“Buddy dive” planned for Tham Luang rescue – news report

 

 

A proposed plan to rescue the “Wild Boars” soccer team trapped in Tham Luang cave could launch as soon as this weekend, according to ABC News. 

 

According to an internal U.S. government report obtained by ABC News, the Royal Thai navy, supported by divers from the United Kingdom, the United States and other nations, has briefed Thai military leadership, the Interior Ministry officials and the provincial governor on a proposed operation to evacuate the 12 boys and their coach from the cave alongside experienced divers, in what is being called a “buddy dive.”

 

It said Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha would be briefed on the proposal today.

 

ABC said despite the risks, the accelerated timeline would take advantage of the children still having high oxygen levels within the cave complex, their relatively good health and also the fact that this would occur before the heavy rains are forecast to hit the region Sunday, which could raise water levels inside the cave and make a rescue mission even more precarious, according to the document.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/buddy-dive-planned-tham-luang-rescue-news-report/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-07-07

It was always going to be a buddy dive i.e. 2 divers one being the boy, but so risky due to panic being highly likely, i just hope they aren't winging it

 

 

Thai media reports rescue mission at Tham Luang set to start

 

Image: Daily News

 

Thai media reports that the mission to rescue the "Wild Boars" football team from the Tham Luang cave will begin within the next few hours.

 

According to Daily News, the mission will begin before 5am on Sunday.

 

A photo posted on the Daily News website also revealed that a large green cover has been placed in front of the entrance to the cave blocking the view inside, potentially suggesting a rescue operation is underway.

 

In the past hour there has also been heavy rain at the cave, further raising the need to starting evacuating the boys.

 

There has not yet been any official confirmation a rescue mission underway or is even due to start. 

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2018-07-07

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

intestinal fortitude

Sounds like a sound plan. These people know what there doing. I think we should have high confidence in them.

15 minutes ago, tifino said:

 

intestinal fortitude

And testicular fortitude 

Not a joking matter, these kids are suffering and their parents can't

be fairing well either.

 

 

 

While I totally understand the sentiment in getting them out, I do hope they are doing the right thing. Even a single death from being hasty is unacceptable. I wish them every success possible and hope the kids are all reunited with their families. To wake up in the morning hearing they are safe would be the most welcome news possible. This is a drama that needs resolution, but of the right kind, given the effort and sacrifice made already.

If they are going to do it tonight it must be because they know the consequences of not doing it are much more serious.  

 

Those poor poor boys, I hope they can be strong for this last push and can be brought out safely. They have the best people on their side.  Hoping for good news soon.

28 minutes ago, pegman said:

Sounds like a sound plan. These people know what there doing. I think we should have high confidence in them.

Agree 

Sounds like a sound plan. These people know what there doing. I think we should have high confidence in them.

Does the thai navy practice much diving in caves or pot holing?

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

54 minutes ago, pegman said:

Sounds like a sound plan. These people know what there doing. I think we should have high confidence in them.

Does the thai navy practice much diving in caves or pot holing?

I'm sure this is all new to them ! But there is at least 7 Expert British Cave divers there plus Im sure others from other nationalities . Good luck they need as what ever option they choose it's fraught with massive danger 

Let's hope when we all wake up tomorrow the news is good ... the whole world is watching.

I'm sure this is all new to them ! But there is at least 7 Expert British Cave divers there plus Im sure others from other nationalities . Good luck they need as what ever option they choose it's fraught with massive danger 

My point is pegmans quote "we should have high confidence in them" under estimates the task at hand. Every boy will be different in terms of panicking. In fact maybe they will be less panicky than adults

 

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

My point is pegmans quote "we should have high confidence in them" under estimates the task at hand. Every boy will be different in terms of panicking. In fact maybe they will be less panicky than adults

 

Yes I'm sure your right but I wonder if in this case there education system might help. We in the western world having been taught to think for themselves would im sure be running through all the various scenarios while the Thai lads won't really know what awaits them . The young Thais that I've met are very simplistic be it lovely . I'm hoping this might help the extraction . The old 'don't think to much ' which I'm sure we've all heard might help them hopefully ..just a thought !

34 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

1 hour ago, pegman said:

Sounds like a sound plan. These people know what there doing. I think we should have high confidence in them.

Does the thai navy practice much diving in caves or pot holing?

I'm not sure, but I do know they're not in this alone. There are world record cave divers there who have tested the extremes of that pursuit. 

19 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

While I totally understand the sentiment in getting them out, I do hope they are doing the right thing. Even a single death from being hasty is unacceptable. I wish them every success possible and hope the kids are all reunited with their families. To wake up in the morning hearing they are safe would be the most welcome news possible. This is a drama that needs resolution, but of the right kind, given the effort and sacrifice made already.

I agree with you,

my only concern is that earlier reports from divers, after just 15mm (today) of rain, said  was like a ;tsunami; rampant through the caverns.   

At least now they have committee that have been meeting over the past 48 hours,,,, 3 hour sessions,  to make a decision to possibly  and say, GET OUT  pull the trigger. Parents and relatives are also involved.  BIG CALL FOR ALL> 

unless a miracle of an  alternate escape. well, options are now limited.   Not sure how much the water will rise throughout the wet season, but experts should be able to see water level marks and assess the probability of this. Oxygen/air/flooding/time.........., I am sure they(committee and parents) are under so much pressure to make the call.

Again and again I am the eternal  optimist. these young blokes are coming out alive, one by one, two by two, they are coming out alive.! Along with their brave rescuers. 

My family and all our community are concerned and prey for a positive outcome. 

Chok De Krup to all.

Our hearts are waiting for you 

Love from Na Mom xxxxxxxxxxxxx

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

It was always going to be a buddy dive i.e. 2 divers one being the boy, but so risky due to panic being highly likely, i just hope they aren't winging it

 

 

I am not an expert in these things,  , and not sure of the Pros and Cons but could the children be sedated to limit the panic danger?

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I am not an expert in these things,  , and not sure of the Pros and Cons but could the children be sedated to limit the panic danger?

No I am a doctor, nor an expert, but a 5/1 mg Diazaphan maybe helpful.  always helps relax muscles and mind..

The meditation lessons the coach has been training the lads, will also be a positive, as they all do have trust and faith in him. 

Cheers  

GBW

 

I am not an expert in these things,  , and not sure of the Pros and Cons but could the children be sedated to limit the panic danger?

Yes sedated but still able to follow instruction. Kids have no fear though so maybe that's the biggest advantage

59 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

My point is pegmans quote "we should have high confidence in them" under estimates the task at hand. Every boy will be different in terms of panicking. In fact maybe they will be less panicky than adults

 

I'm certain that they've already panicked enough, being trapped for two weeks now. Perhaps a great idea to drug them a bit. Only a little dose of Diazepam could be very helpful.

 

   The weather forecast for the next days doesn't look good with thunderstorms and I think it would be very wise to do it now.

 

  Let's all hope that nothing goes wrong and the kids will see their parents in a few hours. It's making me really nervous and I can only assume how these rescuers must feel now. Best of luck to all involved. 

17 minutes ago, GBW said:

No I am a doctor, nor an expert, but a 5/1 mg Diazaphan maybe helpful.  always helps relax muscles and mind..

The meditation lessons the coach has been training the lads, will also be a positive, as they all do have trust and faith in him. 

Cheers  

GBW

 

I'm certain that doctors will take that into consideration. A dosage of max. 5- 7 mg of Diazepam ( Valium) could not do a damage to kids their age. ( That's from my niece, who's a doctor). It wouldn't let them panic and they'd feel relaxed. 

It takes 5-6 hours to get one of them out , unless they plan to bring the whole group out with a buddy instructing each of them . Very risky operation . 

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Does the thai navy practice much diving in caves or pot holing?

According to the Governor expert British divers are leading the rescue effort in the most perilous stretch of the dive.

According to the Governor expert British divers are leading the rescue effort in the most perilous stretch of the dive.

Makes me wonder why one British diver left so quickly, work can't be more important

5 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

According to the Governor expert British divers are leading the rescue effort in the most perilous stretch of the dive.

 

Given the time it takes for the rescue divers to both get in and then exit the cave, I would expect there to be fresh teams of "buddies" for each leg of the journey out. Particularly the water routes. I think they would be too exhausted otherwise.

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

19 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

According to the Governor expert British divers are leading the rescue effort in the most perilous stretch of the dive.

Makes me wonder why one British diver left so quickly, work can't be more important

I believe the British diver that left had a medical exam he had to return for. He is also a septugenarian, which might have some bearing, IDK.

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Makes me wonder why one British diver left so quickly, work can't be more important

He returned to the UK for a medical appointment.

 

 

4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Given the time it takes for the rescue divers to both get in and then exit the cave, I would expect there to be fresh teams of "buddies" for each leg of the journey out. Particularly the water routes. I think they would be too exhausted otherwise. 

Just quoting what is written here; http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/calamity/2018/07/07/boys-should-come-out-today-official/

 

 

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Expert British divers are leading the rescue effort in the last and most perilous stretch of the dive. Narongsak said more experts are coming to reinforce the effort tonight and tomorrow.

 

 

1 minute ago, Fish Head Soup said:

Just quoting what is written here; http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/calamity/2018/07/07/boys-should-come-out-today-official/

 

 

 

 

 

Makes sense.