Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

IDPs are not a shortcoming of my making - As with most Brexiteers do you confuse the messenger with there message - if you hadn't the country wouldn't have got in this mess in the first place.

 

...and it is noted you seem as ever be bereft of any counter argument .... perhaps you are still thinking that out?

 

 

There is no counter argument.

 

 

We successfully voted to leave the EU and that is what we are doing.

 

As usual, the politicians couldn't be trusted to complete the task without ballsing it up.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

There is no counter argument.

 

 

We successfully voted to leave the EU and that is what we are doing.

 

As usual, the politicians couldn't be trusted to complete the task without ballsing it up.

Only Jesus Christ could lead the UK out of the EU without ballsing it up. It's just the nature of the thing. And it would take every miracle Jesus could lay his hands on to do it. 

[Rally123]

26 minutes ago, kwilco said:

this is just ONE of thousands of conveniences the UK will lose after Brexit - that anyone could be so daft as to vote for this sort of thing is beyond me.

I said something similar some 40 years ago when I voted 'NO' to joining. But I sat back and accepted democracy. So why don't all you whinging Remoaners just do the same? Stop throwing yer toys out of the pram.

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Only Jesus Christ could lead the UK out of the EU without ballsing it up. It's just the nature of the thing. And it would take every miracle Jesus could lay his hands on to do it. 

 

 

It was His father who failed to get improved terms from the EU then skulked away (after failing to get the referendum result He expected).. leaving the inept remainer Mother Theresa to front the debacle.

 

 

Let's just get the bl00dy job done and we can mend the bad bits later.

[bristolboy]

Just now, Jip99 said:

 

 

It was His father who failed to get improved terms from the EU then skulked away (after failing to get the referendum result He expected).. leaving the inept remainer Mother Theresa to front the debacle.

 

 

Let's just get the bl00dy job done and we can mend the bad bits later.

It's not the bits that are bad. It's the bloody beating heart of the thing.

[The Renegade]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

But what does this have to do with the knowledge of economic issues?

One of these Economic experts are you ?

 

See if you can do a little better than your peers.

 

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The European Central Bank will raise rates in the second half of next year, according to a Reuters poll of economists, who were confident that will be before the next economic downturn.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-economy-poll/ecb-to-hike-rates-before-next-downturn-say-confident-economists-reuters-poll-idUSKBN1K900B

 

I'm sure that people like tebee, who hang onto every word of so called '' Economic Experts '' would love that time frame for the next economic downturn narrowed down a bit.

 

And do not do tell me that economics is not an exact science ??

 

I'm not an economist, but here is my prediction.

 

If the ECB do not get those rates up, they are going to be well and truly <deleted> when the next economic downturn / Financial crash hits.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

When you say 'the government', did Theresa May back this up?

 

These numbers are engineered, using only negative impacts, ignoring any positive impacts, and assuming every worst case scenario. Numbers designed to scare the public into reversing the decision to leave the EU. It clearly works on some people...

 

 

 

 

They are the ones that the Department for Exiting the EU published ! If they were biased, would they not be biased in favor of what they were set up to do?

 

[The Renegade]

11 minutes ago, tebee said:

They are the ones that the Department for Exiting the EU published ! If they were biased, would they not be biased in favor of what they were set up to do?

 

And that would affect you how tebee ?

 

For someone who claims to live between Thailand & France, does not work in the UK, Brexit would have no impact on your life whatsoever.

 

So why are you all over every Brexit thread like an outbreak of German measles ?

Edited July 19, 2018 by The Renegade

[stephenterry]

25 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

It was His father who failed to get improved terms from the EU then skulked away (after failing to get the referendum result He expected).. leaving the inept remainer Mother Theresa to front the debacle.

 

 

Let's just get the bl00dy job done and we can mend the bad bits later.

Er, not according to Boris Johnson in his resignation speech, who quoted thus:

It is absolute nonsense to imagine, as I fear some of my colleagues do, that we can somehow afford to make a botched treaty now and then break and reset the bone later on.  

[stephenterry]

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

They are the ones that the Department for Exiting the EU published ! If they were biased, would they not be biased in favor of what they were set up to do?

 

And the UK government is STILL aiming to force through Brexit, even though they KNOW the UK is going to be worse off.

 

Are they all characters from Theresa in Wonderland? Mad Hatters or what?

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Er, not according to Boris Johnson in his resignation speech, who quoted thus:

It is absolute nonsense to imagine, as I fear some of my colleagues do, that we can somehow afford to make a botched treaty now and then break and reset the bone later on.  

 

 

The reality is that we can.....

 

 

Cameron tried, but failed, with the old one.

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The reality is that we can.....

 

 

Cameron tried, but failed, with the old one.

Again, Johnson following on: We have seen even in these talks how the supposedly provisional becomes eternal. 

 

In other words, Fudged treaties are the reality and would not be mended. 

[Rally123]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

And the UK government is STILL aiming to force through Brexit, even though they KNOW the UK is going to be worse off.

 

That's democracy. Accept it.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Rally123 said:

That's democracy. Accept it.

Challenging the direction the government is taking the country is also democracy.

 

Accept it.

[bristolboy]

29 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

And that would affect you how tebee ?

 

For someone who claims to live between Thailand & France, does not work in the UK, Brexit would have no impact on your life whatsoever.

 

So why are you all over every Brexit thread like an outbreak of German measles ?

And how does that affect the quality of his arguments? Living in the UK, on the other hand, does not seem to guarantee its residents even the most rudimentary understanding of economics.

And by the way, are you aware this forum is being hosted by thaivisa.com? And that it is primarily directed at the expat community in Thailand?

Edited July 19, 2018 by bristolboy

[nontabury]

17 hours ago, tebee said:

The problem is that leaving the single market and ending FOM solves the problem of cheap Eastern European labour taking jobs here, but causes another problem for all those people whose existing  jobs in the UK depend on some aspect of of the SM or FOM. The government's own estimate is that with an FTA set up 1.75 million UK jobs will be lost and with no deal 2.8 million jobs will go

The governments own estimates.

Would this be one of the estimation from remainer Phillip Hammonds department, staffed by unelected remain supporting civil servants. Who have now admitted they over estimated, the  negative side of Brexit.

 

teebee, have you always had this defeatist attitude to life?

Edited July 19, 2018 by nontabury

[nontabury]

9 hours ago, stephenterry said:

There will be good and bad tradesmen whatever their nationality. Best way to avoid bad workmanship is to visit one of their completed projects, get recommendations or not, as most sensible people would do. Whether it happens in the UK or the EU is neither here nor there.

 

And as we're on the topic, the influx of lower paid workers from the EU, is that British (non) workers on benefits can't be arsed to do to menial jobs like hotel staff jobs and seasonal fruit-pickers - therefore leaving a gap in the labour market. It's called having a 'work ethic' that today's British 'breadline workers' seem to lack (as a generality).

 

If Brexit is going to cause massive  job losses in the UK, for whatever reason, it should be a government concern that needs to be addressed during the negotiations with the EU, something that Johnson and his Brexit cronies of the same ilk, with all their upper-class financial stability and constant blue-sky rhetoric, cannot grasp - or choose to ignore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It pxssxs me off when we have people like you bad mouthing British workers,and their lack of work ethics. Yes we know that there is a small section who are work shy, but this is just a very small % of the workforce,and not as some newspapers would make out as the general attitude.

Unfortunately this is the same in all nations, where they can get away with it.

Look back a couple of weeks and you will see a post from me,where I recounted the story of a Eastern European women, who only lasted at the workplace for two hours, it was simple too hard for her, yet no complaints from the British and Thai workers at the same establishment. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Challenging the direction the government is taking the country is also democracy.

 

Accept it.

 

But don't keep whining when you lose, as you did.

[The Renegade]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

But don't keep whining when you lose, as you did.

The best part of it, is that he did not lose anything. He is not even a Brit ??

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

The best part of it, is that he did not lose anything. He is not even a Brit ??

And if a doctor diagnoses you with cancer will you only believe him if he has cancer himself? Or would you rather trust the judgement of a cancer-ridden quack? Unless you're an immigrant your nationality isn't something you choose. But ignorance is.

[The Renegade]

Diary date. Wed 25 July

 

Herr Juncker flies to the US next week to have trade talks with Trump.

 

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Only a week before European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker flies to Washington, France and Germany are divided over how much he should offer to U.S. President Donald Trump to end a deepening trade war, say European diplomats and officials.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-gains-upper-hand-in-european-split-over-trump-trade-strategy/

 

How much he should offer to Trump ??

 

Juncker is going to feel exactly the same way Cameron felt in Feb 2016, empty handed and broken ??

 

If anyone knows where to buy that lethal alcohol called '' Sciatica '' Could you email Trump direct and tell him to get in a couple of litres, Juncker loves it ??

[tomacht8]

Tory hardliners fail to grasp that the EU would set the terms of a no-deal rupture.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8980fc82-8a8e-11e8-bf9e-8771d5404543

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

They are the ones that the Department for Exiting the EU published ! If they were biased, would they not be biased in favor of what they were set up to do?

 

 

I see the source of ‘statistics’ for these predictions is the ONS. They don't have a great track record with predictions.

These predictions are full of only negative assumptions – worst case scenarios.  I’ve seen the report on the DExEU website.

Incidentally, where did you get that screenshot from? I can’t see it on the official site.

It looks like you found it at BritainStays.co.uk.  I wonder what their agenda is…

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

These predictions are full of only negative assumptions

In remainer world, they are not predictions - They are facts ??

 

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It looks like you found it at BritainStays.co.uk.  I wonder what their agenda is…

Highly unbiased source, dontcha know ??

[Rally123]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Challenging the direction the government is taking the country is also democracy.

 

No it isn't. T May wasn't a supporter of Brexit, and probably still isn't, but she's been directed by a majority the people to exit. She has no choice in the matter other than to resign and she's already stated that she will not. Whether Brexit will be a disaster is something  we will only know with hindsight. Voting YES in the 70's was a disaster and it has took 40+ years to correct it. Roll on and get the **** out.  

[The Renegade]

23 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Tory hardliners fail to grasp that the EU would set the terms of a no-deal rupture.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8980fc82-8a8e-11e8-bf9e-8771d5404543

Ya think ?

 

Big bad Trump is on the prowl

 

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World Trade Organization (WTO) arbitrators will evaluate a U.S. request to impose billions of dollars worth of sanctions on European products after a final WTO ruling that found the European Union had made illegal subsidies to Airbus (AIR.PA).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-usa-wto-aircraft/wto-arbitrators-to-consider-u-s-request-for-sanctions-in-airbus-case-idUSKBN1K91G2?il=0

 

Juncker is going to get his @rse handed to him on a plate next Wednesday.

 

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While Berlin is terrified by the prospect of 20 percent tariffs on cars and is desperate for a ceasefire deal,

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-gains-upper-hand-in-european-split-over-trump-trade-strategy/

 

I wont even start on the internal EU strife.

Edited July 19, 2018 by The Renegade

[stephenterry]

31 minutes ago, Rally123 said:

No it isn't. T May wasn't a supporter of Brexit, and probably still isn't, but she's been directed by a majority the people to exit. She has no choice in the matter other than to resign and she's already stated that she will not. Whether Brexit will be a disaster is something  we will only know with hindsight. Voting YES in the 70's was a disaster and it has took 40+ years to correct it. Roll on and get the **** out.  

You have stated your opinion several times. Now roll on...and await the disaster that Brexit will cause. Your funeral.

[Jip99]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

And the UK government is STILL aiming to force through Brexit, even though they KNOW the UK is going to be worse off.

 

 

 

 

 

Did you vote to remain ?

[The manic]

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

[The manic]

15 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

You have stated your opinion several times. Now roll on...and await the disaster that Brexit will cause. Your funeral.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.