Chiang Rai: Rescuers make progress on day seven

[Mooner]

14 minutes ago, madusa said:

Why is he going on his own to look for entrances in the opposite direction. Going the opposite direction may be a good idea but on his own(why?) Why is he going on his own? Sounds strange to me.

Probably to get away from the Mai dai's. Hindering his progress.

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

And you know this how exactly?

 

Are you on the site co-ordinating things, perhaps you have special information about the area or just want to add to your post count?

TBH , I was being sarcastic, that was one of the first things that they considered

[DefaultName]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Have the SEALS reached the kids ? No

What is the reason for that ? The waters in the way 

That is why they are trying to drain the water

If this was open water, I'd back the seals every time.  In a cave the UK cave rescue are the experts - especially as they know this particular cave well.  IMO, more importance should be given to their opinion.

[InfinityandBeyond]

4 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Another one lol

Go on great oracle, what is this "miracle" you speak of that has occurred and that the rest of us unlightened are not aware of? 

Are you privy to facts the rest of the nation, media and foreign expert volunteers at the site are not? 

We implore you! Enlighten us great one! 

[jenny2017]

17 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

That is just garbage. The rescue teams can 'handle it down there' and they are doing exactly that. The people working inside that cave are extremely skilled and knowledgeable people. They are working through the system, moving the forward base further in to the cave. They are at last report I read set up with electricity and lighting in an air chamber with embankment circa 1,000 meters away from where the main chamber of the cave is located and where they are most likely to find the kids if they have not been flushed through the system by flood water. Food, and further air supplies are being brought through to the new forward base and then they can move forward further. It's slow, it's difficult, and it's very dangerous, but these people are doing it, and if these kids have managed to strand themselves in the main chamber, and the air supply is sufficient, and it hasn't topped out with water, then there is every chance in the world that these kids can still be brought out of that cave alive.

Nobody can work longer than a few hours, right? Why do I get the feeling that communication between the Thai army, the cops, and the foreign rescue teams isn't working well? I've seen a Chinese rescue worker, eventually a helicopter pilot today and he didn't seem to understand what others were talking about.

Shouldn't they be divided into teams and each team needs time to sleep, eat and relax, having the right specialists to be able to make the right decisions, without interference from people who think they know it better? 

  I'd call that a chaos, to be honest. And we all know the Thais' English skills, don't we? 

Edited June 30, 2018 by jenny2017

[Julie H]

Can someone post a map of the cave and target area so i can show you guys the area Vern Unsworth is looking to gain access to 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, DefaultName said:

If this was open water, I'd back the seals every time.  In a cave the UK cave rescue are the experts - especially as they know this particular cave well.  IMO, more importance should be given to their opinion.

The Worlds top cave diver from the UK is there and he couldnt get through .

The US SEALS are there and they cannot get through .

Just need to realise that it is impossible to get through

[Media1]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The Worlds top cave diver from the UK is there and he couldnt get through .

The US SEALS are there and they cannot get through .

Just need to realise that it is impossible to get through

lol

[Fish Head Soup]

1 minute ago, jenny2017 said:

Nobody can work longer than a few hours, right? Why do I get the feeling that communication between the Thai army, the cops, and the foreign rescue teams isn't working well? I've seen a Chinese rescue worker, eventually a helicopter pilot today and he didn't seem to understand what others were talking about.

Shouldn't they be divided into teams and each time needs the right specialists to be able to make the right decisions, without interference from people who think they know it better? 

  I'd call that a chaos, to be honest. And we all know the Thais' English skills, don't we? 

The Thai divers, Lao cave rescue team and other foreign experts are probably working well together inside the cave. They are moving forward, and they are moving their equipment forward with them.

 

What they definitely need to do is keep negative people away from inside the cave, away from the mountain if possible. Negative people are toxic to an operation like this.

[InfinityandBeyond]

1 minute ago, Media1 said:

No need to entertain trolls. Please go find someone else to harass

Why do you keep talking to yourself? You have claimed there was a "miracle." 

I don't think enquiring as to what that "miracle" is constitutes harrassment. 

You made the original claim. Myself and other posters whom you have brushed off as stupid are just curious. Not harrassing you. Just tell the world, what is the "miracle?"

[chickenslegs]

23 minutes ago, Ks45672 said:

He's the UK guy? Who said on thai TV yesterday the next 24hrs is probably the last chance of finding survivors...... 

 

He did not say that.

When asked about the chances of survival, he spoke about it being 5 days into the operation and water levels rising, then ....

Quote "I think we'll know within the next 24 hours".

He also said that the temperature wasn't a problem, but the water would be cold.

Since then water levels have been going down due to pumping - and news is reporting less rain or no rain recently.

 

Link if you want to hear it again - https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1045468-bbc-interview-with-british-cave-expert-in-chiang-rai/

[Julie H]

Here is a second interview with Vern Unsworth 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/viral/british-cave-explorer-joins-search-for-missing-thai-soccer-team/vp-AAzgWek

[madusa]

7 minutes ago, Julie H said:

Vern Unsworth also said that once you turn right at the fork there is a 750 meter crawl which then opens up into very large chamber. I believe this is the chamber he is trying to reach 

Why didn't he notify the authority of his extensive knowledge of the cave at the beginning of the search?

Nobody wants to listen to him?(likelihood) Now it's really late in every sense of the word.

You will have real problem if good people does nothing while foolish people going around trying to show they are capable. You listen to me I am in charge here kind of attitude.

[Julie H]

1 minute ago, madusa said:

Why didn't he notify the authority of his extensive knowledge of the cave at the beginning of the search?

Nobody wants to listen to him?(likelihood) Now it's really late in every sense of the word.

You will have real problem if good people does nothing while foolish people going around trying to show they are capable. You listen to me I am in charge here kind of attitude.

Vern Unsworth who lives in Chiang Rai was on the scene first light Sunday morning, less than 18 hours after the cave became flooded. He was contacted by local police because of his experience in this cave 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Because someone made some stupid comments about workpermit. Maybe we can continue that discussion as soon as the workpermits of the volunteers here have been checked, and now continue with the boys in the cave.

 

It would be nice to stay on topic and go to go back a few years to something completely different.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

Slim to nothing. 

What if they are not at pattaya beach? 

Then what? 

Then you keep on exploring until you find them.

 

That isn't rocket science.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, jenny2017 said:

Looking at the "speed" the rescuers are moving, it's almost impossible that the poor souls could get away from the steadily rising water levels. 

 

If you are not there and you don't have the experience, why comment so negatively?

 

How many of the rescue team are you willing to sacrifice for "speed".

[Russell17au]

25 minutes ago, madusa said:

Why didn't he notify the authority of his extensive knowledge of the cave at the beginning of the search?

Nobody wants to listen to him?(likelihood) Now it's really late in every sense of the word.

You will have real problem if good people does nothing while foolish people going around trying to show they are capable. You listen to me I am in charge here kind of attitude.

The authorities know him and they contacted him on Sunday morning. So now there are 3 experts there from the UK that were contacted on Sunday morning and arrived on Wednesday night and there is also Vern Unsworth but no one has had any success in finding these boys yet, so everyone has split into groups and are all trying to find ways of accessing the area where they think the boys are

[billd766]

1 hour ago, madusa said:

Why is he going on his own to look for entrances in the opposite direction. Going the opposite direction may be a good idea but on his own(why?) Why is he going on his own? Sounds strange to me.

 

Send him an email and ask him. Nobody on TVF will know but the "experts" will give their highly overvalued and useless opinion.

[khunPer]

My lovely girlfriend just said that she learned from Thai news, that the rescue teams has heard the kids in the cave, and will not wait for the water level to lower further, but continue to where the kids are, as it very close to the divers.

 

Has anybody else heard something like that; i.e. can verify..?

[billd766]

50 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Nobody can work longer than a few hours, right? Why do I get the feeling that communication between the Thai army, the cops, and the foreign rescue teams isn't working well? I've seen a Chinese rescue worker, eventually a helicopter pilot today and he didn't seem to understand what others were talking about.

Shouldn't they be divided into teams and each team needs time to sleep, eat and relax, having the right specialists to be able to make the right decisions, without interference from people who think they know it better? 

  I'd call that a chaos, to be honest. And we all know the Thais' English skills, don't we? 

 

No we don't. Unless you are on the site and talking to individuals you don't either.

[stevenl]

Just now, khunPer said:

My lovely girlfriend just said that she learned from Thai news, that the rescue teams has heard the kids in the cave, and will not wait for the water level to lower further, but continue to where the kids are, as it very close to the divers.

 

Has anybody else heard something like that; i.e. can verify..?

Let's hope this is true.

[InfinityandBeyond]

As I sign off for the evening, safe, well fed and surrounded by love, my thoughts are with the team and their loved ones as they go through hell. 

Also, much respect to all those risking their lives and sacrificing time with their own families to re-unite these children with their families.

[jenny2017]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

No we don't. Unless you are on the site and talking to individuals you don't either.

I'm only hoping that all the people who give all will finally be successful in finding the kids. 

Edited June 30, 2018 by jenny2017

[billd766]

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

Yes we do. In general, the English language skills, even of those Thais who profess to be fluent in English are extremely poor, and the general communication skills are poor beyond even that.

 

In general you say.

 

But you have no idea in reality so you push the Thais can't speak English line and denigrate Thais once again.

 

Read and try to understand post #331.

Edited June 30, 2018 by billd766
added extra text

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, KiwiKiwi said:

Yes we do. In general, the English language skills, even of those Thais who profess to be fluent in English are extremely poor, and the general communication skills are poor beyond even that.

Thanks for proving my point a few posts earlier.

[jenny2017]

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

Yes we do. In general, the English language skills, even of those Thais who profess to be fluent in English are extremely poor, and the general communication skills are poor beyond even that.

Then add some Chinese rescuers and the chaos is perfect. 

[JAZZDOG]

11 minutes ago, khunPer said:

My lovely girlfriend just said that she learned from Thai news, that the rescue teams has heard the kids in the cave, and will not wait for the water level to lower further, but continue to where the kids are, as it very close to the divers.

 

Has anybody else heard something like that; i.e. can verify..?

video source?

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

 

In general you say.

 

But you have no idea in reality so you push the Thais can't speak English line and denigrate Thais once again.

My apologies for having started it. It was about communicative problems and it would be a miracle if exactly those who know the area well enough and are good rescuers are efficient enough to communicate with the Brits and Americans, or any other English speaking teams who might be on the site now. 

 

And if translators are needed who don't wanna lose face, you've got a situation where some rescuers might not feel comfortable. It was in no way a Thai bashing post, I love Thais and the country a lot. Otherwise, I wouldn't live here. 

[jenny2017]

2 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

video source?

It's not true, just some wrong Facebook messages. The kids were not found yet.