Deportation - Foreign Criminal Record

[cusanus]

The BIG question is this.  suppose someone is here on tourist visa or extended tourist visa and causing trouble. Is it possible to have them deported if they have a criminal record in the states? Anyone know anything about that?  The local police don't seem to be on top of those things, but then where can this be reported? Or does it even matter?   

 

Oh, and another thing? Suppose the person has taken up residence for weeks without a TM28 or TM30, no permission from an owner or house holder?

 

Thanks for any good answers. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by cusanus

[greenchair]

What a horrible thing to do. 

Just remember. 

What goes around always always comes around! !

[poanoi]

18 minutes ago, greenchair said:

What a horrible thing to do. 

Just remember. 

What goes around always always comes around! !

no, i should, but it doesnt

[elviajero]

5 hours ago, cusanus said:

Is it possible to have them deported if they have a criminal record in the states?

Highly unlikely, but I suppose it’s possible if it were a serious crime. They are unlikely to deport anyone unless they’ve done something wrong in Thailand.

 

5 hours ago, cusanus said:

Oh, and another thing? Suppose the person has taken up residence for weeks without a TM28 or TM30, no permission from an owner or house holder?

The owner or house-master would get fined if they haven’t notified the foreigners stay.

[KhaoYai]

Sort your problems out some other way.  This person may be causing trouble but they may be in a relationship - would you want to break that up? 

 

More importantly, do you think the Thai policeman you report the matter to actually gives a toss?  What's in it for him? Remember, law enforcers in Thailand have a different agenda to what you may be used to.  You may find that if you become a grass (snitch?), people stop talking to you. Leave it or sort it another way.

[Ks45672]

Depends a lot on your definition of "causing trouble" if police would care

 

When he annoys a Thai it will probably be sorted out quickly 

[bkk6060]

No to all your questions.

[colinneil]

 OP you sound like a lovely guy, why so spiteful?

Mind your own business, concentrate on your own life, not other peoples.

[cusanus]

Just a hypothetical. Interesting answers, though. 

[colinneil]

2 minutes ago, cusanus said:

Just a hypothetical. Interesting answers, though. 

Now you have been called out, you are making things up, pathetic attempt, pathe tic.

[ubonjoe]

A person could be deported for illegal entry under this clause of section 12 of the immigration act.

[delphioracle]

Of course there is the possibility  that the hypothetical  social outcast may have hypothetical Thai friends  who may well appear at  the OP's house with some hypothetical bang bang toys and the O P may end up hypothetically prematurly deceased

[cusanus]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

A person could be deported for illegal entry under this clause of section 12 of the immigration act.

That's interesting, though where the line is drawn is hard to see. Thanks. 

[kingstonkid]

Simple answer if he is wanted in the states then the Embassy would decide if he is worthy of their concern.  Thai police cannot act on a foreign crime unless asked to.  goes for Brits adn Canucks also

[catman20]

16 hours ago, greenchair said:

What a horrible thing to do. 

Just remember. 

What goes around always always comes around! !

yes the OP sounds like a rat.........................we all know what happens to rats

[cusanus]

10 minutes ago, catman20 said:

yes the OP sounds like a rat.........................we all know what happens to rats

It's a common perception that many criminals come to Thailand to ply their trade where it's less likely that they be caught. This is especially true of pedophiles. Mr. Swirl was the best known example and was only caught because he published photos and videos of such acts on the internet where Interpol couldn't help but notice. So, you think exposing Mr. Swirl was the work of a rat. That's interesting. The question boils down to a question of safety, and you suggest that I would be rightly harmed for raising that question. 

[timendres]

27 minutes ago, cusanus said:

It's a common perception that many criminals come to Thailand to ply their trade where it's less likely that they be caught. This is especially true of pedophiles. Mr. Swirl was the best known example and was only caught because he published photos and videos of such acts on the internet where Interpol couldn't help but notice. So, you think exposing Mr. Swirl was the work of a rat. That's interesting. The question boils down to a question of safety, and you suggest that I would be rightly harmed for raising that question. 

Your allusions are of a serious enough nature, that your concerns seem valid. If the person in question had any convictions of this nature, they would almost certainly be escorted from the country. In this case, I suspect you would need to communicate the information to immigration - possibly best done by a Thai agent. Short of that, you need to be vigilant, and act when appropriate.

[cusanus]

1 minute ago, timendres said:

Your allusions are of a serious enough nature, that your concerns seem valid. If the person in question had any convictions of this nature, they would almost certainly be escorted from the country. In this case, I suspect you would need to communicate the information to immigration - possibly best done by a Thai agent. Short of that, you need to be vigilant, and act when appropriate.

Thank you. Of course, I was referring to situations where victims are in serious peril, not necessarily for that reason but any serious risk being posed. What concerns me is the victim's disadvantage due to the language barrier, perhaps also a lack of sophistication in some police departments though I have utmost respect for the police. Indeed, it isn't easy to report a crime in the states as far as that goes.  In no way either am I suggesting unnecessary hardship for anyone.  

[catman20]

1 hour ago, cusanus said:

It's a common perception that many criminals come to Thailand to ply their trade where it's less likely that they be caught. This is especially true of pedophiles. Mr. Swirl was the best known example and was only caught because he published photos and videos of such acts on the internet where Interpol couldn't help but notice. So, you think exposing Mr. Swirl was the work of a rat. That's interesting. The question boils down to a question of safety, and you suggest that I would be rightly harmed for raising that question. 

where i come from we would deal with Mr Swirl, a rats a rat

[lkv]

32 minutes ago, cusanus said:

though I have utmost respect for the police. 

Royal Thai Police you mean?

 

Oh yes, the cream of the cream.

[AGareth2]

if the gut is a nonce

then report to the embassy

[ratcatcher]

4 hours ago, catman20 said:

yes the OP sounds like a rat.........................we all know what happens to rats

 

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by ratcatcher

[Maestro]

A troll post and the reply to it have been removed.

[Issanjohn]

Bottom line if he has any kind of felony arrest warrant in the states then eventually he just won't be able to renew his passport when it expires.  When he goes to the embassy to renew his passport they'll just give him a temporary passport which would only allow him to fly directly back to the states and nowhere else.  If it's like some major crime or if he has a fugitive warrant then they would deport him in hand cuffs under those circumstances.  Although if it's just some petty misdemeanor warrant then he will have absolutely no problem at all renewing his passport when the time comes.  When the U.S. Department of State issues passports they're typically only looking for felony arrest warrants it even states that on the passport application.  Although I'm sure if he had multiple or dozens of misdemeanor arrest warrants for more serious misdemeanors then that would probably catch the embassy's attention when renewing his passport.  Typically only a felony warrant will prevent you from obtaining a new passport.  Unless he's wanted in the United States they'll never deport him unless he commits a crime in Thailand.  If there's some sort of INTERPOL Notice out on him then the police would actually be actively looking for him.  Otherwise the Thai authorities have no jurisdiction over crimes committed in the states unless he's a major wanted criminal.  

[Issanjohn]

3 hours ago, cusanus said:

Thank you. Of course, I was referring to situations where victims are in serious peril, not necessarily for that reason but any serious risk being posed. What concerns me is the victim's disadvantage due to the language barrier, perhaps also a lack of sophistication in some police departments though I have utmost respect for the police. Indeed, it isn't easy to report a crime in the states as far as that goes.  In no way either am I suggesting unnecessary hardship for anyone.  

If he's wanted for a felony they might deport him if you report it to the U.S. Embassy.  That's why they have the U.S. Marshals Service, they track down wanted fugitives including abroad, and they provide security for Federal Court Officials in the United States.  If it's just some petty misdemeanor nobody's going to listen.  

[Kim1950]

They can use a FBI Identity History Summary or the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). These systems would also include purged information and include OUI's. Some people use a simple and shallow state or local background check for extended visas. They won't cut  it, if authorities want a deep dive. I would aspect like other developing countries, if you are from the US, if you have dirt, Thailand will find you.

[StayinThailand2much]

May we ask, what is your reason to mess with other people's lives? If it is personal, like he's having issues or unpaid bills with you, why don't you just file a police report like anyone else in your situation, and wait what happens. If it's serious enough, you might get lucky and he might get deported.

[Russell17au]

No, he would not be deported. The police in the US would have to apply for an extradition order and have him arrested here and then he would appear before a Thai court where the US would have to state the charges and it would be up to the Thai judge whether to hand him over to the US officials for his return to the US.

The same thing is happening at this very moment where Thailand have applied for the extradition of a Thai monk who is being held in Germany while the case is heard in court.

[The Theory]

Asia is a hiding place for that kind. He is not the only one in Thailand.

Just keep yourself away, if you are not the one yourself. 

[thesetat2013]

there is nowhere on the entry form when entering thailand on a tourist visa that asks about previous criminal records. It is not the tourists responsibility to notify immigration the place he resides unless he chooses to do so voluntarily. it is the owner of the property who is responsible. 

seems to me you are  looking for a way to get rid of someone who is making you a problem.  Did he take your woman? 

Apparently he has not broken any thai laws so this must be from some personal indiscretion.  Let it be...