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[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Struggled abit with car lumps too ( aside the mighty XK Jag 6 cyl ) the Lotus twin cam of the 60's ( Lotus Cortina ) and later Ford double knocker ( Mk1 RS1600 ) were both high maintenance and the Ford in particular suffered oil leaks and heavy consumption that required removal to sort out .. And the 2.2 DOHC that went in the late 70's Lotus Sunbeam was renowned for valves kissing pistons at high revs so that weren't much better .. No surprise coming from Italy that the Fiat twin cam of the 60's on and available in numerous capacities became a sort out engine to be fitted in Fords for those who wanted the twin cam look and howl of the Ford lump but without having to take the head off once a month to rebuild it .. And the Fiat had a far better 5 speed box to go with it .. Unlike the sh*tty 4 speed cast iron Ford job ( quick shift or not t'was sh*t ) ..

In a previous life, i nearly, nearly, nearly bought a Moggy (Morris Minor 1000) pick up van to customize and fit a 5 speed Fiat twin cam motor in (the rage back then). Even bought a couple of custom car magazines with said featured articles. If a finished one had come on the market i may have bought it.......

Then i came to my senses.

And woke up..........

[kickstart]

A reverse head Triumph apparently no need to swap the cams over just change the timing, use to burn out exhaust valves, Gussi would know, use to be done on drag bikes,a ram air effect,

Have seen one a weird looking thing  

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

In a previous life, i nearly, nearly, nearly bought a Moggy (Morris Minor 1000) pick up van to customize and fit a 5 speed Fiat twin cam motor in (the rage back then). Even bought a couple of custom car magazines with said featured articles. If a finished one had come on the market i may have bought it.......

Then i came to my senses.

And woke up..........

Hahaha yea Moggy Thou' with a Fiat twin cam and box was a fave' swap .. And a few forgot to change the rear diff' so wheelspin in 3rd in the wet was order of the day .. By virtue of my job of fixing trucks I had to do all the license's and have pretty much the full hand so have no shame about driving something with more than 2 wheels ( I'll even own up to driving a mates Reliant Robin though that must rank in the top 3 of the worst things I've ridden driven ) .. I dig anything with an engine Bike's , Cars , Truck's , Trains , Planes you name it if its got an engine be it piston , rotary , gas turbine I'll be interested .. Personally one of my faves and one of the maddest engine's ever is the Mazda 4 rotor used in their Le-Mans winner '91 .. 700 hp from 2.6 litre and a noise somewhere between a Honda 6 at 18000 rpm and a Jet Fighter on takeoff ..

And it did it for 24 hrs at bonkers rev's .. 

 

[DILLIGAD]

In a previous life, i nearly, nearly, nearly bought a Moggy (Morris Minor 1000) pick up van to customize and fit a 5 speed Fiat twin cam motor in (the rage back then). Even bought a couple of custom car magazines with said featured articles. If a finished one had come on the market i may have bought it.......
Then i came to my senses.
And woke up..........

I used to dream about getting hold of a RS3.2 Capri, but made do with a lowly 2 Litre GT because of a D&D ban when I was 21 (which I blame Gary Newman’s fiancé for (long sordid story)!!!!!


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[Justgrazing]

Top end of a Merlin showing bevel shaft drive to camshaft which then drives both rocker shafts .. And Cyl head business side .. Its easy to see that to have had a proper hemi chamber would have increased the width of the cam housing significantly so it was kept a flat but quite deeply recessed affair to accommodate 4 valves .. And a pair of pistons on rod .. It is said some Spitfires shipped to Russia to help 'em during WW2 had to have pistons changed due to preignition of the sh*t grade fuel they were being flown on .. Not a job you'd wanna do out in the field I should imagine .. 

[Justgrazing]

Suzy TS400 trailer .. Bit like the DT400 a real ripper off road but crippling fuel consumption ..

DT175 another cool bike from 70's .. Not bad off road ( rear shock upgrade needed for anything more than kerb height though ) but better just for pootling about on ..

XT600 .. Indestructo single .. Had one of these that I used as 80 mile a day commuter .. bit tingly at high speed ( you know the feeling , numb 'nads when you get off ) but never missed a beat .. Bit heavy off road especially with standard rims and not helped by a weak rear shock but a classic Japanese trailer .. Until some thieving toad had mine away one night .. 

[thaiguzzi]

4 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

And a pair of pistons on rod .

Gotta get the Kleenex. Just shot me load accidentally.

That pic IS PORN.

2 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Suzy TS400 trailer .. Bit like the DT400 a real ripper off road but crippling fuel consumption ..

DT175 another cool bike from 70's ..

Note the difference in header design or rather where the factory placed them.

Yamaha correctly up & over, Suzuki very naffly straight down & under like a street bike and then the "pretend" high level silencer. Hit that baby on a rock...........

On 12/9/2018 at 8:56 PM, kickstart said:

A reverse head Triumph apparently no need to swap the cams over just change the timing,

Will work, yes,  especially with soft touring cams, but anything remotely sporty would need & want different lift & duration Inlet & Exhaust cams.

That was the beauty with the Triumph twin design, 2 seperate cams, and why the Yanks loved this engine so much, above all others.

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Gotta get the Kleenex. Just shot me load accidentally.

That pic IS PORN.

Check out the crank offa Merlin .. Made in Sheffield from high grade nickel chrome steel look how much machining went into turning it from a solid blank in the bottom of pic 2 to the finished article above .. The big end and main's journals have been machined out for lightness and balance but that takes a considerable amount of machining over the amount needed for lesser crankshafts .. And how 'ard is one ? The bottom shot is one out of a crashed Hurricane and while its proper bent up it hasn't broken or snapped .. Rule Brittania ???????? .. 

 

[Justgrazing]

Never really bit on late 70's Yammy 4 strokes the XS650 aside but the mid 80's FZ750 signalled Yam' as a serious 4S player .. And is one of the few 80's bikes with a bit of bodywork you can get along with as they chose to keep the engine on show .. Bit of a revver admittedly but the 5 valve set up was groundbreaking for the day and showed Yamaha could cut it against the others and if you've ever seen the top of a Audi 20 valver car lump the Audi design is a dead ringer for Yamaha's aside from the location of the cam' drive ( Audi's on the end Yam's t'wixt 2 and 3 ) .. 

 

[DJ54]

On 11/30/2018 at 6:17 PM, camble said:

Harley-Davidson at Thailand International Auto Expo, Imact Challenger

 

Kinda got some ugly ones...and I like Harley’s but not these....

[Justgrazing]

Seen an hour long prog' by Henry Cole 'bout history of Triumph .. Some good stuff in there like how much of production went USA and how 'kin must have they became .. Anyone who was someone had to have a Trumpet .. Thats what I call dumping in Harley's own front garden never mind their backyard .. 

1938 Speed Twin ..

1958 Bonneville ..

Both featured heavily and both are stunning especially the maroon Speed Twin .. 

and by all accounts the light blue/orange of the Bonn' was/is the most sought after colour scheme .. Over to our Guzz' for clarification on that one .. 

 

[thaiguzzi]

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Seen an hour long prog' by Henry Cole 'bout history of Triumph .. Some good stuff in there like how much of production went USA and how 'kin must have they became .. Anyone who was someone had to have a Trumpet .. Thats what I call dumping in Harley's own front garden never mind their backyard .. 

1938 Speed Twin ..

Indeed. More than any other non US bike, the Yanks just loved Triumph. Always have, always will.

The Speed Twin (Amaranth Red colour actually) more than possibly any other mass produced bike, until the CB750 came along, at least, 30 years later, completely changed the face of motorcycling. Here was a twin , which was not much wider than a single, looked like a single and performed like nothing else available to the average punter at that time. Reliable, fast, and just as easy to work on as a single, it revolutionized motorcycling forever, and had a head start on every other manufacturer due to WW II, who HAD to have a twin post war or die.

And none of them ever looked anywhere near as good.

Nobody made a parallel twin which looked that good including into the 50's with swing arm frames. Triumph just had that style.

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

1958 Bonneville ..

Sorry incorrect.

'59 was the 1st year.

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

and by all accounts the light blue/orange of the Bonn' was/is the most sought after colour scheme .. Over to our Guzz' for clarification on that one .. 

Called Tangerine.

The Blue was wonderful too.

Edward Turner and his "pencil" the stylist Jack Wickes, always designed pretty bikes, and used unique at the time bright two tone paintwork. Turner was greatly influenced by what he saw on his annual trips to the States.

The 59, the first year of the legendary T120 Bonneville was unique in being the only year fitted with that "Touring" nacelle headlamp & shroud.

Thereafter, 60 onwards every Bonnie ever made had a seperate headlamp.

 

E D W A R D       T U R N E R        W A S       G O D.

[SpaceKadet]

Harley VR-1000. A concept sadly killed by the lack of HD management support. Fortunately, the engine survived, and with the help of Porsche to make it street ready, was put in VRSC models some 10 years later. Great drag strip engine. Unfortunately VRSC was killed by HD just recently.... only the "Indian" version survived...

 

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Indeed. More than any other non US bike, the Yanks just loved Triumph. Always have, always will.

The Speed Twin (Amaranth Red colour actually) more than possibly any other mass produced bike, until the CB750 came along, at least, 30 years later, completely changed the face of motorcycling. Here was a twin , which was not much wider than a single, looked like a single and performed like nothing else available to the average punter at that time. Reliable, fast, and just as easy to work on as a single, it revolutionized motorcycling forever, and had a head start on every other manufacturer due to WW II, who HAD to have a twin post war or die.

And none of them ever looked anywhere near as good.

Nobody made a parallel twin which looked that good including into the 50's with swing arm frames. Triumph just had that style.

Sorry incorrect.

'59 was the 1st year.

Called Tangerine.

The Blue was wonderful too.

Edward Turner and his "pencil" the stylist Jack Wickes, always designed pretty bikes, and used unique at the time bright two tone paintwork. Turner was greatly influenced by what he saw on his annual trips to the States.

The 59, the first year of the legendary T120 Bonneville was unique in being the only year fitted with that "Touring" nacelle headlamp & shroud.

Thereafter, 60 onwards every Bonnie ever made had a seperate headlamp.

 

E D W A R D       T U R N E R        W A S       G O D.

Indubitably Sir .. I can kinda get why it became so pop' in the States with Americans fed a diet of H D's then this cute Brit' twin dressed in new clothes turns up .. Leave the Budweiser and get some real Brit' ale down ya' .. Yeah there was also some good footage of Steve McQueen with a tab' on the go giving it some on a Trumpet along with Photos of Newman , Dylan , Brando et al all with Triumph's .. The prog' also charted the demise , the buy-out and the Devon versions before the resurrection of the new breed .. And man have you seen how state of the art the new factory is .! Even engine production though assembled by hand are overseen by computer's and robots that don't allow the next stage of build until preceding op' is confirmed by computer .. Top stuff .. The Bonneville photo was tagged  a '58 but internet photo's are a bit inaccurate sometimes .. 

 

The Jubilee Bonneville they are not electric start are they ? And the Bonneville's that were offered with electric foot where was the starter mounted ? I've read that it was mounted behind the engine where the magneto on the earlier models was located .. If that is so did they go over to a form of electronic ignition in the absence of a mag' .. H C has got another similar program on the history of Norton soon so expect some Norton pics soon .. 

[thaiguzzi]

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

The Jubilee Bonneville they are not electric start are they ? And the Bonneville's that were offered with electric foot where was the starter mounted ? I've read that it was mounted behind the engine where the magneto on the earlier models was located .. If that is so did they go over to a form of electronic ignition in the absence of a mag' .. H C has got another similar program on the history of Norton soon so expect some Norton pics soon ..

Jubilee was a '77 T140V with splayed trad carbs.

First thumb start was the '81 T140E (E for emissions), the E, which first appeared late '78 (mine is a '79 T140E).

The Meriden factory actually did a pretty good job of the electric leg conversion.

Yes, situated behind the barrels, the only weak point was the sprag clutch attached to the idler pinion, but otherwise, it was reliable and certainly worked better than the MK 3 Norton Commando version.

Unit construction '63 on did away with a mag and they went twin points till '78. Then electronic (very good) Lucas Rita.

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Steve McQueen with a tab' on the go giving it some on a Trumpet along with Photos of Newman , Dylan , Brando

Yeah, celebs loved Triumph.

9 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Harley VR-1000. A concept sadly killed by the lack of HD management support. Fortunately, the engine survived, and with the help of Porsche to make it street ready, was put in VRSC models some 10 years later. Great drag strip engine. Unfortunately VRSC was killed by HD just recently....

Who'da thunk it?

Dinosaurs - not just the bikes, but the top management.

Not forward thinking at all.

Now with the liquid cooled bikes from Indian, they are finally pulling their heads out of their ar##s (sand) and trying to play catch up.

Getting rid of the V Rod was a huge mistake.

And just as big a mistake was killing off the Buell brand.

After everything Eric Buell had done for that company.

Imbeciles. Numpties.

If they ever go tits up i would have ZERO sympathy. And that comes from a 20th century HD fanboy.

Note i said last century.

IMO they have done nothing but go backwards since the year 1999 (exempting Buell), and i say that from a mechanic's point of view.

[thaiguzzi]

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

The Jubilee Bonneville they are not electric start are they ? And the Bonneville's that were offered with electric foot where was the starter mounted ? I've read that it was mounted behind the engine where the magneto on the earlier models was located .. If that is so did they go over to a form of electronic ignition in the absence of a mag' .. H C has got another similar program on the history of Norton soon so expect some Norton pics soon ..

Jubilee was a '77 T140V with splayed trad carbs.

First thumb start was the '81 T140E (E for emissions), the E, which first appeared late '78 (mine is a '79 T140E).

The Meriden factory actually did a pretty good job of the electric leg conversion.

Yes, situated behind the barrels, the only weak point was the sprag clutch attached to the idler pinion, but otherwise, it was reliable and certainly worked better than the MK 3 Norton Commando version.

Unit construction '63 on did away with a mag and they went twin points till '78. Then electronic (very good) Lucas Rita.

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Steve McQueen with a tab' on the go giving it some on a Trumpet along with Photos of Newman , Dylan , Brando

Yeah, celebs loved Triumph.

9 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Harley VR-1000. A concept sadly killed by the lack of HD management support. Fortunately, the engine survived, and with the help of Porsche to make it street ready, was put in VRSC models some 10 years later. Great drag strip engine. Unfortunately VRSC was killed by HD just recently....

Who'da thunk it?

Dinosaurs - not just the bikes, but the top management.

Not forward thinking at all.

Now with the liquid cooled bikes from Indian, they are finally pulling their heads out of their ar##s (sand) and trying to play catch up.

Getting rid of the V Rod was a huge mistake.

And just as big a mistake was killing off the Buell brand.

After everything Eric Buell had done for that company.

Imbeciles. Numpties.

If they ever go tits up i would have ZERO sympathy. And that comes from a 20th century HD fanboy.

Note i said last century.

IMO they have done nothing but go backwards since the year 1999 (exempting Buell), and i say that from a mechanic's point of view.

[DILLIGAD]

Who'da thunk it?
Dinosaurs - not just the bikes, but the top management.
Not forward thinking at all.
Now with the liquid cooled bikes from Indian, they are finally pulling their heads out of their ar##s (sand) and trying to play catch up.
Getting rid of the V Rod was a huge mistake.
And just as big a mistake was killing off the Buell brand.
After everything Eric Buell had done for that company.
Imbeciles. Numpties.
If they ever go tits up i would have ZERO sympathy. And that comes from a 20th century HD fanboy.
Note i said last century.
IMO they have done nothing but go backwards since the year 1999 (exempting Buell), and i say that from a mechanic's point of view.

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[DILLIGAD]

Who'da thunk it?
Dinosaurs - not just the bikes, but the top management.
Not forward thinking at all.
Now with the liquid cooled bikes from Indian, they are finally pulling their heads out of their ar##s (sand) and trying to play catch up.
Getting rid of the V Rod was a huge mistake.
And just as big a mistake was killing off the Buell brand.
After everything Eric Buell had done for that company.
Imbeciles. Numpties.
If they ever go tits up i would have ZERO sympathy. And that comes from a 20th century HD fanboy.
Note i said last century.
IMO they have done nothing but go backwards since the year 1999 (exempting Buell), and i say that from a mechanic's point of view.

Thought the Bonnie with electric foot was a T140es. My ‘81 T 140e had no such ‘new-fangled’ device



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[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, DILLIGAD said:

Thought the Bonnie with electric foot was a T140es. My ‘81 T 140e had no such ‘new-fangled’ device



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Corectomondo.

T140ES.

Whats an S between friends.....

The E and ES were available at the same time.

Lets be honest, Triumph were pretending to be modern with a thumb start, but a stock 650-750 twin was never exactly difficult to kick over.

The kick start was the ancient thing. The non modern doohickey.

Everything had to have "the new fangled device".

 

[Justgrazing]

Watched H C's prog' on Norton .. 

[Justgrazing]

Double post 

[Justgrazing]

Late 80's Norton aircooled twin rotor .. 

 

[kickstart]

A couple of specials a Dresda Triton and a Harris Laverda, I would go with the Triumph.

Why did the big manufacturers go to the small specialist builders to build frames, and they were winning races too, could they not build a frame of they own, or where the money men saying too expensive to build one-offs.

But success on the race track would have meant more sales in the showroom? 

The guy with the Laverda looks if it is in the front room, must have an understanding wife or now ex-wife.

[thaiguzzi]

11 minutes ago, kickstart said:

Why did the big manufacturers go to the small specialist builders to build frames, and they were winning races too, could they not build a frame of they own, or where the money men saying too expensive to build one-offs.

They did'nt.

Dresda & Harris (different times & periods) built bespoke bikes, or rolling chassis for individual customers or the occasional built up one for sale.

I can't recall Triumph ever asking Dresda to build them a bike.

14 minutes ago, kickstart said:

The guy with the Laverda looks if it is in the front room

Fantastic motorcycle. Looks like a project coming together.

No silencers, no rear brake pedal linkeage, no chain, no carbs, fairing not fixed in the right place etc.

5 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Late 80's Norton aircooled twin rotor .. 

Very fast.

Very reliable.

Very ugly.

Said Norton on the tank.

Thassabout it.

 

'bout time i added a contribution.........

 

 

[thaiguzzi]

Pretty motors......

Lovely P/U 650 Triton, note the long inlet tracts

Original period Redditch trials Bullet - so pretty...

[damascase]

I bought these books in the sixties and they are still on my shelf!

I was interested in anything that was written on motorcycles and road racing, and most of it happened to be in English. Was a great motivator and help to learn the language. 

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, damascase said:

I bought these books in the sixties and they are still on my shelf!

I was interested in anything that was written on motorcycles and road racing, and most of it happened to be in English. Was a great motivator and help to learn the language. 

The book on the left by Phil Irving - "Tuning for Speed" was a bible, and still is today.

I have it on my bookshelf too. Been read and studied many a time.

 

Something a bit different,

Suzuki A100, yeah 98cc.

I think it is wonderful.

[mogandave]

I had a Suki D100 took as collateral for a $50 loan. The guy screwed so I got the bike.

That was good running little bike. A drunk buddy ran it in a ditch in FL and swamped it. Water halfway to the top of the tank.

Pulled it out, stood it up on the back wheel so the water would drain out of the pipe, kicked it three times and it fired right up..

Rode it around the lot until the chain and sprockets were warm out and sold it for $100...

[mogandave]

Oh, and changed the plug...

[Justgrazing]

On 12/14/2018 at 9:03 PM, thaiguzzi said:

Very fast.

Very reliable.

Very ugly.

Said Norton on the tank.

Thassabout it.

Hahaha I thought I might get some offa you for that mate .. Sure the fork gaiters and clocks give it a bit of an MZ look on the front end but apart from that considering it was a limited production run I thought it was not that badly styled .. And the rotary lump has never been a looker particularly when over egged like the RE5 and Van Veen .. Dave Garside who developed the engine did I think the best that could be done with such an odd shape .. Squint hard enough and it just looks like a big 2 stroke .. D G also developed a cooling system for it that went a long way to dealing with one of the major drawbacks of the Rotary that being the unevenness of the rate of expansion of the rotor housing as the comb' chamber side expands more and quicker than the other side with the rotor firing 3 times for one complete revolution and has always been one of the short comings of the concept which is why they should always be allowed to get upto temperature in there own time .. Caning them from cold causes the combustion chamber to expand too quickly reducing the tolerance as the rotor passes which then allows the rotor ( s ) tips to excessively rub against the housing wearing it .. When the motor then cools down the housing contract's the effect being that the tolerance between rotor and housing increases which equates to loss of compression that then makes them harder to start until eventually they won't start at all .. This bike was probably too radical as the rotary has always been an acquired taste especially when horror stories of its reliability in the early years became known but personally I take my hat off to them for having the balls to try and make a comeback with it even if it wasn't a commercial success .. And not forgetting that Hizzy Hislop ( RIP ) gave Norton one of THE great TT wins on a Rotary in '92 .. I would love to be able to get hold of a nice example of a Classic as I'm a big fan of the Rotary engine ( as I'm sure you've guessed anyway ) but they are rare as hens teeth and when one does come on the market it is for stratospheric money usually ( 10k the last time I ever seen one for sale ) .. I've got my tin hat on for any incoming if I haven't convinced you .. yet ..