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[Morch]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pure conjecture.

 

"Pure conjecture" how?

 

Parents are unaware of the nature of protests? Parents are unaware of casualties? How far does the exemption from any responsibility goes, when it comes to Palestinians?

 

And, of course, no such objections when the other usual suspects engage in "pure conjecture" - as long as it negatively applies to Israelis, seems perfectly acceptable.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

"Pure conjecture" how?

 

Parents are unaware of the nature of protests? Parents are unaware of casualties? How far does the exemption from any responsibility goes, when it comes to Palestinians?

 

And, of course, no such objections when the other usual suspects engage in "pure conjecture" - as long as it negatively applies to Israelis, seems perfectly acceptable.

The whole post was conjecture.

 

You’ve not improved on it.

[dexterm]

31 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@dexterm

 

It doesn't really matter whether it's a school day or not.

 

Considering you are perfectly willing to fantasize about the motives of Israeli soldiers, politicians and general populace, complaining about others applying such reasoning is disingenuous. In fact, you're doing this (and as usual, going the extra vile mile) on this very post.

 

Seems like in your world, as long as they are Palestinians - parents and authorities bear no responsibility for anything much.

 

The usual moralizing is hollow coming from the likes of you.

No fantasizing needed.

 

Read the accounts of IDF waiting in ambush with high velocity ammunition by the fence to blow the legs off teenagers not threatening them but running away,  and the brave 21 year old female medic clearly in uniform hands in the air shot through the chest, seen the videos of teenagers running away hundreds of yards from the fence whose only crime was to be carrying a tire, seen the videos of IDF cheering and laughing when they down a protester, heard the Moldovan immigrant now Israeli Defense Minister Lieberman with the chutzpah to praise the IDF for their killing protesters to prevent them from returning to the land they were ethnically cleansed from.

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[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The whole post was conjecture.

 

You’ve not improved on it.

 

So basically, you can't actually back up your nonsense with anything much. Thanks for making that clear.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Ah, so this is the "truth", and obviously applies to all IDF soldiers and Israelis. But such cannot be applied to the Palestinians, because..."fantasies" . That is, if one ignores all them accounts, clips and statements to the opposite.

 

Thanks for making your nonsensical extreme biased position clear.

 

 

 

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[BestB]

44 minutes ago, dexterm said:

No school in Gaza on Fridays. And just as when we were all teenagers my parents did not fit me with an electronic tag.

 

You are willing to fantasize about parents' motives, and their knowledge of the boy's whereabouts, blame the 14 year old victim (some sources say 13), but not a single word of condemnation for the fully protected entrenched unthreatened Israeli psychopath who actually made the cold blooded choice to shoot a child through the head. Apparently this is all "in accordance with the standard operating procedures"..ho hum par for the course in the IDF.

 

Speaks volumes about the immoral attitudes of Israeli apologists and the hateful regime they attempt to defend.

 

Well that makes perfect sense, since there is no school on Friday in Gaza then what a better place to spend the time but at the border with Israel throwing stones and grenades.

 

All makes perfect sense,Its the IDF who are bad, not the ones attacking them.

[BestB]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pure conjecture.

Of course it is, when it does not suit your agenda 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, BestB said:

Of course it is, when it does not suit your agenda 

Of course it is when there is no evidence to back up each of the statements you made. 

 

A child had been killed, if you make a statement about the killing provide evidence to back it up.

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[BestB]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course it is when there is no evidence to back up each of the statements you made. 

 

I child had been killed, if you make a statement about the killing provide evidence to back it up.

What evidence do you require? he was not shot in his home, he was shot at the border.

 

Feel free to provide your version of events with evidence of course

[dexterm]

14 minutes ago, BestB said:

 

Well that makes perfect sense, since there is no school on Friday in Gaza then what a better place to spend the time but at the border with Israel throwing stones and grenades.

 

All makes perfect sense,Its the IDF who are bad, not the ones attacking them.

Well the attackers certainly seem to have done a very poor job. Almost 140 killed including children, paraplegics, medics and journalists, with over 15,000 injured.

 

Miraculously the IDF have survived this onslaught without even a scratch.

 

Here is another instance of the ability of Israeli apologists to call black white. Typical of the entire Israeli hoax..portraying themselves as the victims when they are in fact the invaders, colonists, occupiers, aggressors and in this instance cold blooded murderers.

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[BestB]

Just now, dexterm said:

Well the attackers certainly seem to have done a very poor job. Almost 140 killed including children, paraplegics, medics and journalists, with over 15,000 injured.

 

Miraculously the IDF have survived this onslaught without even a scratch.

 

Here is another instance of the ability of Israeli apologists to call black white. Typical of the entire Israeli hoax..portraying themselves as the victims when they are in fact the invaders, colonists, occupiers, aggressors and in this instance cold blooded murderers.

So its ok to attack because they are doing a poor job? And its bad victors for gaining an upper hand on attackers?

 

But tell me again how does that justify or explain what 14 year old was doing at the border within firing range?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Interesting to note the very same parents were not overly concerned for the 14 year old when they allowed him to be in the front lines instead of back home studying.

 

is it possible the very same concerned parents were there also and encouraged the youngster while being fully aware of the possible consequences?

Your first sentence:

 

“Interesting to note the very same parents were not overly concerned for the 14 year old when they allowed him to be in the front lines instead of back home studying.”

 

Where is your evidence the parents ‘allowed’ him to go to the ‘front lines’.

 

Where is your evidence they even knew he’d gone to the ‘front lines’.

 

Whithout first providing evidence of these two claims your claim that the ‘parents were not overly concerned’ has no foundation

 

Without providing the evidence the whole of your first sentence is conjecture.

 

Your second sentence:

 

“is it possible the very same concerned parents were there also and encouraged the youngster while being fully aware of the possible consequences?”

 

Well of course it’s possible but without evidence to back up your hypothesis, it remains pure conjecture.

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[BestB]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your first sentence:

 

“Interesting to note the very same parents were not overly concerned for the 14 year old when they allowed him to be in the front lines instead of back home studying.”

 

Where is your evidence the parents ‘allowed’ him to go to the ‘front lines’.

 

Where is your evidence they even knew he’d gone to the ‘front lines’.

Whithout first providing evidence of these two claims your claim that the ‘percents were not overly concerned’ has no foundation

Without providing the evidence the whole of your first sentence is conjecture.

 

Your second sentence:

 

“is it possible the very same concerned parents were there also and encouraged the youngster while being fully aware of the possible consequences?”

 

Well of course it’s possible but without evidence to back up your hypothesis, it remains pure conjecture.

Its a good thing, this post is NOT pure conjecture,

 

But where is your evidence to show otherwise?

 

And even assuming your opinion to be as a fact, how does that excuse or justify bad parenting?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, BestB said:

Its a good thing, this post is NOT pure conjecture,

 

But where is your evidence to show otherwise?

 

And even assuming your opinion to be as a fact, how does that excuse or justify bad parenting?

More conjecture regarding bad parenting (because you have no evidence of bad parenting) but with the glimmer of hope there might be some evidence.... although it seems you forgot where you lost it.

 

Go read up on ‘conjecture’.

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More conjecture regarding bad parenting (because you have no evidence of bad parenting) but with the glimmer of hope there might be some evidence.... although it seems you forgot where you lost it.

 

Go read up on ‘conjecture’.

Feel free to offer your version of events with evidence instead of telling me what to do

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[BestB]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More conjecture regarding bad parenting (because you have no evidence of bad parenting) but with the glimmer of hope there might be some evidence.... although it seems you forgot where you lost it.

 

Go read up on ‘conjecture’.

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[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, BestB said:

Feel free to offer your version of events with evidence instead of telling me what to do

Israeli security forces shot and killed a 14 year old boy who was amongst ‘protesters/rioters’.

 

The circumstances of this child’s killing deserve a transparent, open investigation and report.

 

[Morch]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course it is when there is no evidence to back up each of the statements you made. 

 

A child had been killed, if you make a statement about the killing provide evidence to back it up.

 

You don't seem so bent on getting "evidence" for such claims made by wannabe pro-Palestinian posters.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Well, if one wasn't playing obtuse to the fact that Hamas exploiting such deaths to further its own goals and political survival, one would term the casualty list a Hamas "win". All the more odd coming from someone milking the very same casualty list for every bit of PR worth. Guess that urging people on, despite knowing the risks involved is not "cold blooded", nor as vile - in your "humanist" eyes.

 

Here's the thing with your adopted narrative - it fails to address the role of Hamas (or indeed, Palestinian leadership) in this. If one wished to take it a step further, the whole thing would be quite an indictment of Palestinian society's woes.

 

But such musing aren't for the likes of those who refrain from anything which might cast the Palestinian side in a less than perfect light. Do go on about "apologists", though - by all means. Comedy gold.

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[Morch]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your first sentence:

 

“Interesting to note the very same parents were not overly concerned for the 14 year old when they allowed him to be in the front lines instead of back home studying.”

 

Where is your evidence the parents ‘allowed’ him to go to the ‘front lines’.

 

Where is your evidence they even knew he’d gone to the ‘front lines’.

 

Whithout first providing evidence of these two claims your claim that the ‘parents were not overly concerned’ has no foundation

 

Without providing the evidence the whole of your first sentence is conjecture.

 

Your second sentence:

 

“is it possible the very same concerned parents were there also and encouraged the youngster while being fully aware of the possible consequences?”

 

Well of course it’s possible but without evidence to back up your hypothesis, it remains pure conjecture.

 

Do you often engage in such minute deconstruction of similar arguments when they are issued from the other side of the divide? Yeah...thought so.

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[Morch]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Israeli security forces shot and killed a 14 year old boy who was amongst ‘protesters/rioters’.

 

The circumstances of this child’s killing deserve a transparent, open investigation and report.

 

 

And we do no need to wonder or worry our little heads as to what he was doing there, or who was responsible. The so-called "open investigation" doesn't seem to cover this bit. Nor is it made clear if such "open investigations" are the norm, circumstances and conditions being what they are. But again, for some posters this being more about driving home one liner slogans then a meaningful discussion - fully expected.

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[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You don't seem so bent on getting "evidence" for such claims made by wannabe pro-Palestinian posters.

The subject under discussion is the Israeli killings of Palestinians.

 

Certainly though, I do believe a transparent, open investigation and report is the right answer to gettin to the truth.

[BestB]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Israeli security forces shot and killed a 14 year old boy who was amongst ‘protesters/rioters’.

 

The circumstances of this child’s killing deserve a transparent, open investigation and report.

 

I see, so the circumstances how and why this child was at the front of war zone are irrelevant? and just to clarify where you making emphasize, the fact that it was a 14 year boy or the fact that someone was shot while attacking the border?

 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The subject under discussion is the Israeli killings of Palestinians.

 

Certainly though, I do believe a transparent, open investigation and report is the right answer to gettin to the truth.

 

More deflections, more one liner slogans.

No investigation called for with regard to what the young Palestinian was doing out there. No accountability implied with regard to to either parents or relevant Palestinian authorities. Your calls for "open investigation" seem to be as one sided as usual. Not so much about "the truth", but about "a truth" supporting the narrative pushed.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, BestB said:

I see, so the circumstances how and why this child was at the front of war zone are irrelevant? and just to clarify where you making emphasize, the fact that it was a 14 year boy or the fact that someone was shot while attacking the border?

 

They are not matters for conjecture.

 

[BestB]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They are not matters for conjecture.

 

of course because once again it does not fit into your agenda.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

More deflections, more one liner slogans.

No investigation called for with regard to what the young Palestinian was doing out there. No accountability implied with regard to to either parents or relevant Palestinian authorities. Your calls for "open investigation" seem to be as one sided as usual. Not so much about "the truth", but about "a truth" supporting the narrative pushed.

Can you direct me to where I stated the transparent, open investigation and report I believe is essential should exclude any of these issues you mention?

 

In your own time.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, BestB said:

of course because once again it does not fit into your agenda.

Putting aside these references to some agenda:

 

The issue at hand is the killing and injury of human beings, including a 14 year old boy.

 

Conjecture has no proper place in explaining the killing human beings, let alone the killing of  a 14 year old child.

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you direct me to where I stated the transparent, open investigation and report I believe is essential should exclude any of these issues you mention?

 

In your own time.

 

Could you direct me to a single instance in which you referenced Hamas (or indeed, any Palestinian) as being a side to this supposed "open investigation"? So far all of your comments reference Israel or Israeli investigation. Nothing that I can see mentioned anything about an "open investigation" to be carried out by Hamas or calls for such.

 

Granted, expecting such from someone who preempts any reference to Palestinian accountability in this matter as "pure conjecture" is futile.

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