Four years after coup, Thais tire of corruption and democratic delays

[SupermarineS6B]

These boys have got their noses firmly jammed in the trough and it's going to take a hell of a yank to get them out........ The worst fact is that there's nobody at the top to stop them when they eventually turn on the people as we all know that's going to happen, sooner or later........ Personally i'd be giving Don Trump a call for a bit of outside intervention, because i doubt if it will be strong enough from within the country.........This boy was staying when he put the pink suit on.........

[Samui Bodoh]

19 minutes ago, JAG said:

Yes, and isn't it ironic, perhaps the ultimate irony, that if the last election had been allowed to run it's course, rather than having been forestalled by a coup which installed a junta, the elected government would now - four years later - be preparing to answer to the electorate! 

Instead we have had an utterly unaccountable junta, which shows every indication of staying in power for the foreseeable future as well.

 

How does the mantra go: "reforms before elections"?

Excellent post.

 

I would even go a step further. But, before I do, let me make it clear that this is speculation on my part; call it counter-factual history.

 

I firmly believe that Thaksin would have finished his second term and then been defeated in a free and fair election. My reasoning? He is/was an arrogant piece of work and I think the Thai people would have tired of him after 2 terms. I can't prove it, but I can easily imagine that Abhisit could have led the Dems to victory (a legitimate one, not the army-arranged kind) in 2008 or 2009 as he still had a reputation in those days. 

 

What would Thailand be like if the scenario above was allowed to take place? Again, it is speculation on my part, but I would say a more economically prosperous place, a freer place, and simply put, a nicer place. And that is not to mention the institutionalization of the peaceful hand-over of power, something that is priceless.

 

Instead, we see the vile behaviour of the self-entitled.

 

Sad times for Thailand...

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[SupermarineS6B]

4 hours ago, Anak Nakal said:

Thai people want army go.

Army have guns.

Do what?

Outside intervention......... there's no other way now......

[SupermarineS6B]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You reckon!

I remember the last time they tried that in 92....... didn't work out too well for the people, but thankfully the late great King stepped in and made the dipstick that gave the orders crawl on his hands and knees for forgiveness....... unfortunately i don't see this happening in the future.......

[SupermarineS6B]

3 hours ago, greeneking said:

Prem or another one?  Got a Coronation to sort out too.  Examples of unrest will be further excuses.  And not yet finished Parliament building.  And waiting for 'lucky' day confirmation from the temple.

I reckon it'll be someone abroad if you get my drift..........

[Odysseus123]

4 minutes ago, SupermarineS6B said:

Outside intervention......... there's no other way now......

That will not happen.

 

Thailand,Myanmar.Laos and Cambodia are not important enough to do so.

 

Their extraordinarily woeful history of chronic despotism will continue unabated.

 

There are two major players..China and India and  three secondary ones-Singapore,Malaysia.Vietnam and perhaps Indonesia eventually-making four.

 

Thailand has not really made the cut since the mid-seventies.

[PatOngo]

4 hours ago, ICECOOL said:

Thai's and many expats like a little bit of corruption and think it's OK. Problem is you cannot just have a little bit. 

....like being ALMOST a virgin!

[SupermarineS6B]

18 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

That will not happen.

 

Thailand,Myanmar.Laos and Cambodia are not important enough to do so.

 

Their extraordinarily woeful history of chronic despotism will continue unabated.

 

There are two major players..China and India and  three secondary ones-Singapore,Malaysia.Vietnam and perhaps Indonesia eventually-making four.

 

Thailand has not really made the cut since the mid-seventies.

I was rather hoping that the US might just get tired of this little man, afterall the US has had a lot to do with Thailand since WW2 and after Vietnam i don't think they like too much Chinese (Communist) intervention .........

[GarryP]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

How about making sure that all the money they made gets confiscated, and a jail term. I understand the inactive posts during an investigation (in other countries they are send home during an investigation). 

That goes without saying. All ill gotten gains and property bought therewith must be seized. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, GarryP said:

That goes without saying. All ill gotten gains and property bought therewith must be seized. 

I know.. but have you ever read about criminal procedures against corrupt officials (only time i seen it was with the perpetrators of the rice scam... it should be applied for everyone. 

[GarryP]

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

I know.. but have you ever read about criminal procedures against corrupt officials (only time i seen it was with the perpetrators of the rice scam... it should be applied for everyone. 

No. I believe some of the officials caught out in the "stealing from the poor scam" were dismissed and their pensions revoked. But they were not imprisoned. I am not sure about asset seizures either.

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, SupermarineS6B said:

Outside intervention......... there's no other way now......

Yes there is other way like a counter coup.

[bangkoken]

This Prime Minister is not the people's choice. He is arrogant and forceful. He rejects what the people want in the name of democracy yet, refuses to allow a new and legal election. First: He needs to step down.

[neeray]

3 hours ago, bangkoken said:

This Prime Minister is not the people's choice. He is arrogant and forceful. He rejects what the people want in the name of democracy yet, refuses to allow a new and legal election. First: He needs to step down.

Agreed. But he and his crew has written a new constitution that if I understand correctly, the army can override any decision of a new government for the next 20 years. So effectively, the army remains in control. P and P are a crafty pair.

[baboon]

10 hours ago, SupermarineS6B said:

These boys have got their noses firmly jammed in the trough and it's going to take a hell of a yank to get them out........ The worst fact is that there's nobody at the top to stop them when they eventually turn on the people as we all know that's going to happen, sooner or later........ Personally i'd be giving Don Trump a call for a bit of outside intervention, because i doubt if it will be strong enough from within the country.........This boy was staying when he put the pink suit on.........

Forget it. Short of Pol Pot the outside world will do precisely nothing, save for a few tuts and yellow flags extendable indefinitely. The Thais are on their own.

[Odysseus123]

25 minutes ago, baboon said:

Forget it. Short of Pol Pot the outside world will do precisely nothing, save for a few tuts and yellow flags extendable indefinitely. The Thais are on their own.

Agreed.

 

One has to remember that the the US actually thought that Pol Pot was the antz pantz and it was the Vietnamese who (quite correctly) did not agree.

 

Once the last colonial war was lost the region became a strategic cul-de-sac for the West as it is (apart from Vietnam) not on the Pacific Rim

Edited May 17, 2018 by Odysseus123

[SupermarineS6B]

18 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes there is other way like a counter coup.

Yep, i just hope that a certain Mr T is having regular holidays in Deutschland chatting with an individual who is AWOL........ Enough said there.....

[Eric Loh]

45 minutes ago, SupermarineS6B said:

Yep, i just hope that a certain Mr T is having regular holidays in Deutschland chatting with an individual who is AWOL........ Enough said there.....

There are enough internal fractions to start one without him. Those big cases like the Victory Secret and the Don Muang New Market are manifestation of the in-fighting and jealousy among the military and police. If something will happen, not many will be on the side of the incumbents. Wouldn’t be pleasant for these corrupt military men.

[GarryP]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There are enough internal fractions to start one without him. Those big cases like the Victory Secret and the Don Muang New Market are manifestation of the in-fighting and jealousy among the military and police. If something will happen, not many will be on the side of the incumbents. Wouldn’t be pleasant for these corrupt military men.

Interesting New Mandala article on Victoria's Secret. 

[Eric Loh]

Just now, GarryP said:

Interesting New Mandala article on Victoria's Secret. 

Read that and they have to gag Chuvit said a lot. 

[smutcakes]

On May 17, 2561 BE at 9:50 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. Always been there, and like all cancers grows and grows until it kills its host.

 

But this coup was partly justified on removing a very corrupt regime and then cleaning up corruption,

 

As we have seen, unfortunately they seem to be more a part of the problem than the solution!

 

And, yes, here greed, selfishness and face conquers all. 

Which anyone with even paper thin knowledge of Thailand knew at the time of the coup.

[holy cow cm]

There will be dancing in the streets when the Junta with their BS Big P and small p are put into exile having their self imposed powerful dictatorship stripped and crushed from them. .

[KiwiKiwi]

3 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

There will be dancing in the streets when the Junta with their BS Big P and small p are put into exile having their self imposed powerful dictatorship stripped and crushed from them. .

I regret to say that the crushing will need to be done a little higher up the tree than Mr Piggy and his friend if future ppower-grabs are to be prevented. To decide where the crusher is needed requires some clarity of thought vis-a-vis where the actual impetus for the coups has actually been coming from (hint: it hasn't been the army or any former member of the army).

Edited May 18, 2018 by KiwiKiwi