold all of the TPS people that have been here for a considerable period of time and find a way for them to be on a path to citizenship," Kelly, one of President Donald Trump's top aides, said in an interview.

I pretty sure there is a path already on the books. The 1st step on this path would be actually APPLYING for citizenship. It takes 8-10 yrs to become a US citizen and seeings as they've been here for over 20, I don't believe they want to be citizens. They would rather just have their own little country inside of ours so they don't have to give up the government freebies.

Edited May 15, 2018 by mrwebb8825

[Scott]

18 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

I pretty sure there is a path already on the books. The 1st step on this path would be actually APPLYING for citizenship. It takes 8-10 yrs to become a US citizen and seeings as they've been here for over 20, I don't believe they want to be citizens. They would rather just have their own little country inside of ours so they don't have to give up the government freebies.

Those with temporary protected status do not have a path to citizenship. 

 

You can apply for citizenship after 5 years of being a permanent resident.  

[sukhumvitneon]

Whelp, time to say goodbye.  Temporary means temporary and the US isn't a flophouse.

[Scott]

9 hours ago, sukhumvitneon said:

Whelp, time to say goodbye.  Temporary means temporary and the US isn't a flophouse.

I don't have a problem with removing temporary status one the actual need is over.   Sadly, waiting this many years is detrimental to many of them.  

 

I am simply trying to point out that for many, gaining permanent status is not an option.   For those that could (such as marrying a US citizen), it's probably best that they do so.  

[sukhumvitneon]

15 hours ago, Scott said:

I don't have a problem with removing temporary status one the actual need is over.   Sadly, waiting this many years is detrimental to many of them.  

 

I am simply trying to point out that for many, gaining permanent status is not an option.   For those that could (such as marrying a US citizen), it's probably best that they do so.  

Neither of these things are the US government's problem. America needs to take care of her own homeless and impoverished.

Edited May 16, 2018 by sukhumvitneon

[mrwebb8825]

17 hours ago, Scott said:

I don't have a problem with removing temporary status one the actual need is over.   Sadly, waiting this many years is detrimental to many of them.  

 

I am simply trying to point out that for many, gaining permanent status is not an option.   For those that could (such as marrying a US citizen), it's probably best that they do so.  

1 HUGE problem with the US government (mainly congress and the senate) is that they need to hire a small staff for each house just to keep track of timelines because they keep forgetting about things they did.

These staff members could open the 1st meeting of every month and "remind" the geriatric set that it's time to "take the pills" by announcing; "OK, temp status for X people due to Y issue in their country is now 1 yr old". "2 yrs old", "3 yrs old", etc. "The approved funding for ABC Research is now 5 yrs old with 0 results". This sort of thing.

Everybody spends so much time fighting to be in control that they completely forget all the laws and such that were passed over the years.

These people should have been sent home 1-3 yrs after they arrived and NObody should be allowed sanctuary because they don't like the politics or the elected officials. They should stay right the 'heck' there and fight to kick them out. If you don't care about your own home, why would you care about someone else's?

Edited May 16, 2018 by mrwebb8825

[Scott]

2 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

1 HUGE problem with the US government (mainly congress and the senate) is that they need to hire a small staff for each house just to keep track of timelines because they keep forgetting about things they did.

These staff members could open the 1st meeting of every month and "remind" the geriatric set that it's time to "take the pills" by announcing; "OK, temp status for X people due to Y issue in their country is now 1 yr old". "2 yrs old", "3 yrs old", etc. "The approved funding for ABC Research is now 5 yrs old with 0 results". This sort of thing.

Everybody spends so much time fighting to be in control that they completely forget all the laws and such that were passed over the years.

These people should have been sent home 1-3 yrs after they arrived and NObody should be allowed sanctuary because they don't like the politics or the elected officials. They should stay right the 'heck' there and fight to kick them out. If you don't care about your own home, why would you care about someone else's?

This, along with many other situations has been left FAR too long.   It's never a good idea to do that when dealing with people.   I think a lot of us have seen what happens when tourists stay in Thailand for years.   Eventually, they sort of settle in, have a family and then it's a sad story when they have to leave, especially if they can't bring their family with them.  

 

 

[sukhumvitneon]

18 hours ago, Scott said:

This, along with many other situations has been left FAR too long.   It's never a good idea to do that when dealing with people.   I think a lot of us have seen what happens when tourists stay in Thailand for years.   Eventually, they sort of settle in, have a family and then it's a sad story when they have to leave, especially if they can't bring their family with them.  

 

 

Equating Thailand with the US isn't a fair comparison by a long shot.  The US has birthright citizenship, owed to the poor interpretation of the 14th amendment which was meant to ensure former slaves weren't denied the same, but that's an argument for another day, where the children of the illegals are on equal footing for jobs/college places with US persons who were born there or otherwise immigrated legally.  These kids can vote and therefore shape government policy.  They compete with other US citizens for jobs, scholarships, and universities with in-state tuition with families that have lived there and paid tax in for generations.

 

Try introducing those policies in Thailand and let me know how it works out for you.

[mrwebb8825]

On 5/17/2018 at 1:14 PM, sukhumvitneon said:

Equating Thailand with the US isn't a fair comparison by a long shot.  The US has birthright citizenship, owed to the poor interpretation of the 14th amendment which was meant to ensure former slaves weren't denied the same, but that's an argument for another day, where the children of the illegals are on equal footing for jobs/college places with US persons who were born there or otherwise immigrated legally.  These kids can vote and therefore shape government policy.  They compete with other US citizens for jobs, scholarships, and universities with in-state tuition with families that have lived there and paid tax in for generations.

 

Try introducing those policies in Thailand and let me know how it works out for you.

You really need to do a little research before posting drivel.

"Dreamers on the campaign trail: 'We cannot vote, but we do have a voice'"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/25/latino-voters-clinton-sanders-campaigns-dreamers

 

"Many state colleges and universities charge undocumented students out-of-state tuition fees (even if the student is a longtime resident of the state). "

https://citizenpath.com/college-education-dreamers/

[bristolboy]

On 5/17/2018 at 1:14 PM, sukhumvitneon said:

Equating Thailand with the US isn't a fair comparison by a long shot.  The US has birthright citizenship, owed to the poor interpretation of the 14th amendment which was meant to ensure former slaves weren't denied the same, but that's an argument for another day, where the children of the illegals are on equal footing for jobs/college places with US persons who were born there or otherwise immigrated legally.  These kids can vote and therefore shape government policy.  They compete with other US citizens for jobs, scholarships, and universities with in-state tuition with families that have lived there and paid tax in for generations.

 

Try introducing those policies in Thailand and let me know how it works out for you.

mrwebb8825 was entirely correct in his critique of your posting. But there is something else in there fundamentally wrong. It's your notion that the giving the dreamers jobs is somehow bad for the economy. So let's do a thought experiment. Instead of the dreamers, let's arbitrarily extract a randomly chosen cohort of Americans who correspond demographically to the Dreamers in terms of education, language prociency etc.. Would subtracting them from the United States be good or bad for the economy? The odds are overwhelming that it would be bad. Young people about to enter the labor force are very much a plus for the economy. They are healthy, and whatever funds have been used to educate them are already mostly invested in them. They are about to start families with all the demand that such activity creates. If only we could wave a magic wand and create such a cohort. But we can't. So why throw this one away?

[Johnniey]

On 15/05/2018 at 10:49 AM, Scott said:

Those with temporary protected status do not have a path to citizenship. 

 

You can apply for citizenship after 5 years of being a permanent resident.  

So it's easier for us to get Thai citizenship, especially if married to a local -  interesting.