Yingluck granted 10-year UK visa, says BBC Thai website

[metisdead]

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[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, sjaak327 said:

And all of those MP's were actually voted in by the electorate. And yes, many were voted in because people wanted Thaksin, as was witnessed in four consequitive general elections...

 

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Yes they were. In the various Thaksin political parties, and red shirt / UDD organizations kept a tight grip on their areas of influence.

 

Thaksin openly paid each MP a salary which was more than their official MP wage, decided who was promoted to ministries, and who was demoted and replaced in the many reshuffles. Now you can choose to believe Yingluck was selected because of her outstanding charm, political understanding and supreme leadership skills if you wish. Or because she was Thaksin's younger sister, pretty and photogenic, and easily controlled by her brother. 

 

Your choice.

[Baerboxer]

28 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Yingluck stays in Stepney not in Knightsbridge.

 

Yes must be hard making ends meet now there's no flow from the trough on tap!

[Baerboxer]

17 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

An earlier report said that the UK immigration had heard nothing from the Thai authorities concerning Yingluk Shinawatra.  Who knows?

 

She obviously has obtained other passport(s) and citizenship and applied on them. There are no outstanding Interpol notices or arrest requests on her.

 

She can easily afford the visa criteria and has an army of lawyers to run around and process for her.

 

I suggest Boris would have mentioned it during his talks with the Junta. And formed the conclusion they don't really want her back. 

 

 

[Artisi]

8 hours ago, colinneil said:

INTERESTING POST, now here is a scenario for folks to think about.

After the election when Prayut is given his marching orders, he goes to the UK meets up with Yingluk, hello love you fancy going for a drink, and a chat about old times.

so long as it's only - Hello love ?

[sjaak327]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

There is something very unfair about any system that allows privilege based on wealth.

 

But yes, most governments are only interested about the money and couldn't give two fcks were it comes from.

 

Yes but from the country concerned it IS understandeable. One of the biggest worries in awarding someone a visa is the worry that such a person might become a burden to society. When you give them a big bag of money, that fear is apparently alleviated. 

[theoldgit]

3 hours ago, ginjag said:

Why for heavens sake can't we get a 10 year visa here   ???  spend all our money here  and have to report every 90 days. Looks like we have done wrong.    Yingluck  is allowed after doing wrong.   After living here 5 years min, having no convictions, why not.    We have proven our loyalty  but penalised  for it.

Not really the topic that's being discussed here, but didn't the Thai Government announce a year or so ago that they were introducing such a visa here, of course at a price, and the UK ten year visa doesn't come cheap for the average person, and with numerous conditions, I'm not sure what became of it.

[Artisi]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Yes but from the country concerned it IS understandeable. One of the biggest worries in awarding someone a visa is the worry that such a person might become a burden to society. When you give them a big bag of money, that fear is apparently alleviated. 

You mean that YL wasn't  granted a visa on her likely contribution to the welfare of the UK -  no never - couldn't be.

[Artisi]

1 minute ago, theoldgit said:

Not really the topic that's being discussed here, but didn't the Thai Government announce a year or so ago that they were introducing such a visa here, of course at a price, and the UK ten year visa doesn't come cheap for the average person, and with numerous conditions, I'm not sure what became of it.

well they have to keep track of all us nasty farangs - we might just start influencing Thai thinking if they start giving us too much. 

[ginjag]

3 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

Not really the topic that's being discussed here, but didn't the Thai Government announce a year or so ago that they were introducing such a visa here, of course at a price, and the UK ten year visa doesn't come cheap for the average person, and with numerous conditions, I'm not sure what became of it.

The Thai elite visa is there -non returnable 500,000 baht---90 day reporting--and yearly renew--I believe a ten year elite was mentioned but 99% of ex pats rejected it as a mega money making scam--but a luxury car at an airport now and again.  ??

[sjaak327]

1 minute ago, ginjag said:

A lie, about me claiming visa's are harder over here in general---my compare was only mine and Yinglucks--again distorting my post--baiting.

So you are comparing apples and oranges. Get the Thai elite card, after all you talk about your great contribution to this society so 2 million for a 20 year membership shouldn't be a problem, and it will effectively get you  4x five year multiple entry visa, with each entry stamped in for a full year. And other than Yingluck, you do not have to leave the country if you don't want to. 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Yes but from the country concerned it IS understandeable. One of the biggest worries in awarding someone a visa is the worry that such a person might become a burden to society. When you give them a big bag of money, that fear is apparently alleviated. 

 

That worry about 'being a burden" grew because of mass immigration coming into the country, exploiting the loopholes, milking the benefits system and being aided by the politically friendly who saw longer term political benefits.

 

The change in UK voter sentiments and election promises on reduced immigration mean that 'soft" targets are hit. 

Currently EU citizens can't be targets, the very very wealthy, and the Shin family are fabulously wealthy, are always welcome, and many who people regard as "immigrants' are in fact first, second, third generations and British citizens.

 

So they go after stopping spouses from non EU countries, regardless of the effects on the people affected, or people like the Windrush immigrants that blows up in their faces.

 

It's all about the KPI the government of the time wish to achieve. I will continue lobbying Corbyn, who as a socialist claiming a social conscience government should he be elected, should put citizens well being before cash.

[a10ams]

Good effort, a ten year UK visa for an unemployed single Thai lady. Wish my fiancee had been treated so well at her attempt. Any idea which 'agency' she used?

 

[sjaak327]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

That worry about 'being a burden" grew because of mass immigration coming into the country, exploiting the loopholes, milking the benefits system and being aided by the politically friendly who saw longer term political benefits.

 

The change in UK voter sentiments and election promises on reduced immigration mean that 'soft" targets are hit. 

Currently EU citizens can't be targets, the very very wealthy, and the Shin family are fabulously wealthy, are always welcome, and many who people regard as "immigrants' are in fact first, second, third generations and British citizens.

 

So they go after stopping spouses from non EU countries, regardless of the effects on the people affected, or people like the Windrush immigrants that blows up in their faces.

 

It's all about the KPI the government of the time wish to achieve. I will continue lobbying Corbyn, who as a socialist claiming a social conscience government should he be elected, should put citizens well being before cash.

Oh I fully agree with your sentiments, and the growing restricveness of the visa system in various Western European countries. However linking this to Yingluck, who just received a 10 year visa with limited 6 months entries for which is probably paid a nicely sum, is not the sort of visa most of those people we are talking about would go for, for Obvious reasons. Of course if you meet the requirements, bringing a spouse into say the UK or the Netherlands is certaily without the realm of possiblities for most people. In fact back in the Netherlands, the income requirements have significantly been lowered, so have the actual visa fees, all due to court cases. 

[sjaak327]

1 minute ago, ginjag said:

I never mentioned Thai citizens over here---What is wrong with you  ??

Oh my god, if it wasn't clear already, I AM NOT IN THAILAND, over here most obviously refers to Europe..

 

Thai citizens do not need a visa to enter Thailand...

Edited May 29, 2018 by sjaak327

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Not really Bearboxer, you cannot defy facts, claiming that the Thai visa regulations are so much harder than the same regulations for Thai citzens over here is exactly what I claimed, stupid and untrue. 

 

But of course lies cannot be called stupid, next time I will simply call  him a liar !

 

Lies are intentional. Insults are intentional. 

 

Discussing and debating shouldn't contain either. 

 

All countries have complex visa regulations, and requirements. Suggesting some are fairer or easier than others is difficult to compare and contextual.

 

What is a valid comparison is the process the average Thai, spouse, gf/bf. student, visitor, must go through here in order to obtain a UK visa compared to the process the mega wealthy can use to get one.

 

I find it offensive that the British government allows wealth to trump everything whilst often discriminating against the poor.

 

Racial, sexual, religious discrimination isn't permitted and is punishable under law. But apparently it's fine to discriminate on the basis of wealth and assume that wealthy people are good and poor people bad.

 

 

[darren1971]

7 hours ago, theoldgit said:

I'd be interested to know which European country has issued Yingluck with a passport, holders of passports from most countries in Europe don't need a visa to enter the UK. 

Let's be honest, visa rules don't really apply to people who are mega-rich, the whole system is a scam.

[sjaak327]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Lies are intentional. Insults are intentional. 

 

Discussing and debating shouldn't contain either. 

 

All countries have complex visa regulations, and requirements. Suggesting some are fairer or easier than others is difficult to compare and contextual.

 

What is a valid comparison is the process the average Thai, spouse, gf/bf. student, visitor, must go through here in order to obtain a UK visa compared to the process the mega wealthy can use to get one.

 

I find it offensive that the British government allows wealth to trump everything whilst often discriminating against the poor.

 

Racial, sexual, religious discrimination isn't permitted and is punishable under law. But apparently it's fine to discriminate on the basis of wealth and assume that wealthy people are good and poor people bad.

 

 

Yes but again, and I tried to make that point earlier, the visa she now obtained does not give her the right to stay in the UK year round. The average Thai spouse would probably not apply for this visa because it probably is not the way forward to citizenship. And again, it remains fairly easy to do, providing it can be proven the relationship/marriage is genuine. And no need to invest a large sum of money just for the privelige. You get what you pay for is what I said earlier. 

[hotchilli]

A 10 year visa in one country... hope she'e seeking others so she has a choice of shopping venues...

good news is it means sh'e not coming back any time soon !!

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Yes but again, and I tried to make that point earlier, the visa she now obtained does not give her the right to stay in the UK year round. The average Thai spouse would probably not apply for this visa because it probably is not the way forward to citizenship. And again, it remains fairly easy to do, providing it can be proven the relationship/marriage is genuine. And no need to invest a large sum of money just for the privelige. You get what you pay for is what I said earlier. 

 

The investor type class of visas does have a simplified route to citizenship and the current, shall we say everyday, spousal type visas.

 

The biggest issue is the minimum earnings requirement, the issues on this for the self employed and low earners, and the now quite expensive costs associated with each stage. 

Yes, if you thoroughly check, understand and follow the rules, then it isn't the hardest thing in the world. But it is full of complexity and some quirks. Whereas plonking down a large sum of money - hey presto! Especially if you can afford top class immigration lawyers to do the necessary.

 

You do indeed get what you pay for in many things. But there is something disgusting about societies with tiers of privilege based on wealth. Something Britain suffered from for generations and seems to be creeping back.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

does that also apply to the rice scam

 

No. She appointed herself to Chair that. And specifically said on many occasions that she, and only she, was in total charge of it.

 

Ironic that they tried to keep her away from it, all that travelling and avoiding parliament attendances.

 

Classic case of foot, gun and shooting yourself!

[theoldgit]

17 minutes ago, ginjag said:

The Thai elite visa is there -non returnable 500,000 baht---90 day reporting--and yearly renew--I believe a ten year elite was mentioned but 99% of ex pats rejected it as a mega money making scam--but a luxury car at an airport now and again.  ??

No, not the Thai Elite Visa, that's been arounf for donky's years, they proposed a new visa aimed at long term retirees called the O-X Long Stay Visa, not that appealing but it does seem to be on offer.

This is from the Embassy in Stockholm, it may well be on others http://thaiembassy.se/en/non-immigrant-visa-o-x-long-stay/

[mike324]

8 hours ago, theoldgit said:

I'd be interested to know which European country has issued Yingluck with a passport, holders of passports from most countries in Europe don't need a visa to enter the UK. 

Off the top of my head, it would be Montenegro passport that Thaksin also holds.

[darren1971]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

The investor type class of visas does have a simplified route to citizenship and the current, shall we say everyday, spousal type visas.

 

The biggest issue is the minimum earnings requirement, the issues on this for the self employed and low earners, and the now quite expensive costs associated with each stage. 

Yes, if you thoroughly check, understand and follow the rules, then it isn't the hardest thing in the world. But it is full of complexity and some quirks. Whereas plonking down a large sum of money - hey presto! Especially if you can afford top class immigration lawyers to do the necessary.

 

You do indeed get what you pay for in many things. But there is something disgusting about societies with tiers of privilege based on wealth. Something Britain suffered from for generations and seems to be creeping back.

 

 

Wealth is more important than family and community in the UK. If you work full time on minimum wage you should be able to bring your spouse or children here to live with you but you would find yourself more than £6000 short, more if you have children. 

[sjaak327]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The investor type class of visas does have a simplified route to citizenship and the current, shall we say everyday, spousal type visas.

 

The biggest issue is the minimum earnings requirement, the issues on this for the self employed and low earners, and the now quite expensive costs associated with each stage. 

Yes, if you thoroughly check, understand and follow the rules, then it isn't the hardest thing in the world. But it is full of complexity and some quirks. Whereas plonking down a large sum of money - hey presto! Especially if you can afford top class immigration lawyers to do the necessary.

 

You do indeed get what you pay for in many things. But there is something disgusting about societies with tiers of privilege based on wealth. Something Britain suffered from for generations and seems to be creeping back.

 

 

Well, all I can say is that at least in the Netherlands the various governements have been forced to adjust income requirements and visa fees to become lower due to various court cases in the last few years. As a matter of fact, a good friend of mine is now not forced to pay norht of 1500 euro to pay for the visa, but just a few hundred euros, and as the income requirements have also been lowered, he is now indeed able to let his Thai boyfriend come to the Netherlands on a visa that has a direct path to citizenship. A good development, courtesy of a working justice system. 

[Happyman58]

11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

A 10 year visa in one country... hope she'e seeking others so she has a choice of shopping venues...

good news is it means sh'e not coming back any time soon !!

Yep she will be spending all the money she stole from the Thai people

[ginjag]

4 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

No, not the Thai Elite Visa, that's been arounf for donky's years, they proposed a new visa aimed at long term retirees called the O-X Long Stay Visa, not that appealing but it does seem to be on offer.

This is from the Embassy in Stockholm, it may well be on others http://thaiembassy.se/en/non-immigrant-visa-o-x-long-stay/

Thought this was a longer version than  the 5 year elite.  but we have to look at the response of ex pats to this offer  1%   ???  or both offers.      if they were so good why us long term stayers do not take up this offer  ??     If a fair offer for both,  would be worth considering.   maybe because they are not classed as reasonable to go for.  just saying.

Edited May 29, 2018 by ginjag

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[AGareth2]

36 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

No. She appointed herself to Chair that. And specifically said on many occasions that she, and only she, was in total charge of it.

just like she was in charge of the country then

[jgarbo]

11 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

The implication of this is that the UK specifically and several other countries in general do not recognize the legitimacy of the court case against her.

 

I bet Prayut nearly choked when he heard it!

 

Thailand- if you want to have international respect for your country and system of justice, you need to have a respectable system of justice and put an end to these 'show trials' where political opponents are brought down. The proper way to hand over power from one government to the next is through an election.

 

You will be a laughing stock until you manage this....

 

So, convicted criminals get 10 yr visas, while some people born in UK are deported. An insane corrupt govt. Money bought Yingluck's visa to the one of the biggest money laundries in the world, Merry Ole England. 

And you bozos are laughing about it. Be thankful, these two criminals, who cheated thousands and murdered thousands cannot return.

Considering the pressure on Prayut from the US, UK and EU to ruin Thailand, the man is doing a good job.