Socialist Britain will not be 'ripped off any more' under Labour: McDonnell

[AsiaHand]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

And what far off universe are you on may I ask?

So pegman,is the US a republic or a democracy ? Do you know the difference ?

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, AsiaHand said:

So pegman,is the US a republic or a democracy ? Do you know the difference ?

Unless we are declaring the UK the 51st State of the USA, the question above is rather off-topic.

[SheungWan]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I haven't read a newspaper for many years, and am no worse off for that.

Indeed.

[SheungWan]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

But if we have several parties we can have better representation of the people. The current system means a choice between two whipped parties. I don't like either. The Brexit/Abbott/MacD trio rule out labour and I can't possibly support the CON/DUP mob!

What to do ?

Clearly spend more time wallowing about in a confected world that you would like it to be.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Unless we are declaring the UK the 51st State of the USA, the question above is rather off-topic.

The UK is the 50th state; California is the 28th member of the EU! ?

[Chomper Higgot]

On 5/21/2018 at 12:41 PM, SheungWan said:

One definite innovation would be to send the single mums to work in Pattaya. This might solve your 'hard to see a way out' problem.

I had to read that twice, such a cocktail of malicious idiocy is difficult to believe even when staring back at me in black and white.

 

It was welfare brought to the UK by socialism that ended the need for single mothers and deserted mothers having to turn to prostitution in order to feed themselves and their children.

 

Perhaps that’s the “golden age” you were banging on about earlier in this thread.

 

Here’s an innovation: Fail to pay maintenance, get you passport cancelled with no renewals until you pay for you children.

 

The result will without doubt be a reduction in expat Brits.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Socialism gave the UK the welfare state, Old age pensions, the NHS.

The welfare state doesn't work when too many people are benefitting from it and not enough contributing, as has happened, old age pensions were brought in when the average age of death was a lot lower than it is now, and the NHS is a hugely corrupt black hole in which billions is wasted ( I worked in the NHS for 10 years and it is about as corrupt as is possible to be without causing a political crisis ).

Justifying bad policies because they are "socialist" is not sustainable.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

socialism that ended the need for single mothers and deserted mothers having to turn to prostitution in order to feed themselves and their children.

While I fully support forcing errant fathers to support their offspring, I do not see why anyone should have to support single women ( I'm not referring to married women ) that were too ignorant ( or drunk ) to either say no, use contraception, the morning after pill or abortion.

There are large numbers of good potential parents that can't find a baby to adopt, so I see no reason why I should have to pay for other people's illegitimate mistakes.

 

We do not live in Victorian times before the pill was invented.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s an innovation: Fail to pay maintenance, get you passport cancelled with no renewals until you pay for you children.

 

Agree 100%, but some mothers either refuse to say who the father is, or they don't know which man it is. They shouldn't get anything unless they name the father, so he can be required to pay up.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The welfare state doesn't work when too many people are benefitting from it and not enough contributing, as has happened, old age pensions were brought in when the average age of death was a lot lower than it is now, and the NHS is a hugely corrupt black hole in which billions is wasted ( I worked in the NHS for 10 years and it is about as corrupt as is possible to be without causing a political crisis ).

Justifying bad policies because they are "socialist" is not sustainable.

 

The argument is not to maintain pensions, healthcare, welfare ‘because they are socilaist’.

 

Socialism provides the argument for these pillars of our claim to be s civilised nation.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%, but some mothers either refuse to say who the father is, or they don't know which man it is. They shouldn't get anything unless they name the father, so he can be required to pay up.

I agree, the small number of mothers who refuse to name the father should be denied welfare until they do.

 

But TBL, the bigger number is fathers who do not pay - very many of whom are expats running from their responsibilities.

[bert bloggs]

Be a single father and see if the ex ever pays a bean ,or is ever made to ,its a one way street ,believe me i know .

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The argument is not to maintain pensions, healthcare, welfare ‘because they are socilaist’.

 

Socialism provides the argument for these pillars of our claim to be s civilised nation.

No argument from me on that. All I'm saying is that "socialism" isn't an excuse to waste money on the lazy, old age pensions shouldn't be paid for those that are wealthy enough to not need them from the taxpayer, and the NHS has become a bloated pit of corruption.

I am a socialist, but it's not actual socialism in the UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The welfare state doesn't work when too many people are benefitting from it and not enough contributing, as has happened, old age pensions were brought in when the average age of death was a lot lower than it is now, and the NHS is a hugely corrupt black hole in which billions is wasted ( I worked in the NHS for 10 years and it is about as corrupt as is possible to be without causing a political crisis ).

Justifying bad policies because they are "socialist" is not sustainable.

 

TBL, correct me if I’m wrong.

 

I recall a post of yours in which you stated you do not have health insurance.  

 

If correct, what’s your plan for dealing with a serious health issue - BA010?

 

The comforts of knowing there’s a bit of socialism eh!

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I agree, the small number of mothers who refuse to name the father should be denied welfare until they do.

 

But TBL, the bigger number is fathers who do not pay - very many of whom are expats running from their responsibilities.

You are probably correct, but they should have their passports cancelled, so they can't lurk overseas to avoid their responsibilities. Also, if they have assets in the UK, those assets should be seized and sold to cover costs to the taxpayer.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

TBL, correct me if I’m wrong.

 

I recall a post of yours in which you stated you do not have health insurance.  

 

If correct, what’s your plan for dealing with a serious health issue - BA010?

 

The comforts of knowing there’s a bit of socialism eh!

I'd be interested to know which post that is, as I do have health insurance, and pay a great deal of money to have it. I have never travelled overseas without it.

[RuamRudy]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The welfare state doesn't work when too many people are benefitting from it and not enough contributing, as has happened, old age pensions were brought in when the average age of death was a lot lower than it is now, and the NHS is a hugely corrupt black hole in which billions is wasted ( I worked in the NHS for 10 years and it is about as corrupt as is possible to be without causing a political crisis ).

Justifying bad policies because they are "socialist" is not sustainable.

 

I think that our national obsession for fetishising the NHS is a problem - of course there are improvements that could be made if the will and the impetus was there; as you say, anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time working for it could, no doubt, come up with myriad ideas that would improve it and make it more efficient in all areas and to the benefit of all who work for it or rely upon it. 

 

It is not a bold statement to say that the current parlous state of the NHS is the deliberate result of Tory government policy - run it down, destroy the public's faith in it then bulldoze it away.

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd be interested to know which post that is, as I do have health insurance, and pay a great deal of money to have it. I have never travelled overseas without it.

Then I stand corrected, and apologize if I gave any offence.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%, but some mothers either refuse to say who the father is, or they don't know which man it is. They shouldn't get anything unless they name the father, so he can be required to pay up.

Starve 'em out.

Edited May 23, 2018 by SheungWan

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I think that our national obsession for fetishising the NHS is a problem - of course there are improvements that could be made if the will and the impetus was there; as you say, anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time working for it could, no doubt, come up with myriad ideas that would improve it and make it more efficient in all areas and to the benefit of all who work for it or rely upon it. 

It is not a bold statement to say that the current parlous state of the NHS is the deliberate result of Tory government policy - run it down, destroy the public's faith in it then bulldoze it away.

A lot of financial problems would go away if people would only stop living longer due to improved medicines.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, SheungWan said:

A lot of financial problems would go away if people would only stop living longer due to improved medicines.

A lot more would disappear if the UK clamped down on tax evasion and joined the CCCTB.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

A lot of financial problems would go away if people would only stop living longer due to improved medicines.

Surely the markets will intervene and the correct balance between longevity and cost will emerge? I am sure that there are some who have calculated the marginal cost of another day...

[SheungWan]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Surely the markets will intervene and the correct balance between longevity and cost will emerge? I am sure that there are some who have calculated the marginal cost of another day...

Huh? Another good example is the State Pension scheme. Much more expensive than when it was originally devised because people are refusing to die earlier. Result? Extra financial pressure on the state coffers.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Huh? Another good example is the State Pension scheme. Much more expensive than when it was originally devised because people are refusing to die earlier. Result? Extra financial pressure on the state coffers.

You are forgetting, when it was first devised only half the people entitled to pension paid into the scheme.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 hours ago, AsiaHand said:

What large corporations are not paying any tax? do you have the figures or is just normal mouthing off about what you do not know about.?

HMRC estimates around £5,800,000,000 per year.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/00de4f00-b754-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, SheungWan said:

A lot of financial problems would go away if people would only stop living longer due to improved medicines.

I'm hoping that that reality strikes home in the halls of our lords and masters, and they finally agree to allow voluntary euthanasia. I'm hoping sooner than later, so I don't end up rotting in front of day time tv in some horrible old folks institution.

[dick dasterdly]

23 hours ago, SheungWan said:

A lot of financial problems would go away if people would only stop living longer due to improved medicines.

I know you find it funny to make this sort of obvious troll post, but have no idea why you think it funny?

 

It reminds me of a friend's son who was attending college/university to gain a degree in nursing (or something of the sort) as he intended becoming a nurse.  Over a meal one night he declared that all people over 60 should be euthanised!  My friend quickly pointed out that he was young and therefore unthinking, and would change his mind once she and her husband were 60.

 

His comment was horrifying, but at least it was honest (from his unintelligent and unthinking POV) - unlike your post which you just thought funny to elicit enraged reactions....

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

I know you find it funny to make this sort of obvious troll post, but have no idea why you think it funny?

 

It reminds me of a friend's son who was attending college/university to gain a degree in nursing (or something of the sort) as he intended becoming a nurse.  Over a meal one night he declared that all people over 60 should be euthanised!  My friend quickly pointed out that he was young and therefore unthinking, and would change his mind once she and her husband were 60.

 

His comment was horrifying, but at least it was honest (from his unintelligent and unthinking POV) - unlike your post which you just thought funny to elicit enraged reactions....

Rest assured, gratuitously offensive comments come from troubled minds.