atyclb Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, 0815 said: 8 hours ago, sawadee1947 said: If you go to a 3rd world country you will get 3rd world safety standard. Not at all ... Only if you book with irrisponsible acting morons. the other option book with responsible morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstuff1957 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 My wife just showed me a video of the boat just as it started sinking. The captain was clearly incompetent! He had the stern of the boat to the waves and was taking on water over the stern. If he had turned the bow toward the wind, he would not have had that problem. It is possible that the boat had so much windage from that overbuilt top deck that the wind forced the bow away, but in that case he could have dropped the anchor. Even if the water was too deep for the anchor to reach the bottom, the drag of the anchor and chain in the water would have helped keep the bow turned into the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 From the photo of the vessel it looks extremely top heavy shallow draft flat or semi v bottom,only suited for protected waters before you hang the captain do you know if he was trying to get the snorklers aboard?was he maneuvering to collect his passengers?with an enherintley unstable vessel the only chance you would have is to get her head up into the wind a tragic story to be sure rip to the lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tug said: From the photo of the vessel it looks extremely top heavy shallow draft flat or semi v bottom,only suited for protected waters before you hang the captain do you know if he was trying to get the snorklers aboard?was he maneuvering to collect his passengers?with an enherintley unstable vessel the only chance you would have is to get her head up into the wind a tragic story to be sure rip to the lost No ... he was already on his way back to Chalong. 6 other boats had the sense to shelter before heading back. Captain made a bad decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 37 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said: My wife just showed me a video of the boat just as it started sinking. The captain was clearly incompetent! He had the stern of the boat to the waves and was taking on water over the stern. If he had turned the bow toward the wind, he would not have had that problem. It is possible that the boat had so much windage from that overbuilt top deck that the wind forced the bow away, but in that case he could have dropped the anchor. Even if the water was too deep for the anchor to reach the bottom, the drag of the anchor and chain in the water would have helped keep the bow turned into the wind. Yes ... I agree. Boat had a high bow. Turn to sea and wind. Boat safe. Looks like for some reason stern took on water (as you say stern to waves but waves not that bad) and bilge pump not work enough. Very poor sea man ship from the video evidence. I comment with 25 years of marine experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavCurtis Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 horrendous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 What would that lesson be please?1)Not to play with weather thinking you can miss a storm by 2 hours 2)have competent captains of boats! 3) strict limits to passengers numbers and checked 4)Oh and money not being the prime consideration when sailing ! Lessons that are unlikely to be learned but forgotten ! Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 There is a good chance for this boat to be under motorized for reasons of economy? And under motorized in the bad weather it does not forgive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, markaoffy said: 1)Not to play with weather thinking you can miss a storm by 2 hours 2)have competent captains of boats! 3) strict limits to passengers numbers and checked 4)Oh and money not being the prime consideration when sailing ! Lessons that are unlikely to be learned but forgotten ! Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1. Forecast didn't indicate this storm 2. Agreed 3. Is limited and checked 4. That is your conclusion, seems based more on your perception than facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, atyclb said: the other option book with responsible morons usually I defend Thailand and how things are done locally, but regarding this, your comment is moronic. As a tourist, you have very little information on who you book with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 9 hours ago, SlyouThai said: because it cost money , and because they dont give a shit about people dying, if they did that would do something about road safety for a start . Kids died trapped in this boat with their parents , nobody will give a shit. meanwhile they gonna build a new phuket airport.... what could go wrong heh ? BATH BATH BATH BATH Include soap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermach Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Something is wrong with this boat , 4/5 meters waves should be peanuts for a boat of that size . would like to know what exactly happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 8 hours ago, LivinginKata said: And there is not much left in the budget after pay all the tea monies and brown letters. We all know Thailand will never really develop while corruption is accepted and thrives at all levels of gov and society. Everyone wants their share of the 'cake'. This "we all know ' comment gets right up my nose. Why are you still here? Assuming you live here or just another would be/ has been commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Corruption costs lives!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 hours ago, manarak said: 4 hours ago, atyclb said: the other option book with responsible morons usually I defend Thailand and how things are done locally, but regarding this, your comment is moronic. As a tourist, you have very little information on who you book with. seems you are defending how things are done locally by calling my comment "moronic" defending how things are done locally hmmm, that sounds real intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, atyclb said: defending how things are done locally hmmm, that sounds real intelligent this forum needs a "dislike" button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I wonder if this makes the Chinese news . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1. Forecast didn't indicate this storm 2. Agreed 3. Is limited and checked 4. That is your conclusion, seems based more on your perception than facts. Perception ? No they are facts! Seems I understood what happened Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, markaoffy said: Perception ? No they are facts! Seems I understood what happened Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Let's just say I disagree with you. Unfortunately with a comment like yours a discussion is not possible, unless you want to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 4:03 AM, ukrules said: The sea in the pictures doesn't look that rough to me. Maybe these photos were taken after 'the storm'. I have to question how sea worthy these vessels are. I have to question the ability of the captains, you can't trust drivers on the roads.. how much training does a sea captain go through? Seems you can't be safe anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I am on a boat to the Racha islands about 3 days a week, and after reading and watching will try to explain what I think happened in lay man's words. To return from Racha to Phuket are 2 ways, straight, after 16km or so open sea keeping Coral island on the right, or after about the same open sea distance keeping Coral island on the left. First option is fastest and offers shelter from the wind coming from the right earlier, but means having the wind and waves more coming from the side. The captain choose the shortest route, the boat being quite high up got pushed left, water/waves entered on the back, pumps couldn't handle it, boat listed and sunk. He should have taken the longer route going more against the waves in stead of from the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just in case this hasn't been posted already (don't have time to scrutinise all 16 pages): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The captain is always the last to leave his sinking ship.Not in Thailand.His boat was overloaded and why didn't he check the shipping forecast before setting sail?Just look at this clip. Surely this weather had been forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, Wilsonandson said: The captain is always the last to leave his sinking ship. Not in Thailand. His boat was overloaded and why didn't he check the shipping forecast before setting sail? Just look at this clip. Surely this weather had been forecast. The boat wasn't overloaded and this weather was not in the forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 The captain is always the last to leave his sinking ship.Not in Thailand.His boat was overloaded and why didn't he check the shipping forecast before setting sail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Let's just say I disagree with you. Unfortunately with a comment like yours a discussion is not possible, unless you want to explain.Explain? Just read the post ! If you disagree,fine! Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I was just trying to work out what was going on in the clip at post 232. Hard to say for sure, but it seems they might have lost one or more overboard and were trying to retrieve them. A small boat had been let out on rope and there appeared to be heads in the water. This would explain the stern into the wind. A crewman, not the captain, was at the helm at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/5/2018 at 10:23 AM, pistachios said: I haven't dived for a while around Phuket but the biggest boat I have ever boarded had about 40 divers max, it seems incredible to host 97 people on a diving boat. How can a boat this size can capsize in those waters? It's not the roaring forties... Is it like an old big fishing boat refurbished and with many decks added that would drastically worsen its stability? The number seems crazily too big but doesn't surprise me. Will wait to see the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 11 hours ago, atyclb said: i say bs. i was surfing most of the day yesterday in phuket. waves and sea not formidable at all 2 meter waves tops breaking at the beach and no freak waves. not nearly enough to rock an old guy on a shortboard. boat either not seaworthy, had serious maintenance flaw, overload and not balanced, captain incompetent. all passengers should have had a properly donned life vest before leaving, no exceptions. If you were surfing at the time that storm hit I presume you're now at the Krabi bus station trying to convince them to give a free ride back to Phuket to an old codger in boardies and carrying a plank. Near my place is a German owned RIB factory build as stolidly as the reputation of the owners nationality. It's survived for many years and countless storms without a problem. This is what happened to the roofing in the wind the other day: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 lets be honest, NO Captain of any boat worth his salt would put his boat stern to, to large waves, that is sheer bad seamanship. NO captain worth his salt would overload his boat. No Government would allow ( unless 3rd world countries ) would allow the changes to any boat which makes it unseaworthy and then give it a license to ply its trade. Sp here we have a catalogue of problems which ended with the sinking of a ship and many deaths. All can be firmly laid at the Captain, owner and even Governments door they ALL compolicit either by lax controls and administration ( not unusual herre0 and by incompetence or just turning the other cheek . Unfortunately here we have seen so many accidents and major problems just swept under the table so no-one loses face , well NOW WE HAVED MULITPLE DEATHS, no amount of Wai-ing or saying sorry will or even paltry compensation will stop the sadness or sorrow. Thai Authorities , the owner and the Captain need to be hung out to dry over this. But will it ever happen...……………………………….NO !! So I have sent this story to ev ery major NEWS OUTLET IN THE UK , SUGGEST OTHERS DO THE SAME TO THEIR COUNTRIES , TO WARN TOURISTS never GO ON A THAI LOCAL BOAT . !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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