One killed in Paris knife attack by man shouting 'Allah Akbar'

[Opl]

25 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Very good post.

Unfortunately, in the case of France (Paris ) the myopic authorities have been too slow to acknowledge that.

How to deal now, with a Muslim country inside the country itself ?

Note that i'm not blaming the population of either side , i am blaming the authorities for letting things go too far.

on the one hand, new immigrants - 1st generation- feel more secure to gather with people of the same country if not village of origin and get helped, keep the links with their homeland (phone , internet, TV, etc..) and tend to make less efforts to learn about their new country  of residence, not even the language ( you can find your way with a GPS) ; and on the other the " locals" now understand they better undertake an avoidance strategy if they do not want to feel "besieged" in their own country: what kind of neighborhood? who do you want your kids to be friends with and influenced by? etc..

 

 

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[simple1]

15 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

To repeat again, public opinion in France is getting fed up and is calling for Macron to wake up and start to detain those on the "fiches S" (watch lists). Ok the fellow had no criminal record under what the current french Code Pénal requires, but the law needs to be reformed by l'Assemblée Nationale (the French Parliament) and criminalize those on the Fiches S, thus enabling them to be plainly arrested. But Macron is more business oriented and his priorities are elsewhere obviously.

Nonsense, Macron is very active with taking on the Islamist threat. 'Fiche S' has about 20,000 people on the list, from football hooligans up in level of threat - deport French football hooligans or those just under suspicion - try getting such a law enacted, not.

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[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

on the one hand, new immigrants - 1st generation- feel more secure to gather with people of the same country if not village of origin and get helped, keep the links with their homeland (phone , internet, etc..) and tend to make less efforts to learn about their new country  of residence, not even the language ( you can find your way with a GPS) ; and on the other the " locals" now understand they better undertake an avoidance strategy if they do not want to feel "besieged" in their own country: what kind of neighborhood? who do you want your kids to be friends with and influenced by? etc..

 

 

Well, things have happened so quickly in the last 2/3 decades, still, one has the right to question the work of the politicians, who have the resources to plan a better social-engineering.

Like i said, it's unfair imho to blame everything on the Muslim populace, and in the same time i can appreciate the discomfort of the locals.

It needs some seriously cool head to get out of this mess, and violence can never be the answer in a civil society.

[FreddieRoyle]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Nonsense, Macron is very active with taking on the Islamist threat. 'Fiche S' has about 20,000 people on the list, from football hooligans up in level of threat - deport French football hooligans or those just under suspicion - try getting such a law enacted, not.

Can you please stop trying to muddy the waters here. There is NOTHING in common between football thugs and islamists. One are low IQ sports fans that get carried away at matches trying to throw a few punches at the other teams fans. The other are a vile group of ideologists wanting all the trappings of strict islam in the west - that are sadly aided by naive westerners and fellow ideologists that support them while pretending to be horrified. It is called taqqiya, is it not? 

 

 Looking at the deaths and casualties in France by Islamists considering their religions small minority status makes horrifying reading. We have 2 choices. Continue pretending that all is hunky dory and have umpteen hundreds or thousands more innocent French people slaughtered and maimed, or start dealing with the problem. The Japanese had the right idea, we could emulate them?

 

and BTW contrary to whatever you read, their goal is not to sow fear. Their goal is to conquer/takeover our countries. History offers proof (if any was seriously needed!). Saying that we shouldn't discus the serious problem Islamists brought to western nations is exactly what they want, seeing as open and honest discussions and then dealing with it would stop their goal being reached. 

 

 

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[simple1]

11 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Can you please stop trying to muddy the waters here. <snip>

Muddy the waters - that's rich coming from you with your constant stream of misinformation.

 

Understand context, easy if you engage your brain. News reports reference 'Fiche S' with some posters then going on to state deport all on the 'Fiche S' list.

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[tryasimight]

17 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said:

There can be no such thing as an agnostic Muslim. A Muslim has to believe with absolute certainty that Allah exists, and the punishment for leaving Islam is death. This is according to Sharia, which is based primarily on Quran and Sunnah.

 

Such a peaceful religion.

What I've always found strange is that a person can believe in God still be an infidel.  Then again the Muslims who believe in Mohamed and not his uncle hate each other and kill each each other based on the difference.

To me that makes it as silly in believing in a man called Jesus or a man called Mohammed or his uncle. 

 

Where does god enter the equation..... All man made lunatic constructs in my opinion based on primitive experiences and beliefs slowly modernised to suit some medieval persons agenda. 

 

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[Opl]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Millions of Muslims living peaceful, law abiding lives in the west expose you’re ‘oil and water’ statement as the nonsense it is.

 

Yes they do indeed , as long as they keep their faith private, and do not show it off.

In some non muslim countries we do not have blasphemy laws for instance, and do protect freedom of speech, free press, so do not bring political islam to challenge our tolerance - our democratic laws prevail. 

 

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[Scott]

4 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Very good post.

Unfortunately, in the case of France (Paris ) the myopic authorities have been too slow to acknowledge that.

How to deal now, with a Muslim country inside the country itself ?

Note that i'm not blaming the population of either side , i am blaming the authorities for letting things go too far.

Many European countries have faced unfettered immigration of Muslims for a while and this has resulted in little active attempts to set up programs that provide integration.   It also depends on the attitude of the community and how accepting it is.   Several things to keep in mind:

 

1.   What is the background of the incoming immigrants?   Are they well educated enough to be successfully integrated?   The two best sources for integrating people are employment and schools.   They both help people from gravitating toward forming or getting into a ghetto.  Some people really are not a good candidate for resettlement because they have no real skills that will facilitate integration.

 

2.   Is the gov't making sure that they are not all settled in the same area?   If they are all placed in the same area, the chances of integration are lessened.  

 

3.  Does the country have adequate jobs to accommodate new arrivals?   New immigrants need to be employed relatively quickly.   Unemployment (and low income levels) are a hotbed for all sorts of negative influences.   Gangs are a big problem with some groups in the past.

 

4.   There has to be an orderly resettling of people.   This has been a problem for Europe.