Trump tries to defuse immigrant crisis, but policy hit by confusion

[bushdoctor]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC

VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

MEMORIAL

"In honor of the thousands of American citizens killed each year by Illegal Aliens. 

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws".

 

Thanks for the link.

Of course liberals will be quick to point out other things that kill more people. ?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, bushdoctor said:

Thanks for the link.

Of course liberals will be quick to point out other things that kill more people. ?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't actually look at the URL. It's just a lot of pictures of people allegedly murdered by illegal aliens. No context at all. Many of the victims listed actually say "allegedly killed by..."

And talking about killing, this is the kind of trash that Macedonians make a killing out of.

[duanebigsby]

14 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Thanks for the link.

Of course liberals will be quick to point out other things that kill more people. ?

I'm a liberal and I'll point out naturalized Americans kill far more people percentage wise than illegal  immigrants.

[dcutman]

1 hour ago, duanebigsby said:

How do you get "killing many thousands of Americans" from 219 homicides. And what are the figures for Americans committing crimes during that period? You are cherry-picking stats to be a xenophobic, racist.

I have no idea what you are taking about, you are replying to the wrong person.

But Texas one state that does keep statistics on illegal immigrant crime I would guess the stats are similar to all other states + or -.

It would make sense would it not? They are illegal, they cant get good jobs, they have no identity in the US. But they do have all the opportunities, and then some, to commit crime for the same reasons, they have no identity. They can literally get away with murder until they get caught and put into the criminal system.

I am pretty sure that is a big reason the govt wants people to come here legally, they have to establish an identity here.

[duanebigsby]

Funny how so many accuse Thais of xenophobia and excess national pride when the exact same thing could be leveled at some of our home countries.

[duanebigsby]

4 minutes ago, dcutman said:

I have no idea what you are taking about, you are replying to the wrong person.

But Texas one state that does keep statistics on illegal immigrant crime I would guess the stats are similar to all other states + or -.

It would make sense would it not? They are illegal, they cant get good jobs, they have no identity in the US. But they do have all the opportunities, and then some, to commit crime for the same reasons, they have no identity. They can literally get away with murder until they get caught and put into the criminal system.

I am pretty sure that is a big reason the govt wants people to come here legally, they have to establish an identity here.

No, the stats would be far lower in northern and eastern states. How many illegal Mexican migrants live in Alaska?

I questioned your assertion that MANY THOUSANDS of Americans are killed by illegals each year.

[riclag]

28 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Thanks for the link.

Of course liberals will be quick to point out other things that kill more people. ?

 Millions of immigrants from all countries have come to America legally!I hope it continues that way.Here is another family permanently separated ! 

"The number one responsibility of the federal government is to protect the citizenry. We have been betrayed by successive administrations who have allowed campaign contributions and votes to supersede that responsibility with the result being the deaths of tens of thousands of our loved ones. - Don Rosenberg, Drew's father"

 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

 

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Millions of immigrants from all countries have come to America legally!I hope it continues that way.Here is another family permanently separated ! 

"The number one responsibility of the federal government is to protect the citizenry. We have been betrayed by successive administrations who have allowed campaign contributions and votes to supersede that responsibility with the result being the deaths of tens of thousands of our loved ones. - Don Rosenberg, Drew's father"

 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

 

Well, if Don Rosenberg, Drew's father, says so then it must be true. 

You've got no solid evidence at all, do you?

 

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, if Don Rosenberg, Drew's father, says so then it must be true. 

You've got no solid evidence at all, do you?

"Roberto Galo, an unlicensed driver from Honduras who entered the U.S. illegally but earned temporary protective status (TPS), killed Drew Rosenberg, a second-year law student, on November 16, 2010 in San Francisco, California. Rosenberg was riding his motorcycle when Galo ran over him three times with his car. Galo was convicted of vehicular manslaughter and sentenced to 6 months in jail". 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

[dcutman]

40 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

No, the stats would be far lower in northern and eastern states. How many illegal Mexican migrants live in Alaska?

I questioned your assertion that MANY THOUSANDS of Americans are killed by illegals each year.

I am not sure what why dont understand, I did not make any assertion about thousands being murdered, I have no idea what you are talking about there.  Go back and find the person that quoted that statement, and talk to them.

But you would be wrong about Alaska, there are 10,000 illegals,or so, up there as well.

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, riclag said:

"Roberto Galo, an unlicensed driver from Honduras who entered the U.S. illegally but earned temporary protective status (TPS), killed Drew Rosenberg, a second-year law student, on November 16, 2010 in San Francisco, California. Rosenberg was riding his motorcycle when Galo ran over him three times with his car. Galo was convicted of vehicular manslaughter and sentenced to 6 months in jail". 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

And this makes Don Rosenberg, Drew's father, an authority on the subject how exactly?

[riclag]

 

 

24 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And this makes Don Rosenberg, Drew's father, an authority on the subject how exactly?

He is a authority on permanent family separation at the hands of someone who entered illegal   

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

 

He is a authority on permanent family separation at the hands of someone who entered illegal   

So his opinion is more valuable? Maybe we should let angry family members of crimes be members of juries, too. And why not judges? Because we all know that angry people are also the ones most likely to be objective.

[bushdoctor]

1 hour ago, duanebigsby said:

I'm a liberal and I'll point out naturalized Americans kill far more people percentage wise than illegal  immigrants.

Naturalized Americans? 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization

 

[riclag]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

So his opinion is more valuable? Maybe we should let angry family members of crimes be members of juries, too. And why not judges? Because we all know that angry people are also the ones most likely to be objective.

Millions come in here legal,a illegal ran over his kids head 3 times, I'm finished! 

"The number one responsibility of the federal government is to protect the citizenry. We have been betrayed by successive administrations who have allowed campaign contributions and votes to supersede that responsibility with the result being the deaths of tens of thousands of our loved ones. - Don Rosenberg, Drew's father"

 

[bristolboy]

"Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population increased from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent, and the number of unauthorized immigrants went up from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. At the same time, the violent crime rate (murder, rape and aggravated assault) decreased 48 percent and property crime rate fell 41 percent, the report said, citing FBI data."

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

Millions come in here legal,a illegal ran over his kids head 3 times, I'm finished! 

"The number one responsibility of the federal government is to protect the citizenry. We have been betrayed by successive administrations who have allowed campaign contributions and votes to supersede that responsibility with the result being the deaths of tens of thousands of our loved ones. - Don Rosenberg, Drew's father"

 

Yeah, you've already cited that. Do you think that the more you cite it, the truer it becomes?  And can you cite an independent scholarly fact checked source to corroborate his factoid? I don't think so.

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

"Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population increased from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent, and the number of unauthorized immigrants went up from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. At the same time, the violent crime rate (murder, rape and aggravated assault) decreased 48 percent and property crime rate fell 41 percent, the report said, citing FBI data."

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/

Who did this survey

[moontang]

might have been worth disclosing that the majority of first generation Mexican American kids do not live with both parents, and that is close to 90% in some parts of Arizona and New Mexico, but then again, that would take away from all the sensationalism of breaking up functional families.  If there was half the outrage over fifteen year old Mexicans giving birth at taxpayer expense, every day in America, as there is over sixty year old men having Thai girlfriends half their age, the world would be a better place.

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Who did this survey

Who did what survey? There was no polling done.These numbers come from the government.You know, the same government whose economic figures you so eagerly tout.

[bristolboy]

And here's something from the National Academy of Sciences:

Immigrants are in fact much less likely to commit crime than natives, and the presence of large numbers of immigrants seems to lower crime rates." The study added that "This disparity also holds for young men most likely to be undocumented immigrants: Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men."

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Who did what survey? There was no polling done.These numbers come from the government.You know, the same government whose economic figures you so eagerly tout.

The Democrat and former Los Angeles mayor rejected the idea that deporting undocumented immigrants was a sound strategy for reducing crime.

[zydeco]

On 6/22/2018 at 10:25 AM, neeray said:

Regretfully both incompetent and illiterate +++. Just a name calling, pathological liar with no conscience, thus, the laughing stock of America.

Yeah, just a name caller. Sort of like your post?  

[bristolboy]

 

11 minutes ago, moontang said:

might have been worth disclosing that the majority of first generation Mexican American kids do not live with both parents, and that is close to 90% in some parts of Arizona and New Mexico, but then again, that would take away from all the sensationalism of breaking up functional families.  If there was half the outrage over fifteen year old Mexicans giving birth at taxpayer expense, every day in America, as there is over sixty year old men having Thai girlfriends half their age, the world would be a better place.

And of course Republicans are so concerned about this that they want to cut off all funding to Planned Parenthood.

[zydeco]

On 6/22/2018 at 6:23 AM, FreddieRoyle said:

To keep things in perspective here, far from the public going along with the media frenzy and excuse to abuse President Trump, the public blame the parents for the child immigrant crisis. 

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/june_2018/voters_blame_parents_not_feds_for_border_children_crisis

 

 Still, this latest nonsense is refreshing seeing as they have finally stopped banging on about Russia. Small mercies.

Yes, and most of the Democrat base blames the border crashers, too. All the Democrats are doing is providing an illustration of their anti-American, pro-Globalist sentiments. They will pay for it again in November.

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

The Democrat and former Los Angeles mayor rejected the idea that deporting undocumented immigrants was a sound strategy for reducing crime.

Are you replying to someone else? For what it's worth, I agree with "The Democrat and former Los Angeles mayor".

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Yes, and most of the Democrat base blames the border crashers, too. All the Democrats are doing is providing an illustration of their anti-American, pro-Globalist sentiments. They will pay for it again in November.

Here are the fair and balanced questions that Rasmussen asked:

 

 Do you agree or disagree with the following statement - "The United States will not be a migrant camp. And it will not be a refugee-holding facility - it won't be."

 

2* Is the Trump administration too aggressive or not aggressive enough in trying to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the United States? Or are its policiesabout right?

 

3* When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, who is more to blame – the parents for breaking the law or the federal government for enforcing the law?

 

Maybe these kinds of questions are one reason why Rasmussen  gets a C* grade from fivethirtyeight.com:

.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

[riclag]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Are you replying to someone else? For what it's worth, I agree with "The Democrat and former Los Angeles mayor".

The Cato research institute was used for the study. 

[zydeco]

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And here's something from the National Academy of Sciences:

Immigrants are in fact much less likely to commit crime than natives, and the presence of large numbers of immigrants seems to lower crime rates." The study added that "This disparity also holds for young men most likely to be undocumented immigrants: Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men."

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9

Of course the fact is that the "young men most likely to be undocumented immigrants" would need to avoid taxes (a crime) or steal someone's identity (a crime) to work. If they are working, they are doing so illegally (a crime). 

[zydeco]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Here are the fair and balanced questions that Rasmussen asked:

 

 Do you agree or disagree with the following statement - "The United States will not be a migrant camp. And it will not be a refugee-holding facility - it won't be."

 

2* Is the Trump administration too aggressive or not aggressive enough in trying to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the United States? Or are its policiesabout right?

 

3* When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, who is more to blame – the parents for breaking the law or the federal government for enforcing the law?

 

Maybe these kinds of questions are one reason why Rasmussen  gets a C* grade from fivethirtyeight.com:

.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

fivethirtyeight projected a Clinton victory over Trump.  Laughable.