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33 minutes ago, Minnehaha said:

Why does it take 5 vehicles including a van and 15 men?

It looks so silly... like it is everyones first time. Automatic weapons? 

 

The man had an armed bodyguard at some time in the past, there was no way to know if they were still around. Remember some of his charges relate to the  abduction of a couple of police officers and torturing them.

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35 minutes ago, Minnehaha said:

Why does it take 5 vehicles including a van and 15 men?

It looks so silly... like it is everyones first time. Automatic weapons? 

Maybe this monk has a reputation of shooting around with machineguns?

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4 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Comical watching the fella with the sledgehammer. Someone who knew what they were doing, would have had that door open first hit. If that was  a serious gang inside, there would have been guns galore pointed at the door by the time he finally got it open.

Being left handed didn't help. He couldn't get a proper swing. A right handed man with a heavier sledge would have opened it first try.

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1 hour ago, Chang_paarp said:

 

The man had an armed bodyguard at some time in the past, there was no way to know if they were still around. Remember some of his charges relate to the  abduction of a couple of police officers and torturing them.

I didnt know that. Thanks!

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On 5/28/2018 at 2:48 PM, rkidlad said:

Yes, a temple containing monks who say they're Buddhist. 

if someone thinks he is a Buddhist - he is. this is what freedom of religion is all about.

 

or you think you have  a right to judge who is Buddhist and who is not?

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1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

if someone thinks he is a Buddhist - he is. this is what freedom of religion is all about.

 

or you think you have  a right to judge who is Buddhist and who is not?

People have the right to claim to be whatever they want. They can claim to be any religion they want to be. Unfortunately for them, other people also have the right to call BS when they're not practicing what they claim to be.

 

Don't like that idea? Then don't preach freedom of religion as if it trumps freedom of speech. You can't have your cake and eat it. 

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4 hours ago, rkidlad said:

other people also have the right to call BS when they're not practicing what they claim to be.

nobody has a right to judge others. also do you, foreigner, really think you know about Buddhism more than those who was born in this culture same as dozens of his ancestors?

 

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2 hours ago, Matt96 said:

nobody has a right to judge others. also do you, foreigner, really think you know about Buddhism more than those who was born in this culture same as dozens of his ancestors?

 

lol

People are free to judge whomever they want. We can especially judge bad people. Human beings have been judging each other for thousands of years. It’s a pretty important survival tool. 

 

As for your comment on foreigners understanding Buddhism, I assume you mean ‘farangs’. Well, I’ll let you into a little secret; Buddhism is a world religion which arose from India. Anyone is welcome to practise it. Oh, and Buddha is supposed to be from

Nepal or India. Can’t be too sure. What we can be sure of is he isn’t from Thailand. 

 

I’m an atheist who actually takes a great interest in different religions. I do nice things for no other reason than it’s  the decent thing to do. When I die, I want to be buried so I can decompose and give back to the earth. I want eff all in return. 

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10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

People are free to judge whomever they want. We can especially judge bad people. Human beings have been judging each other for thousands of years. It’s a pretty important survival tool. 

now, it's not. its an instrument to justify discrimination and to feel that you are better then the person you judge. as simple as that.

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

As for your comment on foreigners understanding Buddhism, I assume you mean ‘farangs’. Well, I’ll let you into a little secret; Buddhism is a world religion which arose from India.

sure. but those who studied it since childhood, who prayed and mediated know more about it than those who spent childhood watching porn , doing drugs, alcohol and learning to indulge himself, that any religion is a lie and that European civilization is superior towards all others and that the West has a right to tell other nations how to live.

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Anyone is welcome to practise it.

if somebody thinks he is practicing it does not necessary mean that he understands it. i saw so many delusional farangs drinking  in thai brothels with "Buddhist" tattoos who honestly believe they are Buddhists nevertheless Buddha himself told to avoid mind-altering substances.

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Oh, and Buddha is supposed to be from

Nepal or India.

and Jesus Christ was a jew. so what? it does not mean that Jew s know more about Christianity then other nations.

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

I’m an atheist who actually takes a great interest in different religions

you can believe you take a great interest in what ever you want. if you dont believe, dont practice religion  - you dont know anything about it. dont lie to yourself.

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

I do nice things for no other reason than it’s  the decent thing to do.

it depends on what things do you consider nice.))

 

10 hours ago, rkidlad said:

I want to be buried so I can decompose and give back to the earth. I want eff all in return. 

if you dont believe in life after death why do you worry about what will happen after your death? lol

 

scientifically, if your body will be buried or burned or dumped into methane bioreactor - all elements of your body will come back to natural cycle anyway.

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1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

now, it's not. its an instrument to justify discrimination and to feel that you are better then the person you judge. as simple as that

You're conflating judging people with racism and xenophobia, etc. I judge people on their actions. Not their race, religion or creed. Don't misrepresent others' ideas. 

 

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

sure. but those who studied it since childhood, who prayed and mediated know more about it than those who spent childhood watching porn , doing drugs, alcohol and learning to indulge himself, that any religion is a lie and that European civilization is superior towards all others and that the West has a right to tell other nations how to live.

I was raised Catholic. Went to Sunday school and did my holy communion. For me, it was a load of old nonsense. Now I'm an atheist. I do good things because it's the good thing to do. I don't want a reward. I'm not investing in my next life because that's doing good things for a reward. That's selfish. 

 

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

if somebody thinks he is practicing it does not necessary mean that he understands it. i saw so many delusional farangs drinking  in thai brothels with "Buddhist" tattoos who honestly believe they are Buddhists nevertheless Buddha himself told to avoid mind-altering substances.

I've also seen Thais do the same. To each their own. If adults wanna go for a smoke and a drink that's their business. To each their own. Hang on a second - it sounds to me like you're judging these people. You wouldn't do that, right? Also, what were you doing in a brothel watching grown men solicit prostitutes? 

 

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

you can believe you take a great interest in what ever you want. if you dont believe, dont practice religion  - you dont know anything about it. dont lie to yourself.

Religion isn't a secret code. It can be read, researched and understood. The problem is with how people interpret it. I know quite a lot about religion as it is something that interests me. Anyone can follow and practice a religion. People are free to do what they like. What they don't have the right to do is try and silence others when they call them out on their BS. 

 

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

it depends on what things do you consider nice.))

The basics - don't harm others, don't steal, don't cheat. Basically all the things I wouldn't want done on to me. Good morals aren't something owned by religion. They're common sense. 

 

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

if you dont believe in life after death why do you worry about what will happen after your death? lol

 

scientifically, if your body will be buried or burned or dumped into methane bioreactor - all elements of your body will come back to natural cycle anyway.

I don't worry about what will happen to me after I die. There's no point in worrying about that. I will be dead. But while I'm alive I can request when I die that I be buried in the ground. Why? So my body can feed the worms and help give back to the earth. Help the natural cycle and help new life. 

 

The greatest thing about debating religious zealots is that they maintain no consistency in their argument. They're just full of hot air and hypocrisy.  It's all too easy and rather pointless.

 

Opinions don't change facts. 

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1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

You're conflating judging people with racism and xenophobia, etc. I judge people on their actions. Not their race, religion or creed. Don't misrepresent others' ideas.  

you view there actions through a prism of your cultural background. therefore you consider your cultural background superior.

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

I was raised Catholic. Went to Sunday school and did my holy communion. For me, it was a load of old nonsense.

so you pretended to be a catholic in order to get social acceptation and benefits? how a person who spent his childhood in lie can think he knows more about Buddhism - religion of truth - than those who practiced it since they were born? ridiculous.

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

I do good things because it's the good thing to do.

and what does "good" mean for you? good for who?

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

I've also seen Thais do the same. To each their own.

did you see monks, who you judges, did this? or do you think that if some Thais do this - all Thais do? this is a collective responsibility - the first step to fascism

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Religion isn't a secret code. It can be read, researched and understood. The problem is with how people interpret it.

if you never meditated, if you cant read Tripitaka - you don't really know a shit about Buddhism. and how do I know that you did not? because otherwise you would not judge other Buddhists.

religion is not a math lesson. it's all about personal communication with an absolute. and no one else can really have a justified judgement about this.

for example, any Christian or Muslim confession call others heretics or infidels. because they judge others. and no Buddhist confession called any others like this. because Buddhism is not about judgement but about acceptation. person who cant understand this - does not know anything about Buddhism

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Hang on a second - it sounds to me like you're judging these people.

 

no. I say that those with such a background cant judge others. I don't say that they are good or bad. or fake Catholics, or fake atheists or whatever. 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Also, what were you doing in a brothel watching grown men solicit prostitutes? 

I came to take some people out of trouble -because that was my job that time. if they would not pay me I would not give a shit about life of those miserable miscreants.

 

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

What they don't have the right to do is try and silence others when they call them out on their BS. 

 

I am not a moderator here to silence anybody. as a matter of fact, I was silenced many times here. I am just sharing my opinion when when somebody makes baseless assumptions about things he has no idea of.

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

The basics - don't harm others, don't steal, don't cheat.

 

and if you ae trying ti impose you values -does it harm others? if you need to steal something to by a medicine to cure a baby?

also, if a dying person would ask you- "will I live after death? please, tell me yes!"

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Good morals aren't something owned by religion. They're common sense. 

morals was invented by religions. because religion is the one and only institution which can give an answer to the question "why I must do no harm, if I will 100% not get punished?"

 

and your so called "atheist morals" was inherited from religion. and in any next generation  in the West morals is more and more corrupted. that's why there are so may sexual crimes, so many serial killers now so many drug users, so many people abusing power an exploit others.

 

because delusional atheists like you believe they can convince people to be good just because its good. same as communists believe they can convince people to work well without personal financial interest. even if christian religion is a total lie (which I think it is) - it's better to live in society with it then with no religion at all.

 

look at Russian society. this is  perfect example of the society which was forced to live without religion for 4 generations. and now Russian common man has only one complain to his corrupt government - that they are in a position which allows to take bribes, not him. this is what happens when you convince people that they can do whatever they want if they will not get caught.

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

I don't worry about what will happen to me after I die.

i dont worry, believe me. I just ask.

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Why? So my body can feed the worms and help give back to the earth. Help the natural cycle and help new life.  

but why do you worry about what will happen after you will die? especially regarding that any form of body recycling will lead to delivering elements back to nature. and bacteria in the ocean, for example, are not worth than worms.

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Opinions don't change facts. 

but opinions  change life. without Adolf Hitler's opinion that the biggest problem of Germany are Jews and lack of living space - WWII would not happen

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

The greatest thing about debating religious zealots is that they maintain no consistency in their argument.

so show me inconsistency of my arguments. try to refute at least one of them. instead of telling me that  you are happy without religion therefore the whole world will be.

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28 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

you view there actions through a prism of your cultural background. therefore you consider your cultural background superior.

Sorry, are we still talking about criminal monks here? You seem to have digressed into this huge tangent about having an inferiority complex. 

 

30 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

so you pretended to be a catholic in order to get social acceptation and benefits? how a person who spent his childhood in lie can think he knows more about Buddhism - religion of truth - than those who practiced it since they were born? ridiculous.

If you knew anything about Catholicism, you'd know that you get confirmed typically when you're a child. I actually stated that I was a child. I was 11 years old at the time. I pretended to believe because I was a child and I had no choice. This is why people should be free of religion when they're kids. When they're adults they can then choose to be whatever they want to be. 

 

36 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

and what does "good" mean for you? good for who?

Good, for example, could be not stealing from people. I've never stolen from someone. Ergo, that's good. 

 

36 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

did you see monks, who you judges, did this? or do you think that if some Thais do this - all Thais do? this is a collective responsibility - the first step to fascism

I never said 'all Thais'. I said I've seen Thais. Same as when you stated you've seen foreigners. I never assumed you meant all foreigners because I don't think like that. That's another example of something 'good'. And yes, I've seen monks behaving badly. It's usually on the news or in the papers. Much like the story on this thread. 

 

39 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

and if you ae trying ti impose you values -does it harm others? if you need to steal something to by a medicine to cure a baby?

also, if a dying person would ask you- "will I live after death? please, tell me yes!"

How is me not stealing imposing my values? By not stealing, I'm doing nothing. I'm not imposing anything. I don't have a baby, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to be stealing baby medicine. If I needed it, I'd go to a hospital.

 

As for someone dying asking me will they live after death, I'd reply with, "I don't know". That's because no one knows. We know what happens to our bodies, but people believe our souls detach and go somewhere else. I personally (remember we are all entitled to our opinions as you stated) believe it's lights out. Same as before we were born. If this dying person cornered me because they feared the unknown, and me saying yes would make them feel better - sure. I'd say 'yes'. It doesn't change anything. 

47 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

because delusional atheists like you believe they can convince people to be good just because its good

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I hope for is that people will think. I can't stand people who preach. I wanna hear the facts and the facts only. Religion preaches. Science saves lives. People are free to do what they want. My whole point has always been that if you go around pretending to be the good guy, you can't complain when people call you out for exploiting others for your own selfish gains. We don't need religion to keep people good. Most of us have law and punishment. 

 

51 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

but why do you worry about what will happen after you will die? especially regarding that any form of body recycling will lead to delivering elements back to nature. and bacteria in the ocean, for example, are not worth than worms

If you understood science, you would understand that we are all part of this earth. We all go back in and come back out in one way or another. From dung beetles to human beings. We (human beings) are not special. I worship and respect nature. To do otherwise is detrimental to my health.

 

54 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

but opinions  change life. without Adolf Hitler's opinion that the biggest problem of Germany are Jews and lack of living space - WWII would not happen

Yes, opinions can change lives. That's why we need to educate people and not brainwash them. We need to work with the facts. Praying to a god won't cure cancer. Science and medicine will. 

 

55 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

so show me inconsistency of my arguments. try to refute at least one of them. instead of telling me that  you are happy without religion therefore the whole world will be

 

56 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

I came to take some people out of trouble -because that was my job that time. if they would not pay me I would not give a shit about life of those miserable miscreants

There you have it. You said people have no right to judge others and there are you calling your fellow human beings 'miserable miscreants'. Who are you to call them miscreants? 

 

I admit that I could be wrong. There might be a god or an afterlife, or whatever it is that people believe that defies science. I 'could' be wrong. Will you admit that you could be wrong, too? 

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6 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Sorry, are we still talking about criminal monks here? You seem to have digressed into this huge tangent about having an inferiority complex. 

criminal? thy are accused monks until pledged guilty by court. did you hear anything about presumption of innocence at your catholic school?

 

7 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I pretended to believe because I was a child and I had no choice.

no choice? lol.  would you be killed if you would not do this?

inmates of Toul Sleng (during Khmer rouge regime) had no choice but to plead guilty because of torture and death threat (they was killed after anyway). and you had a choice. but you lied because it was more convenient.

11 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

This is why people should be free of religion when they're kids.

can you rove that God dont exist? no. so atheism is also a belief. so why kids should not be  free from this belief?

 

13 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Good, for example, could be not stealing from people. I've never stolen from someone. Ergo, that's good. 

and if stealing will save a human life? and of you still something which was stolen before?

 

14 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I never said 'all Thais'. I said I've seen Thais. Same as when you stated you've seen foreigners.

there are those who smoke or drink in any nation, even in Saudi Arabia. so your point does not mean anything.

 

15 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

And yes, I've seen monks behaving badly. It's usually on the news or in the papers. Much like the story on this thread. 

but it does not mean they are not Buddhist s. it means they are weak people.

 

16 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

How is me not stealing imposing my values?

you impose your views by judging others.

 

17 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I'm not imposing anything. I don't have a baby, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to be stealing baby medicine.

it does not necessary mean your own baby. other baby who you can help by stealing. its not so hard to imagine such a situation. you are just trying to wriggle out of

the question.

 

19 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

As for someone dying asking me will they live after death, I'd reply with, "I don't know". That's because no one knows.

1) first of all he does not need your truth, he needs a consolation. because he is scared to die. so to tell him "i dont know" means  making him suffer even more

2)so you dont know what will happen after death but know for sure that God does not exist?

 

lol lol lol

 

23 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I personally (remember we are all entitled to our opinions as you stated) believe it's lights out.

believe! same as others believe that God exists.  but they dont lie about their beliefs

 

24 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

If this dying person cornered me because they feared the unknown, and me saying yes would make them feel better - sure. I'd say 'yes'.

so it means that lying can be good. same can be shown for all your " doing good" points.  this is because without religion your moral is just a comforting illusion.

 

26 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I can't stand people who preach

so dont stand. and dont judge people and their connection with a religion which you dont accept.

 

27 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

People are free to do what they want.

no they are not. they can do whatever they want until they harm others. this is a way big difference.

 

28 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

My whole point has always been that if you go around pretending to be the good guy, you can't complain when people call you out for exploiting others for your own selfish gains.

 

the problem is

1)you have your own persona;l and quite inconsistent  ideas about how to be a good guy

2) exploiting means they take more then they give. and you may have now idea how much laymen get from monks. may be its much more than what laymen pay.

 

you try to judge people of Buddhist background through a prism of your fake catholic background. which is ridiculous an disgusting

33 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

We don't need religion to keep people good. Most of us have law and punishment. 

not everything can be put in  law. you cant put a policeman behind any person to control him and her. Russia, for example now have more policemen per capita then any other country in the world. but it does not help. the reality is that even in a totalitarian state there are many situations in life when a person can harm others in his benefit with total impunity. and you cant change it.

 

35 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

If you understood science, you would understand that we are all part of this earth. We all go back in and come back out in one way or another. From dung beetles to human beings. We (human beings) are not special.

 

so what? all earth substances sooner or later will go back to cycle (exept those send to outer space). and it will happen when you, as a person, will no longer exist. why do you bother?

 

37 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I worship and respect nature. To do otherwise is detrimental to my health.

your have certain taboos and moral beliefs because you were raised catholic. practice says that people raised as complete atheists, in an atheist school dont care of what will happen after their death. which is totally understandable. go to Russia and look how do they care of Mother Nature.

 

according to your science nature has no soul. its a result of an accidental combination of organic substances which exists without reason and will disappear without a reason.  you worship nature because of your subconscious urge to worship something which you got in your catholic childhood.

 

41 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

We don't need religion to keep people good.

and? by the way, who you think you are to decide what do WE need? lol

 

42 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

That's why we need to educate people and not brainwash them.

educate to make them believe that God does not exist instead of making them believe that god exists? lol

 

43 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Praying to a god won't cure cancer. Science and medicine will. 

1) but religion can cure souls and minds. and there are so many diseases  (even those not directly connected with the brain) which  are caused by mind, brain.

2) there is no modern religion which makes it's adepts to avoid doctors. (I dont speak about some American pyramid sects)

 

47 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

ou said people have no right to judge others and there are you calling your fellow human beings 'miserable miscreants'. Who are you to call them miscreants? 

i am the one who know the truth. if a person is miserable by his own choice and harm lifes of others - he is a miscreant. it's not judging but statement of fact. if you would have facts and say that some monks damaged other people lifes - I would not say a word.

 

50 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I 'could' be wrong. Will you admit that you could be wrong, too? 

yes of course! do you really think that i believe that I am always 100% right and correct? lol

i make assumptions based on my life experience. I try to find truth. and to do so I must always remember that I can be wrong. that's why I don't judge people. I dont call some Catholics bad people or fake Catholics, unless they admit they dont believe in God.

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6 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

yes of course! do you really think that i believe that I am always 100% right and correct? lol

i make assumptions based on my life experience. I try to find truth. and to do so I must always remember that I can be wrong. that's why I don't judge people. I dont call some Catholics bad people or fake Catholics, unless they admit they dont believe in God

Yea, the question isn't "are you ever wrong in general". The question is "could you be wrong about your religion?". Meaning that will you admit that everything you 'believe in' could be wrong. Will you admit that it 'could' all be made up and it's all meaningless?

 

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15 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Yea, the question isn't "are you ever wrong in general". The question is "could you be wrong about your religion?"

1) who said I belong to any religion? who said I believe in anything?

2) yes I can be wrong about anything. i am just a human, not a divine creature. but its not an argument in favor of your position ?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

1) who said I belong to any religion? who said I believe in anything?

2) yes I can be wrong about anything. i am just a human, not a divine creature. but its not an argument in favor of your position ?

 

 

Yes or no. Could you be wrong?

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3 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

I answered you already. twice. yes, it's possible

 

why dont you answer my questions now?

You haven't answered me. 

 

Again, could you be wrong about your religion? Could it all be made up and meaningless? 

 

Yes or no?

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