G7 allies confront Trump with trade numbers in tense G7 summit

[rooster59]

G7 allies confront Trump with trade numbers in tense G7 summit

By Jan Strupczewski and Andreas Rinke

 

L-R: European Council President Donald Tusk, British Prime Minister Theresa May, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, U.S. President Donald Trump, Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, French President Emmanuel Macron, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker pose for a family photo at the G7 Summit in the Charlevoix city of La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, June 8, 2018. REUTERS/Yves Herman

 

LA MALBAIE, Quebec (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump countered a slew of trade numbers from U.S. allies with his own, different data, holding firm to his position that the United States was at a disadvantage, an official at a G7 summit said on Friday as consensus eluded the group's leaders.

 

Friday's trade session, where G7 allies planned to confront the U.S. president over trade tariffs, had "some emotions" but was civilized and diplomatic, said the official who followed the talks.

 

"The other leaders presented their numbers and Trump presented his. As expected he did not budge. This is probably not because he does not understand, but because of domestic reasons," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

 

U.S. trading partners are furious over Trump's decision last week to impose tariffs on steel and aluminium imports from Canada, the European Union and Mexico as part of his "America First" agenda. Some have retaliated.

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday floated an idea to set up a way to resolve trade disputes between the United States and its allies, a French official said.

 

The official described Merkel's suggestion as a "shared assessment and dialogue" mechanism, but gave no further details.

 

The proposal, made during the two-day Group of Seven nations summit in La Malbaie, Quebec, was strongly supported by other leaders present, the official said, adding that European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said he was ready to invest personally in it. Juncker has also offered to visit Washington for a common assessment of EU-US trade to help resolve the dispute, an official said.

 

Expectations for a breakthrough at the summit, however, are low, with U.S. allies focussed on avoiding rupturing the G7, which in its 42-year history has tended to seek consensus on major issues.

 

"It's highly unlikely there will be a final communique," a G7 official said on condition of anonymity.

 

Merkel said it was not clear whether the group would issue a final directive, adding that failure to do so would be an honest reflection of the lack of agreement among Canada, the United States, Japan, Britain, Italy, France and Germany. The EU is also attending the summit.

 

British Prime Minister Theresa May on Friday warned both Trump and the EU of the dangers of entering a tit-for-tat trade war over tariffs, urging both sides to instead focus on China's excess steel production.

 

Trump set the tone before leaving Washington on Friday.

 

"We're going to deal with the unfair trade practices. If you look at what Canada, and Mexico, the European Union - all of them - have been doing to us for many, many decades. We have to change it. And they understand it's going to happen," Trump said.

 

Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron had what was described by a French official as a "very cordial" discussion about trade and North Korea. The leaders had exchanged terse messages on Twitter ahead of the summit.

 

Merkel and Trump also had a brief conversation at the summit. Asked by reporters whether he would relent on tariffs, Trump looked at Merkel and said: "I don't know. Ask this great lady."

 

Trump’s "America First" message to allies has hardened since he brought hardline national security adviser John Bolton on to his team.

 

He plans to leave the summit four hours earlier than originally planned to fly to Singapore to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the White House said.

 

G7 chiefs have largely praised Trump for his efforts to stabilise the Korean peninsula, but they are unhappy he pulled out of an international agreement to limit Iran's nuclear ambitions.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-09

[TheFishman1]

What do the Russians have on him he is always defending them

[Estrada]

FACT: There is NO Trade Deficit against the United States, the US does not take into account all those huge US companies who manufacture overseas and only send their profits back to the the US, if forced to do so. For instance, if US companies manufactured all their products such as Apple, Nike etc, in the US, then perhaps a Trillions more Dollars would be added to the US Export figures. However, companies manufacturing overseas only return profits but add to the US Import bill 100% of the wholesale or intercompany price.

In the United States, the Bureau of Economic Analysis measures and defines the trade deficit. It defines U.S. imports as goods and services produced in a foreign country and bought by U.S. residents. It includes all goods shipped to the United States, even if produced by an American-owned company. If a product crosses U.S. Customs and is intended to be sold in America, it is an import. This is unfair as illustrated by the Trump's manufacturing Trump products in China using low cost labour and materials and then shipping them back to the US. for Instance Trump's "Make America Great Again" red caps and ties, Ivanka's products. Apple were able to takeover the world mobile phone market from Nokia by Manufacturing in China. This is what Trump calls "Fair Trade"

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by Estrada

[goldenbrwn1]

Why is the EU there? ....Fair enough being there but the G7 photo shoot aswell?   And two representatives.

Edited June 9, 2018 by goldenbrwn1

[simple1]

Brief assessment of Trump's messaging for Canada at the G7 summit.

 

"Fake history, fake economics, real irrational fury"

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-canada-trump-20180608-story.html

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, Estrada said:

FACT: There is NO Trade Deficit against the United States, the US does not take into account all those huge US companies who manufacture overseas and only send their profits back to the the US, if forced to do so. For instance, if US companies manufactured all their products such as Apple, Nike etc, in the US, then perhaps a Trillions more Dollars would be added to the US Export figures. However, companies manufacturing overseas only return profits but add to the US Import bill 100% of the wholesale or intercompany price.

In the United States, the Bureau of Economic Analysis measures and defines the trade deficit. It defines U.S. imports as goods and services produced in a foreign country and bought by U.S. residents. It includes all goods shipped to the United States, even if produced by an American-owned company. If a product crosses U.S. Customs and is intended to be sold in America, it is an import. This is unfair as illustrated by the Trump's manufacturing Trump products in China using low cost labour and materials and then shipping them back to the US. for Instance Trump's "Make America Great Again" red caps and ties, Ivanka's products. Apple were able to takeover the world mobile phone market from Nokia by Manufacturing in China. This is what Trump calls "Fair Trade"

 

Thanks. Well put.
The problem is that Trump does not understand multi-dimensional, interdependent, interlinked processes and can not handle them cognitively.
That there are simple answers to complex issues, such as world trade, is unlikely.
If the various situations of the various trading partners can not even be understood cognitively, a joint search for a solution is almost impossible.
The US has so many great economists, but unfortunately Trump is also surrounded by incompetent advisors.

[sandrabbit]

If you see the video of Trump talking to Macron he looks really stressed, he keeps touching his face as if to reassure himself. 

Edited June 9, 2018 by sandrabbit

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

What do the Russians have on him he is always defending them

More than likely sex tapes, of orgies in Moscow hotel suites, with underage girls. Think about it. What did Putin do before he became a dictator? What was his training? His first instinct would be to get some dirt on Trump, in the event he ever engaged in negotiations with him, or in case he ever became president. It makes sense. And it also makes sense that Tiny D. would NOT be able to resist this. He is a sex freak. He loves to grab the pussies, and stick his tongue in the mouth of any beautiful woman he sees, remember? He said this himself. So, how would he be able to resist? It was probably the easiest sting King Vlad ever conducted. And he may even have tapes of Trumps participation in the Orgy Island escapades. Also many underage women. He is documented to have gone on 22 of these trips with Jeffrey Epstein. 

 

And the summit in North Korea will probably be the easiest meeting of Kim's career. He is getting exactly what he wants, without giving anything in return. Denuclearization? In your dreams. America first please. That will be exactly what Kim will request! If the US, the UK, China, Japan, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, India, and any other power denuclearize, we will too. They did not spend tens of billions, just to give it all away.

[Sakeopete]

9 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Thanks. Well put.
The problem is that Trump does not understand multi-dimensional, interdependent, interlinked processes and can not handle them cognitively.
That there are simple answers to complex issues, such as world trade, is unlikely.
If the various situations of the various trading partners can not even be understood cognitively, a joint search for a solution is almost impossible.
The US has so many great economists, but unfortunately Trump is also surrounded by incompetent advisors.

You are making an assumption that he doesn't understand. He is very intelligent don't be fooled by liberal media. America makes up 25% of the world's trade Trump knows he is in a position of power in the negotiations. He can publicly say anything he wants as long as it supports his voters view. Many politicians do that look at all the stupid things Thai politicians say that we laugh at. They don't say those things for international consumption they are meant for a domestic audience.

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, Sakeopete said:

You are making an assumption that he doesn't understand. He is very intelligent don't be fooled by liberal media. America makes up 25% of the world's trade Trump knows he is in a position of power in the negotiations. He can publicly say anything he wants as long as it supports his voters view. Many politicians do that look at all the stupid things Thai politicians say that we laugh at. They don't say those things for international consumption they are meant for a domestic audience.

He is very intelligent.
Could you give an example for this assumption?

[Spike1938]

2 hours ago, Estrada said:

FACT: There is NO Trade Deficit against the United States, the US does not take into account all those huge US companies who manufacture overseas and only send their profits back to the the US, if forced to do so. For instance, if US companies manufactured all their products such as Apple, Nike etc, in the US, then perhaps a Trillions more Dollars would be added to the US Export figures. However, companies manufacturing overseas only return profits but add to the US Import bill 100% of the wholesale or intercompany price.

In the United States, the Bureau of Economic Analysis measures and defines the trade deficit. It defines U.S. imports as goods and services produced in a foreign country and bought by U.S. residents. It includes all goods shipped to the United States, even if produced by an American-owned company. If a product crosses U.S. Customs and is intended to be sold in America, it is an import. This is unfair as illustrated by the Trump's manufacturing Trump products in China using low cost labour and materials and then shipping them back to the US. for Instance Trump's "Make America Great Again" red caps and ties, Ivanka's products. Apple were able to takeover the world mobile phone market from Nokia by Manufacturing in China. This is what Trump calls "Fair Trade"

 

Brilliant!! Thanks for explaining those details to me and anyone who will listen. However, try and explain it to a Trump supporter and all you get is an uneducated blank stare and a wave of the hand. Please don't confuse them with facts.

Edited June 9, 2018 by Spike1938
to add a line

[mikebike]

58 minutes ago, Sakeopete said:

You are making an assumption that he doesn't understand. He is very intelligent don't be fooled by liberal media. America makes up 25% of the world's trade Trump knows he is in a position of power in the negotiations. He can publicly say anything he wants as long as it supports his voters view. Many politicians do that look at all the stupid things Thai politicians say that we laugh at. They don't say those things for international consumption they are meant for a domestic audience.

By forming the paragraph above you have proven you are orders of magnitude smarter than 45.

 

No based on any media. Just listening to him and reading his twits.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It's strange that the OP article here makes no mention of Trump, Putin's b- boy, publicly suggesting on his way to the summit that Russia ought to be allowed to rejoin the G7.  So while Trump is going after Canada, France and the U.S.'s other closest allies, he's cozying up again to one of the world's worst dictators.

 

I don't think anyone could have responded better than Sen. John McCain did:

 

Quote

 

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., soon issued a scathing statement against the president's Russia comments, saying Vladimir Putin has only continued "assaulting democratic institutions all over the world" since the invasion of Crimea.
 

"The President has inexplicably shown our adversaries the deference and esteem that should be reserved for our closest allies," McCain said in a written statement. "Those nations that share our values and have sacrificed alongside us for decades are being treated with contempt. This is the antithesis of so-called ‘principled realism’ and a sure path to diminishing America’s leadership in the world.”

 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-call-russia-join-g7-faces-swift-backlash/story?id=55750098

 

Trump is truly a traitor to the U.S. and everything the country is supposed to stand for.

 

But to echo McCain's words, Trump is surely succeeding at diminishing America's leadership in the world -- which is exactly what Putin and others want.

 

This isn't just about trade policy debates. This is about Trump's continuing efforts to fracture and diminish the historic alliance of western democracies and the alliance between the U.S. and Europe.  Which again, is exactly what Putin wants.  B- boy to be sure.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

He is very intelligent.
Could you give an example for this assumption?

 

He managed to get himself elected POTUS, lives the life of the wealthy VIP elite, and has done so for many years.

 

He's no fool, although he plays it when it suits him. 

 

Not everyone's cup of tea by a long long stretch, with his own way of doing things, but hardly lacking in intelligent.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Estrada said:

FACT: There is NO Trade Deficit against the United States, the US does not take into account all those huge US companies who manufacture overseas and only send their profits back to the the US, if forced to do so. For instance, if US companies manufactured all their products such as Apple, Nike etc, in the US, then perhaps a Trillions more Dollars would be added to the US Export figures. However, companies manufacturing overseas only return profits but add to the US Import bill 100% of the wholesale or intercompany price.

In the United States, the Bureau of Economic Analysis measures and defines the trade deficit. It defines U.S. imports as goods and services produced in a foreign country and bought by U.S. residents. It includes all goods shipped to the United States, even if produced by an American-owned company. If a product crosses U.S. Customs and is intended to be sold in America, it is an import. This is unfair as illustrated by the Trump's manufacturing Trump products in China using low cost labour and materials and then shipping them back to the US. for Instance Trump's "Make America Great Again" red caps and ties, Ivanka's products. Apple were able to takeover the world mobile phone market from Nokia by Manufacturing in China. This is what Trump calls "Fair Trade"

 

 

Good points, well made! The world is indeed much more complex now and statistics can be provided to support any argument by the way they are constructed and measured.

 

The "skill" if you can call it that, of modern politicians lies in exploiting that complexity and persuading the electorates of their own agendas. 

 

To that end, Trump continues to persuade his supporters. The exceptions to this are the dictators who create their own view of reality and then try to impose it on their "electorate' to rubber stamp. 

[Psimbo]

Wort the Fek are Tusk and Junkers doing there the tosspots? Just another junket?

Edited June 9, 2018 by Psimbo

[JulesMad]

If trumpy is intelligent, the rest of the world must be f****ing geniuses

 

 

[selftaopath]

4 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

What do the Russians have on him he is always defending them

Probably a lot. However swamp king is vindictive along with many other broken parts. American banks would not give him loans b/c he is a "dead beat." He got loans - and probably a lot more - from Russia. This might make American banks and America generally an enemy. In degenerate's mind either you are partial to him or he is AGAINST you. Therefore it follows that he will want to inflict anything he can on US banks/economy/ Americans etc. 

 

He is a very very very sick man. He has so many mental disorders it's no wonder we are seeing such bizarre antics. He is a danger and many MH professionals WARNED us of him. 

 

I will rejoice when he is gone.... and I mean really gone. 

[Hogs]

PRETTY SIMPLE ISSUE 

If I charge you 20% import duties and your charging me 274% then that is clearly not fair and I would want to get tthat to an equal standing especially since its been like that for years without challenge.

I really dont understand what all the negativity is about Trump is evening the playing field for the American peole 

I find it laughable that Canada is bitching about the tarifs trump impose on Canada steel which is still only 30 odd percent but Canada is just fine charging 274% duty  on US dairy products 

Quite laughable 

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would WORKING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and that is why he was voted in 

[Hogs]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

More than likely sex tapes, of orgies in Moscow hotel suites, with underage girls. Think about it. What did Putin do before he became a dictator? What was his training? His first instinct would be to get some dirt on Trump, in the event he ever engaged in negotiations with him, or in case he ever became president. It makes sense. And it also makes sense that Tiny D. would NOT be able to resist this. He is a sex freak. He loves to grab the pussies, and stick his tongue in the mouth of any beautiful woman he sees, remember? He said this himself. So, how would he be able to resist? It was probably the easiest sting King Vlad ever conducted. And he may even have tapes of Trumps participation in the Orgy Island escapades. Also many underage women. He is documented to have gone on 22 of these trips with Jeffrey Epstein. 

 

And the summit in North Korea will probably be the easiest meeting of Kim's career. He is getting exactly what he wants, without giving anything in return. Denuclearization? In your dreams. America first please. That will be exactly what Kim will request! If the US, the UK, China, Japan, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, India, and any other power denuclearize, we will too. They did not spend tens of billions, just to give it all away.

FAIRY TALE time LOL 

 

[sandrabbit]

15 minutes ago, Hogs said:

 

why have you edited selftaopath's post, it's against forum rules?.

Edited June 9, 2018 by sandrabbit

[tomacht8]

8 minutes ago, Hogs said:

PRETTY SIMPLE ISSUE 

If I charge you 20% import duties and your charging me 274% then that is clearly not fair and I would want to get tthat to an equal standing especially since its been like that for years without challenge.

I really dont understand what all the negativity is about Trump is evening the playing field for the American peole 

I find it laughable that Canada is bitching about the tarifs trump impose on Canada steel which is still only 30 odd percent but Canada is just fine charging 274% duty  on US dairy products 

Quite laughable 

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would WORKING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and that is why he was voted in 

Why are you just repeat the lies of Trump?
First inform yourself about the correct facts!
Canadian tariffs on US dairy product imports only apply once the agreed quota is exceeded.
The US exports far more dairy produce into Canada, than Canada exports to the US.
Trump's tactic is to take a number out of a complex context and then populist it, as a word hammer for his voters who are informed little in Detail.

[Hogs]

4 minutes ago, sandrabbit said:

why have you edited selftaopath's post, it's against forum rules?.

I did not edit it made an error and posted my response into it by mistake I will correct it 

[simple1]

15 minutes ago, Hogs said:

I find it laughable that Canada is bitching about the tarifs trump impose on Canada steel which is still only 30 odd percent but Canada is just fine charging 274% duty  on US dairy products 
<snip>

Try a few minutes research, it will assist you in understanding the misinformation Trump is promoting, misinformation which Trump has frankly admitted is one of his methods to fool people. A starting point for you...

 

https://globalnews.ca/video/4086374/trump-brags-about-lying-to-trudeau-about-trade

 

http://www.cdc-ccl.gc.ca/CDC/index-eng.php?id=3803

 

[Hogs]

8 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Why are you just repeat the lies of Trump?
First inform yourself about the correct facts!
Canadian tariffs on US dairy product imports only apply once the agreed quota is exceeded.
The US exports far more dairy produce into Canada, than Canada exports to the US.
Trump's tactic is to take a number out of a complex context and then populist it, as a word hammer for his voters who are informed little in Detail.

Watch and Learn 

Trump will do EXACTLY what he says he will do the field will be leveled

Mark my word it will be done 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

57 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Not everyone's cup of tea by a long long stretch, with his own way of doing things, but hardly lacking in intelligent.

 

Really??? Follow this prescient article from August 2017 in the New Yorker:

 

Quote

 

Why Is Donald Trump Still So Horribly Witless About the World?

Max Boot, a lifelong conservative who advised three Republican Presidential candidates on foreign policy, keeps a folder labelled “Trump Stupidity File” on his computer. It’s next to his “Trump Lies” file. “Not sure which is larger at this point,” he told me this week. “It’s neck-and-neck.”
 

Six months into the Trump era, foreign-policy officials from eight past Administrations told me they are aghast that the President is still so witless about the world. “He seems as clueless today as he was on January 20th,” Boot, who is now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said. Trump’s painful public gaffes, they warn, indicate that he’s not reading, retaining, or listening to his Presidential briefings. And the newbie excuse no longer flies.

..........

I asked top Republican and intelligence officials [not Democrats] from eight Administrations what they thought was the one thing the President needs to grasp to succeed on the world stage. Their various replies: embrace the fact that the Russians are not America’s friends. Don’t further alienate the Europeans, who are our friends. Encourage human rights—a founding principle of American identity—and don’t make priority visits to governments that curtail them, such as Poland and Saudi Arabia. Understand that North Korea’s nuclear program can’t be outsourced to China, which can’t or won’t singlehandedly fix the problem anyway, and realize that military options are limited. Pulling out of innovative trade deals, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, will boost China’s economy and secure its global influence—to America’s disadvantage. Stop bullying his counterparts. And put the Russia case behind him by coöperating with the investigation rather than trying to discredit it.

 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-is-donald-trump-still-so-horribly-witless-about-the-world

 

And so what has Trump done during his presidency re the advice given above, pretty much the opposite in every case:

--Treat Russia and Putin and his best friend.

--Alienated our best friends in Europe.

--Disregarded human rights and cozyed up to countries that disregard them.

--Continued bullying his counterparts.

--Pursued pulling the U.S. of various international agreements on climate, nuclear weapons, trade.

--Done almost everything in his power to discredit and undermine the Russia investigation.

Etc etc. etc.

 

 

[CGW]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

More than likely sex tapes, of orgies in Moscow hotel suites, with underage girls

I reckon his "handlers" the Zionists beat them to that?

 

5 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

What do the Russians have on him he is always defending them

You could ask why the Russians are constantly being "demonised" by the globalist controlled media.

 

Just saying ?

[tomacht8]

4 minutes ago, Hogs said:

Watch and Learn 

Trump will do EXACTLY what he says he will do the field will be leveled

Mark my word it will be done 

Nice.
But with what benefit for the US People?

Hope you have already ordered your nightcap here.
https://www.trumpstore.com/collections/gifts?page=1
Made in China.

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, CGW said:

I reckon his "handlers" the Zionists beat them to that?

 

You could ask why the Russians are constantly being "demonised" by the globalist controlled media.

 

Just saying ?

You mean the same "globalists" that are protecting Trump and keeping him in office? There are a hundred reasons why the media is staying on Russia's case. At least a hundred. To begin with, it is a virtual dictatorship, with little rule of law. Secondarily, the media freedom is currently at the level that Trump wishes was the case in the US, where the supreme leader decides what gets published, who goes to jail for a critical article, and who lives and dies. Shall I go on? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, CGW said:

You could ask why the Russians are constantly being "demonised" by the globalist controlled media.

 

Perhaps because they assassinate and attempt to assassinate their dissident citizens in foreign countries with chemical weapons, invade neighboring countries, shoot down commercial passenger jets, engage in covert efforts to undermine and influence the democratic governments in other countries including the U.S., are a thoroughly corrupt and autocratic regime run by a dictator that silences its internal critics, etc etc.

 

They really don't need any help from "globalist controlled media." They do quite a good job of demonizing themselves.

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK