Israeli army kills Palestinian nurse in Gaza border protest - medics

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, dexterm said:

So you have been caught out in a falsehood again. It turns out I did express sympathy for the young American and two elderly Jews killed, but you are able to read my mind and say it was fake sympathy. What can I do? Up2u.

 

 

 

No, there is no "falsehood", other if one accepts your spin.

 

You may wish to make this about the expression of faux emotions. Or to disregard other words and views you expressed. Doesn't change facts. The point made, though, was that you are perfectly willing to "dehumanize" victims, blame them, hold them responsible and whatnot - so long as they belong to the other side. Apparently, coming up with justifications and excuses for such is not apologetic, when perpetrators are Palestinians.

[dexterm]

I read an interesting article in an Israeli magazine commentary about the young female medic Razan al-Najjar's killing . It struck me how similar was the experience of posting on TVF.

 

In memory of Razan al-Najjar
"The 21-year-old paramedic was shot and killed by Israeli soldiers while trying to aid wounded protesters near the Gaza-Israel separation fence. Many Israelis either refuse to believe she was actually killed or claim that her killing was somehow justified.

Taken together, the responses reflected the depressing fact that for most of the Israeli public, Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers are guilty by default."

https://972mag.com/in-memory-of-razan-al-najjar/135910/

 

Well worth a read.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Guess you'll just keep denying that you exhibit the same behavior, and ignore the fact that an example was linked above.

 

Given that your declared position is to disregard anything reflecting negatively on the Palestinian side, it's pathetically disingenuous to link a dubious opinion column, which relates a failure to meaningfully discuss things between people holding different points of view. About as hypocritical as it gets.

 

And its a nonsense piece anyway. No particular reason to accept this self-serving column at face value or as being an accurate representation. Making generalized assertions on the force of a some online interactions (whether real or not), is not particularly convincing. Right up your alley, of course, as it doesn't deal with facts, but makes a bogus emotional plea based on nothing much. Wonder if one of them "besmirch" variety replies will materialize. 

 

People like you, holding one-sided extreme views, aren't bothered by such petty things as facts. Not when these come in the way of a good bash or scoring some imaginary points in the name of supposed justice:

 

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A demonstrably false claim started spreading on social media sites around the world on Friday night, accusing a long-since-released IDF soldier, Rebecca, of being the sniper who shot dead a Palestinian medic during violent clashes along the Gaza border earlier that day.

 

Amid widespread Palestinian and international anger over the killing of Razan Najjar, a 21-year-old volunteer paramedic, during a riot along the security fence, the baseless accusation about Rebecca spread rapidly on social media, prompting threats against the former servicewoman, her friends, and family members.

http://IDF vet gets death threats after she’s falsely accused of killing Gaza medic

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-vet-receives-death-threats-after-shes-falsely-accused-of-killing-gaza-medic/

 

 

[bristolboy]

Once again, the same raging contention. It is true that the Palestinians have terrible leadership. And there are those who seem so fair-minded by conceding that both sides are at fault in this or that dispute. The fact is that Israel has imposed an economic straitjacket on the Palestinians that alone would make a violent resistance a near certainty. Coupled with all the other actions taken by the Israeli government it becomes inevitable.

Here are a few choice words from some other parties who found a much milder form of economic imposition to be unsupportable and worthy of being met with violence:

"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Edited June 4, 2018 by bristolboy

[Morch]

 

@bristolboy

 

The Deceleration of Independence quote would indeed apply for the Gazans and the Hamas rule. Or, for that matter, the Palestinians and the PA. Not much signs either is about to happen. And doesn't seem like the two Palestinian leaderships' way of doing things goes anywhere or that it benefits their people. While it's all very well spinning things as Israel being solely responsible, the Palestinians can certainly be held accountable as well, for choices made - either by their leaderships, or their own - by accepting such failed leaderships.

[bristolboy]

40 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@bristolboy

 

The Deceleration of Independence quote would indeed apply for the Gazans and the Hamas rule. Or, for that matter, the Palestinians and the PA. Not much signs either is about to happen. And doesn't seem like the two Palestinian leaderships' way of doing things goes anywhere or that it benefits their people. While it's all very well spinning things as Israel being solely responsible, the Palestinians can certainly be held accountable as well, for choices made - either by their leaderships, or their own - by accepting such failed leaderships.

Seems to me the main criticism of the Palestinian leadership is that when they had the chance, they wouldn't settle for half a loaf. Who knows, maybe if King George had offered to cut taxes by 50%, the colonists would have settled for it. Doesn't seem quite consonant, though, with the principles laid down in the document.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Seems to me the main criticism of the Palestinian leadership is that when they had the chance, they wouldn't settle for half a loaf. Who knows, maybe if King George had offered to cut taxes by 50%, the colonists would have settled for it. Doesn't seem quite consonant, though, with the principles laid down in the document.

 

Seems to me that you try to spin things this way. Doesn't make it stick, though. In the context of this topic, for example, the criticism isn't less to do with accepting a compromise - but more strongly relates to their responsibility regarding their people's safety and best interests.

[mungostjohn]

My God!  What kind of people are these?