Let Us Hire Foreigners, Short-Staffed Shop Owners Demand

[smedly]

6 hours ago, kannot said:

or when working more than 12  hours a  day sometimes 7 am to 10pm at night for 10+ years painting and decorating in the Uk like I did from age 20 to 36 with no lunch break, I could never bear to stop and thought it  just prolonged the job and wasted a  whole hour each day,

I slowed down from 36 onwards to 10 hours a  day and retired at 44 with enough made to cover me for life, always a saver.

Id  really like to help many of the staff that come to us but they all have  more or less the same "no future" attitude, never think of tomorrow and they could stay with us forever and  id more than likely eventually give them some land and a  house "if" they were honest, reliable, loyal etc

Last Burmese lad was great for about 14  months then went  downhill fast, I used to go back to the Uk and always brought him something back, knowing he was a mad Chelsea? fan I even got him a genuine  Captains signed shirt bought in the UK.

Unfortunately it does harden you up to the next people who come although we have after 6  months trying found 2 people (Thai) who seem really good , at the moment its very early days though. I really hope they are the real deal this time but dont expect too much as disappointment is almost the norm, sadly.

exactly, now that is what I call a work ethic

[smedly]

13 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

But they don't see us when we're in our clown uniform at a school. 

hour many hours did you put in

[cornishcarlos]

21 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

young Thais are aspiring to

 

There's a quote you don't hear every day 

[Andrew65]

9 hours ago, Ks45672 said:

Who else is going to hand pick the fruit and veg?? 

I used to in Herefordshire when I was 7 or 8 years old for pocket money. Not what I'd call a proper job. (Strawberries are best, pick one for the box - then eat one!??Blackcurrants were hard work).

 

Who do you think used to do all the jobs that are overwhelmingly done by migrants today?

Edited June 14, 2018 by Andrew65

[smedly]

14 hours ago, Bangkok Ape said:

ITT, overweight, borderline alcoholic, ex desk-jockey farangs who laze about all day with their tardy ex-hooker wives calling Thai people lazy. You couldn't make it up.

who exactly are you referring too, if someone comes here to retire they have every right to laze about, if they come here on holiday - well, they are on - you guessed it, holiday and I'm not making it up, do share your own experience

 

 

[Fruit Trader]

6 hours ago, kannot said:

How  do you find Cambodian workers?

The family have contacts and use lots of temporary workers from borders around Chanthaburi we have taken a few and made them permanent with legal permits.

[stud858]

At condo went through a few Thai managers.

30000 baht salary a month. 

They take the money but have no proactive work ethic combined with low quality education and poor cognition . 

Currently a foreigner juristic kicking butt and getting things done. 

I call him super falang. 

Yes Thai government should make it easier for falang to work and setup business.  Good for everyone except the anti falang sentiment groups.

 

[Johnyo]

Wrong they did not come for work. They came for benefits.

Wrong they came because Brits are to lazy to work in some of the lower paid jobs and prefer to live on benefits.


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[jimster]

On 6/13/2018 at 1:49 PM, PatOngo said:

Because only foreign workers from those countries will work for the  oppressive wages paid! Would you work for approx. 300 thb per day?

Not only these countries but anyone from a poor third world country would be willing. It's because they are neighboring countries and share a similar culture with Thailand. Bangladeshis are even poorer and there was a proposal to allow them in in large numbers as migrant laborers but there was a lot of opposition from Thai employers and labor groups because Bangladeshi culture is "too different" from Thai culture.

[jimster]

On 6/13/2018 at 7:28 PM, kannot said:

Sheesh Its  all sounds very familiar and exactly what Ive had, some really take the piss and I usually boot em off telling em why. In 5  years had 1  good  worker the rest all had some sort of "problem"

But you know the best part, theyll run to the village and instead of saying how crap they were they tell everyone they know "Falang Fussy" kin hilarious!!

We do hear form many other Thai employees  though they have the EXACT same problems, last road builder we  had said they often stole steel from him. And they all get minimum 500 day round here. 

Burmese, sorry to tell you they now only want factory work with overtime and will dump any factory when that overtime stops, spoke with several agents about this and they confirm it, also a lot of  hassle  now and BIG fines for incorrect paperwork which will cost you a  fair  bit and...guess what,  you do it all and 1  month later.they up an leave. 

I know Burmese workers quite well as I employ them for my business...many have a similar work ethic to Thais. However, in my experience I have found them to be quite reliable. In border areas like Tak province, especially in places like Mae Sot most workers are Burmese and you won't find any Thais even if you wanted to...because...there are none. Sometimes the language barrier can be a problem, because they don't speak Thai (or English) but things still usually get done, at least OKish. As long as you supervise them constantly it's OK. Never rely on another local person because if you're not there, only some things get done but the workers will still want to be paid the full amount. That's been my experience.

[jimster]

On 6/13/2018 at 2:15 PM, Briggsy said:

Because there is a specific existing legal framework and bureacracy, and existing agreements between Thailand and those 3 neighbouring countries to facilitate labourers from those countries to work in Thailand.

That's right, although interestingly, not in the opposite direction. Thais have no special rights to work in Laos, they can get a work permit like any other foreigner but unlike the Vietnamese and Chinese, they don't (or aren't allowed to) work in menial roles or roles such as construction. How much of this is political (because Laos shares the same political system as Vietnam and China) I don't know, but I suspect it has a lot to do with it.

 

Cambodia and Myanmar are similar - there are some Vietnamese in Cambodia working as laborers and in construction etc. (not as many as in Laos but still) but no Thais. Thais only come as mid-level managers to oversee projects in the agricultural, food processing and power generation sectors. Ditto for Myanmar - Thais go to places like Mawlamyine on business as there is a Thai owned power plant there. However, there are probably exactly zero Thais working in the Burmese border towns - you'll see only truck drivers picking up and delivering goods and tourists going shopping, that's it.

 

In any Thai border city, citizens of the neighboring country dominate as traders. It's difficult to find a Thai working at the Rong Kluea market in Aranyaprathet, opposite Poipet, however, I understand the businesses themselves are all Thai owned.

 

Funnily enough Thais work in casinos located in Cambodia and Myanmar!

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

On 6/13/2018 at 4:08 AM, smedly said:

That is your interpretation of what they are saying (your opinion) which you are entitled too, my understanding is that minimum wage applies to all workers

 

Is there exploitation in Thailand - well yes, there is also exploitation in the UK because free movement allows citizens of poorer countries  to come there and work for the bare minimum, we can argue all day about what to do about it

but the minimum wage in the UK is 7 times more than in thailand.

with minimum wage in the UK you can buy good food that will support your body, with

thai min. wage your body will shrink and all your thinking process will slow down to 

allmost complete halt.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

12 hours ago, jimster said:

That's right, although interestingly, not in the opposite direction. Thais have no special rights to work in Laos, they can get a work permit like any other foreigner but unlike the Vietnamese and Chinese, they don't (or aren't allowed to) work in menial roles or roles such as construction. How much of this is political (because Laos shares the same political system as Vietnam and China) I don't know, but I suspect it has a lot to do with it.

 

Cambodia and Myanmar are similar - there are some Vietnamese in Cambodia working as laborers and in construction etc. (not as many as in Laos but still) but no Thais. Thais only come as mid-level managers to oversee projects in the agricultural, food processing and power generation sectors. Ditto for Myanmar - Thais go to places like Mawlamyine on business as there is a Thai owned power plant there. However, there are probably exactly zero Thais working in the Burmese border towns - you'll see only truck drivers picking up and delivering goods and tourists going shopping, that's it.

 

In any Thai border city, citizens of the neighboring country dominate as traders. It's difficult to find a Thai working at the Rong Kluea market in Aranyaprathet, opposite Poipet, however, I understand the businesses themselves are all Thai owned.

 

Funnily enough Thais work in casinos located in Cambodia and Myanmar!

i see in many shopping centers in central bangkok nepalese and cambodians as salesman. why is that? why not thai?

[jimster]

On 6/21/2018 at 8:53 PM, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

i see in many shopping centers in central bangkok nepalese and cambodians as salesman. why is that? why not thai?

Good point. MBK comes to mind - lots of Nepalese, Burmese, Cambodians and others. Ditto for the outdoor market on Sukhumvit road near Nana. The police could easily raid the place and ask these people for their permits, but seem to leave them alone. I wonder if they're all legal though and how they can manage to bypass the 4 to 1 Thai workers to foreigners ratio when 90% of the employees are not Thai.