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[janclaes47]

48 minutes ago, smotherb said:

As a former FBI counterintelligence agent, I know

 

Not another one.

 

We until recently had another member like that, but he is now subject of another thread, where he got caught by wait for it............FBI agents. ( the real ones)

[Aj Mick]

The Donald doth protest too much.

 

He won the election, Hillary lost, and Obama is yesterday's man.

 

If His Donaldship came to reign by fair means, he should not fear letting any probe run its course

 

If he is a lying, wannabe despot, who came to power by foul means, he is only delaying his inglorious end.

[atyclb]

14 minutes ago, smotherb said:

No, just plain old CORDS

 about vietnam war??

 

if so did there use to be gogo bars in vietnam?

[attrayant]

52 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidence.

 

The FBI, DOJ and its agents are under no obligation to keep you informed of their findings.

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 NO guilt,I already told you "Crossfire Hurricane" has been confirmed .

"It is somewhat funny, then, to read what The New York Times buries in paragraph 70 of the story":

"A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump’s advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts".

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/17/10-key-takeaways-from-new-york-times-error-ridden-defense-of-fbi-spying-on-trump-campaign/

 

Your question  "if Russian influence is supporting a candidate for POTUS; do you not think the FBI should investigate?” This is answered above . No crimes by Trump have been found because of russian influence in the Trump campaign 

 

Is it your logic, your reading comprehension, of your calendar? Did you not read,

"Counterintelligence investigations have a different purpose than their criminal counterparts. Rather than trying to find evidence of a crime, the FBI’s counterintelligence goal is to identify, monitor and neutralize foreign intelligence activity in the United States.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?utm_term=.ff1f1d2bba87

 

Mueller was appointed May 17, 2017.  And, we do not know what evidence Mueller has, so I doubt the federalist does either.

 

 

Just like your logic, you response to my question is flawed. I did not ask if any Trump crimes had been found. Let me rephrase it for you. Should the FBI just ignore Russian hacking to support any US presidential candidate? 

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

 

Not another one.

 

We until recently had another member like that, but he is now subject of another thread, where he got caught by wait for it............FBI agents. ( the real ones)

You too, you cannot read? I did not say I was a former FBI agent, it was a quote from the Washington Post and co cited.

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 about vietnam war??

 

if so did there use to be gogo bars in vietnam?

Some lovely ones on Nguyen Hue, Tu Do and Hai Ba Troung

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

 

The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidence.

Pay attention my misguided friend

 

Russia, Trump, and the 2016 U.S. Election

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/russia-trump-and-2016-us-election

 

Jump to Who accuses Russia of interfering in the election? - President Vladimir Putin ordered the effort, the U.S. agencies said in a January 2017 report ...

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election in order to increase political instability in the United States and to damage Hillary ...

‎Moscow–Washington hotline · ‎Timeline of Russian · ‎Foreign electoral intervention

Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It's Now Undeniable | WIRED

https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/

 

Feb 16, 2018 - In the wake of the Mueller indictment of a Russian troll farm, any attempt to claim that the 2016 presidential election wasn't affected by Russian ...

Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/.../robert-mueller-russians-charged-election

 

Feb 16, 2018 - Thirteen Russians have been criminally charged for interfering in the 2016 US election to help Donald Trump, the office of Robert Mueller, the ...

US charges Russians with 2016 election interference - Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/21f8a01a-1347-11e8-8cb6-b9ccc4c4dbbb

Feb 16, 2018 - The US justice department has indicted more than a dozen Russian individuals and groups for allegedly interfering in the 2016 election in an ...

Elections 2018: 9 experts on how to stop Russian interference in ... - Vox

https://www.vox.com/policy-and.../election-2018-russia-interference-stop-prevent

 

Feb 19, 2018 - "US intelligence and law enforcement officials cannot protect us ... and companies for the country's interference in the 2016 US elections.

Russian Hacking and Influence in the US Election - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking

 

Complete coverage of Russia's campaign to disrupt the 2016 presidential election.

2016 Election Hacking Fast Facts - CNN - CNN.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign.../index.html

 

5 days ago - For details about investigations into hacking and efforts to interfere with the election, see 2016 Presidential Election Investigation Fast Facts.

Russia-Trump inquiry: Russians charged over US 2016 election ...

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43092085

 

Feb 17, 2018 - Thirteen Russians have been charged with interfering in the US 2016 election, in a major development in the FBI investigation. Three of those ...

Putin on Russian interference in the 2016 US election: "I do not care ...

https://qz.com/.../putin-on-russian-interference-in-the-2016-us-election-i-do-not-care/

 

Mar 10, 2018 - Earlier this month, NBC's Megyn Kelly interviewed Russian president Vladmir Putin about the state of relations between his country and the US.

[riclag]

48 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Is it your logic, your reading comprehension, of your calendar? Did you not read,

"Counterintelligence investigations have a different purpose than their criminal counterparts. Rather than trying to find evidence of a crime, the FBI’s counterintelligence goal is to identify, monitor and neutralize foreign intelligence activity in the United States.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?utm_term=.ff1f1d2bba87

 

Mueller was appointed May 17, 2017.  And, we do not know what evidence Mueller has, so I doubt the federalist does either.

 

 

Just like your logic, you response to my question is flawed. I did not ask if any Trump crimes had been found. Let me rephrase it for you. Should the FBI just ignore Russian hacking to support any US presidential candidate? 

Their is  no evidence of  russian interference in the Trump campaign.Knowing what is in the news to date about the FBI and DOJ from the last 3 years in the handling of Clinton and surveillance of the Trump campaign and knowing the Russians have been involved for the last 20 years in trying to sow discord with in the US.No,sorry the FBI and DOJ don't decide to surveil a presidential candidate's campaign.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 Triple D (draft dodging Don) will exit stage left quite soon. And the world will celebrate the disappearance of a dangerous huckster fool.

 

Not so sure that's likely to happen, as lately, the chatter about D.C. has been that the special counsel is likely to only deliver a report to Congress (that at the moment is rabidly Republican partisan), and not likely under Justice Department policy to indict a sitting U.S. president. Who knows....

 

But were it to happen, Triple D would only to be replaced by a different but equally dangerous kind of fool -- the true believing God is on my side and everyone in the U.S. will follow God's dictates VP Pence.

Edited May 21, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

 

your post especially as a former fbi agent would have more credibility had you not included the pejorative term "dotard" as it could be perceived you are biased.  the dictator kim un coined that term so it is surprising an fbi agent would lend credence to an iron fisted murderer by quoting him.

??? dotard... from high Middle English, meaning old and feeble... peaked in usage over 200 years ago ( well before Kim was born)

 

cheers... I had to look that up... live and learn ?

[farcanell]

58 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not so sure that's likely to happen, as lately, the chatter about D.C. has been that the special counsel is likely to only deliver a report to Congress (that at the moment is rabidly Republican partisan), and not likely under Justice Department policy to indict a sitting U.S. president. Who knows....

 

But were it to happen, Triple D would only to be replaced by a different but equally dangerous kind of fool -- the true believing God is on my side and everyone in the U.S. will follow God's dictates VP Pence.

???? triple D... lol... makes him sound like a giant tit!

 

oh... wait... right.???

Edited May 21, 2018 by farcanell

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

U.S, Attorney Andrew McCarthy: "Crossfire Hurricane"

"There was no criminal predicate to justify an investigation of any Trump-campaign official,” So, the FBI did not open a criminal investigation. Instead, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation and hoped that evidence of crimes committed by Trump officials would emerge.”

He wrote it is “an abuse of power to use counterintelligence powers, including spying and electronic surveillance, to conduct what is actually a criminal investigation.”

http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/n-y-times-confirms-obama-spied-on-trump/

I never said Obama ordered the spying

 

No you did not say Obama ordered the spying.

 

It was Trump who repeatedly made that claim.

 

Now he’s claiming a legitimate counter intelligence operation is a witch hunt.

 

He, and you, should answer the question why did Trump employ at least three people who we now know to be Russian agents?

 

The truth will (despite Trump’s best efforts) out.

[simple1]

As the Mueller investigation progresses Trump is being more and more hysterical. Trump and his sycophants should hang their heads in shame in their ugly efforts to undermine law and order. 

 

The FBI informant has now allegedly been identified...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Halper

[atyclb]

8 hours ago, farcanell said:

??? dotard... from high Middle English, meaning old and feeble... peaked in usage over 200 years ago ( well before Kim was born)

 

cheers... I had to look that up... live and learn ?

 

i didnt mean kim actually created it but he used it recently

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not so sure that's likely to happen, as lately, the chatter about D.C. has been that the special counsel is likely to only deliver a report to Congress (that at the moment is rabidly Republican partisan), and not likely under Justice Department policy to indict a sitting U.S. president. Who knows....

 

But were it to happen, Triple D would only to be replaced by a different but equally dangerous kind of fool -- the true believing God is on my side and everyone in the U.S. will follow God's dictates VP Pence.

Though Pence is not a great alternative, at this point, I would take Justin Bieber, Dennis the Menace, Dave Chappell, Mylie Cyrus, or even Morning Joe, over Tiny Don. Anyone. No need to suffer more humiliation. Every time this tiny minded, weasel fool opens his mouth, he either says something fabulously stupid, or shoots himself in the foot. He is the proverbial village idiot. At least Pence is an eloquent speaker. Triple D. is an embarrassment, every time he opens that foul, nasty, hateful mouth of his. He is a malcontent. He wakes up every morning miserable, and takes it out on the planet. What a goon. What a huckster. What a charlatan. 

 

Little Don. The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life.

[Silurian]

It is illegal for foreign governments (or its people) to be involved in US elections yet time and time again the reality TV candidate's campaign seemed to be open to it. Not only was Russia interested in getting Donald elected, now Saudi Arabia and the UAE wanted to help him win as well. How many countries are involved with the Republican's candidate's campaign? How were they involved? Are those foreign governments now getting special treatment? Are those foreign governments giving the current WH administration and their families special deals and favors?

 

Donald Trump Jr. and Trump aides were reportedly open to foreign help in 2016 election beyond Russia

 

Quote

Russia isn’t the only country Donald Trump Jr. was open to meeting with about getting a boost for his father’s presidential campaign. According to a report from the New York Times on Saturday, the president’s son also met with an Israeli social media specialist and an emissary for the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia who said the countries wanted to help Donald Trump win.

 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Silurian

[Chomper Higgot]

13 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidence.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

OP-The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidends

So why didn't the previous administration do anything about it,Russian Interference in early 2014?

"The International Business Times reported that the United States Department of State planned to use a unit formed with the intention of combating disinformation from the Russian government, and that it was disbanded in September 2015 after department heads missed the scope of propaganda before the 2016 U.S. election".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

OP-The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidends

So why didn't the previous administration do anything about it,Russian Interference in early 2014?

"The International Business Times reported that the United States Department of State planned to use a unit formed with the intention of combating disinformation from the Russian government, and that it was disbanded in September 2015 after department heads missed the scope of propaganda before the 2016 U.S. election".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

So you are now accepting the Russian interference took place.

 

Tiny steps but we’ll get there.

 

The truth will ( despite Trump’x best efforts) out.

[Opl]

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

OP-The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidends

So why didn't the previous administration do anything about it,Russian Interference in early 2014?

"The International Business Times reported that the United States Department of State planned to use a unit formed with the intention of combating disinformation from the Russian government, and that it was disbanded in September 2015 after department heads missed the scope of propaganda before the 2016 U.S. election".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/garry-kasparov-reveals-unusual-change-occurred-russia-trump-became-president/

 

Garry Kasparov

 

✔ @Kasparov63

 

 

Trump is more outraged about the FBI investigating Russian interference in his campaign & the election than he is about the interference. Personal interest over national security. https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/998257279102222336 …

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[riclag]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you are now accepting the Russian interference took place.

 

Tiny steps but we’ll get there.

 

The truth will ( despite Trump’x best efforts) out.

Sounds like the reason wasn't clear was they were to busy hiding behind a illegal counterintel Opp in side the Trump campaign, to bring down a a Presidential candidate.

"So why didn't Obama's administration do more"?

"That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively".

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/587614043/fact-check-why-didnt-obama-stop-russia-s-election-interference-in-2016

[riclag]

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/garry-kasparov-reveals-unusual-change-occurred-russia-trump-became-president/

 

Garry Kasparov

 

✔ @Kasparov63

 

 

Trump is more outraged about the FBI investigating Russian interference in his campaign & the election than he is about the interference. Personal interest over national security. https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/998257279102222336 …

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The left wants to hang him by his short hairs . The Pure left want's to mock him again for defending himself.How dare he react with such impunity .

[attrayant]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

OP-The same FBI that claims that Russia interfered in the US elections, but so far hasn't come up with the slightest evidends

So why didn't the previous administration do anything about it,Russian Interference in early 2014?

 

Wait a minute.  Are we angry at Obama for not doing anything about Russian interference or are we angry at Obama for doing something about Russian interference by putting agents into the campaigns to look for evidence?

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Wait a minute.  Are we angry at Obama for not doing anything about Russian interference or are we angry at Obama for doing something about Russian interference by putting agents into the campaigns to look for evidence?

Obama didn't put agents into the Trump campaign.

[smotherb]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

Their is  no evidence of  russian interference in the Trump campaign.Knowing what is in the news to date about the FBI and DOJ from the last 3 years in the handling of Clinton and surveillance of the Trump campaign and knowing the Russians have been involved for the last 20 years in trying to sow discord with in the US.No,sorry the FBI and DOJ don't decide to surveil a presidential candidate's campaign.

Oh please. How is it you know that? You do not even know what evidence Mueller has yet or will find if Trump isn't allowed to stop the investigation. Unless you really think Trump is guilty; how can you, or any other Trump supporter, not want to know the end to this? If it proves Trump's innocence, look at the advantage you will have over any naysayers.

 

"No,sorry the FBI and DOJ don't decide to surveil a presidential candidate's campaign."

Really, so all US intelligence agencies say the election is hacked by Russians in Trump's favor and the FBI says, oh, okay, let's investigate those people opposed to the wall.

 

Absolute garbage. It is the FBI's counterintelligence mission, "the FBI’s counterintelligence goal is to identify, monitor and neutralize foreign intelligence activity in the United States.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?utm_term=.ff1f1d2bba87

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Oh please. How is it you know that? You do not even know what evidence Mueller has yet or will find if Trump isn't allowed to stop the investigation. Unless you really think Trump is guilty; how can you, or any other Trump supporter, not want to know the end to this? If it proves Trump's innocence, look at the advantage you will have over any naysayers.

 

"No,sorry the FBI and DOJ don't decide to surveil a presidential candidate's campaign."

Really, so all US intelligence agencies say the election is hacked by Russians in Trump's favor and the FBI says, oh, okay, let's investigate those people opposed to the wall.

 

Absolute garbage. It is the FBI's counterintelligence mission, "the FBI’s counterintelligence goal is to identify, monitor and neutralize foreign intelligence activity in the United States.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/if-the-fbi-used-an-informant-it-wasnt-to-go-after-trump-it-was-to-protect-him/?utm_term=.ff1f1d2bba87

Cybersecurity Firm That Attributed DNC Hacks to Russia May Have Fabricated Russia Hacking in Ukraine

"The cyber security firm outsourced by the Democratic National Committee, CrowdStrike, reportedly misread data, falsely attributing a hacking in Ukraine to the Russians in December 2016. 

 

"The report sheds further skepticism on CrowdStrike’s findings and objectivity in their conclusions, which several cyber security experts and former CIA and NSA officials have cast doubt on, especially given that several media outlets reported in early January 2017 that the DNC never allowed the FBI to examine their servers themselves, rather the FBI relied on forensic data gathered by CrowdStrike".

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/cybersecurity-firm-that-attributed-dnc-hacks-to-russia-may-have-fabricated-russia-hacking-in-ukraine/

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, riclag said:

Cybersecurity Firm That Attributed DNC Hacks to Russia May Have Fabricated Russia Hacking in Ukraine

"The cyber security firm outsourced by the  Democratic National Committee, CrowdStrike, reportedly misread data, falsely attributing a hacking in Ukraine to the Russians in December 2016. 

 

"The report sheds further skepticism on CrowdStrike’s findings and objectivity in their conclusions, which several cyber security experts and former  CIA and NSA officials have cast doubt on, especially given that several media outlets reported in early January 2017 that the DNC never  allowed the FBI to examine their servers themselves, rather the  FBI relied on forensic data gathered by CrowdStrike".

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/cybersecurity-firm-that-attributed-dnc-hacks-to-russia-may-have-fabricated-russia-hacking-in-ukraine/

You’re clutching at straws now.

 

Go read the Senate’s report on Russian hacking of the US election.

 

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Cybersecurity Firm That Attributed DNC Hacks to Russia May Have Fabricated Russia Hacking in Ukraine

"The cyber security firm outsourced by the Democratic National Committee, CrowdStrike, reportedly misread data, falsely attributing a hacking in Ukraine to the Russians in December 2016. 

 

"The report sheds further skepticism on CrowdStrike’s findings and objectivity in their conclusions, which several cyber security experts and former CIA and NSA officials have cast doubt on, especially given that several media outlets reported in early January 2017 that the DNC never allowed the FBI to examine their servers themselves, rather the FBI relied on forensic data gathered by CrowdStrike".

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/cybersecurity-firm-that-attributed-dnc-hacks-to-russia-may-have-fabricated-russia-hacking-in-ukraine/

You keep jumping topics. You don't know what evidence Mueller has and you cannot give a good reason against the FBI investigating Russian hacking in Trunmp's favor. Now, you are back onto Clinton. Same tactic Trump always pulls; blame Obama or Clinton--well NEWS FLASH, they are not in power. If that is such an issue, you contards have all three branches of government; charge Obama, Clinton and the DNC. Or are the libtards too smart for you? 

[FritsSikkink]

Even his own party is turning against Trump:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-bush-ethics-czar-trump-white-house-well-beyond-watergate/ar-AAxBUKf?ocid=spartandhp