sweatalot Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Get Real said: Yeah, unfortunately they might. It went very quick when the boys and their coach went in, anyway. I am also curious. ... and concerned (but optimistic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Fingers crossed that if they removed those in the weakest condition yesterday, and the specialist themselves have a better idea of the process, that they may be able to extract the remaining boys today if they are in better condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrag Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, smutcakes said: Fingers crossed that if they removed those in the weakest condition yesterday, and the specialist themselves have a better idea of the process, that they may be able to extract the remaining boys today if they are in better condition. Took weak out first...common sense calls for that....Amazes me the kids Mental Strength and Fortitude... Perseverance CAPTIVATED THE WORLD...these kids...meditation was the key to there endurance...Coach was a monk for 10 years,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, sweatalot said: ... and concerned (but optimistic) Yes concerned was the more suitable word I didn´t find. Thanks! Optimistic! That´s a given one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 The use of the term oxygen was made based on the term used in the article as a correct reference... Its not about his bank account and all about that Elon was not born in outer Space, but he is still the only one of us who has parked his car there which we can assume was a bigger challenge than the ongoing cave issue....…I guess Elon could fit a few oxygen rocket boosters to help maneuver the 1150 kg capsule ( balast, capsule & boy ) through the cave, make it of bendable but rigid metal to get around corners , and install a levitation system to levitate the 1150 kg apparatus during the walking and climbing phases of the extraction - all in time before the whole place floods Yep, piece of cake compared to parking his car in outer space Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Are the 4 rescued boys in good health? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Perfect health I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Interesting to see on Thai PBS how the "logo" Now is changed.Changed from 13 chivitt to13 chivitt,ปลอดภัย Plootdpaj. 13 lives safe (out of risk) Taking the victory in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Are the 4 rescued boys in good health?The Press Conference seemed to imply they were OK but we have had no detailed information. At time of the PC medical assessments were still underway.Channel 3 (Thai PBS) this morning said no info released from the hospital yet. I think they said a ststement was expected but not sure as I was having trouble keeping up. Maybe others who heard it can clarify.There are of course privacy issues so likely any official statements will be in very general terms.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, skippybangkok said: I guess Elon could fit a few oxygen rocket boosters to help maneuver the 1150 kg capsule ( balast, capsule & boy ) through the cave, make it of bendable but rigid metal to get around corners , and install a levitation system to levitate the 1150 kg apparatus during the walking and climbing phases of the extraction - all in time before the whole place floods Yep, piece of cake compared to parking his car in outer space Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I am happy to see that you are just guessing - Yep, a guessing its all there is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 All safe already?? I understand now that from a Thai perspective this just means they are still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Bung said: Care to explain that last line? I guess the authorities are dragging this out then for maximum PR and drama right? yeah right, nothing like a bit of drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Interviews of the local people on Thai PBS is not easy as they struggle with speaking Thai.Probably speaks a Burmese mix in daily life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoho Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Were they able to replenish the air tanks? Sounds like they depleted quite a few of those resources yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedona Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 We then talk about a miscalculation of nearly 70% which should be totally out of question… Media just forward the information chosen for us - it doesnt mean that this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth - rather what can be convinient at the time… I am pretty convinced that they will not be able to rescue all the same way as for the 4 first. We must take into consideration that you have children down to 11 years and as well each of them are different so its normal that from 13 persons it would be just an percentage that normally are mentally prepared for something like this and after 2 weeks in darkness under such conditions which have reduced the healt/mental conditon accordingly then there will be less that will be able to conduct such a journey. I do not say this to have a negativ approach, - rather realistic, but i really hope I am wrong… As mentioned earlier, I am happy that Musk and his team very soon will have their equipment ready as there are a huge probability that it will be needed. Maybe the rain and the oxygen levels in the cave were unexpected complications. I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing save for unexpected circumstances. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedona Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If anyone talks about "oxygen" tanks again I will slit my wrists. In diving, pure oxygen has only a few specialised use cases Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile appThe rest of the world uses "oxygen tanks" as a generic term for those cylinders used in diving. Only divers or people familiar with diving give a rat's butt about the proper terms. Chill out. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Some years ago, the mighty NASA lost a satellite because of a very "stupid basic mistake": a confusion between the metric system and the English system! It is not more ridiculous for an armchair commentator to "assume" that a mistake "could" have been made in the rescue operation, than for another armchair commentator to pretend to "know" that it is impossible that a mistake was made. Nobody "knows" what is really going on, so while it may be unwelcome to make negative "assumptions", it would be more constructive to refute them with solid arguments, rather than with scorn... Until we know the blueprint, all speculations should be considered as equally correct or equally incorrect - positive as negative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedona Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I guess Elon could fit a few oxygen rocket boosters to help maneuver the 1150 kg capsule ( balast, capsule & boy ) through the cave, make it of bendable but rigid metal to get around corners , and install a levitation system to levitate the 1150 kg apparatus during the walking and climbing phases of the extraction - all in time before the whole place floods Yep, piece of cake compared to parking his car in outer space Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]. Bravo! Bravo!That whole Elon Musk circus is ridiculous!Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I was sitting in the barber shop this morning (rural Australia) and the main topic of conversation was the daring rescue underway of the boys and their coach. Eyes lit up! Way to go! Fingers crossed for today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 12 hours ago, ravip said: WOW! They should have made you #1 to coordinate this operation. You sound very knowledgeable and intelligent than any Thai... perhaps, there is a chance for you to be the PM of Thailand to make it a great place for foreigners? Yes very knowledgeable correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, skippybangkok said: If anyone talks about "oxygen" tanks again I will slit my wrists. In diving, pure oxygen has only a few specialised use cases Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I was about to say, go ahead, but that would be unappropiate in a situation like this. However, this is not diving as you know it we are talking about. It´s a high risk rescue mission involving difficult transportation under water that only can be done by the help of experienced professionals. I guess we are going to continue use the label "oxygen tanks", but only if you refrain from stupid threats of using knifes the wrong way for the next 2 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sedona said: Maybe the rain and the oxygen levels in the cave were unexpected complications. I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing save for unexpected circumstances. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I have no doubt about the divers skills when it comes to diving, but the challenges involves far more than that. It still remains 9 persons in the cave to rescue which again means 9 different personalities With 9 different health and mental conditions and its there the real challenge is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, ttrd said: I have no doubt about the divers skills when it comes to diving, but the challenges involves far more than that. It still remains 9 persons in the cave to rescue which again means 9 different personalities With 9 different health and mental conditions and its there the real challenge is... Whatever their mental or health conditions are, I would think it only makes a difference to what order they come out of the cave. And I would expect that the specialist medic or medics assisting will make the best decisions. The only overiding factor is GET THEM OUT SAFELY, ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Some news from the (Thai) grapevine: the 4 rescued yesterday may indeed have been the weakest ones, and that may have included the coach, who was the weakest of them all. Also, at least 3 of them may have shown signs of having been sedated before being evacuated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with the strong in boys who showed no panic in dive training. See how that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Elkski said: How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with sine string boys who showed no panic in dive training. See his that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. Personally i trust the doctors on site and experts to make the correct decisions based on their combined experience and situation on (under) the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elkski said: How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with sine string boys who showed no panic in dive training. See his that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. The weakest ones aren't going to get any stronger and are the most likely to need medical care quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elkski said: How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with sine string boys who showed no panic in dive training. See his that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. It doesn't matter what we think, they have started bringing out the weakest first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Elkski said: How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with sine string boys who showed no panic in dive training. See his that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. Exactly, there are not logic to start with the weakest and as well to remove their coach, the coach should be the last one to leave the cave as he should be considered as their mental beam.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampang2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 How would it be common sense to start with the weakest boys? I think the opposite. Start with the strong in boys who showed no panic in dive training. See how that goes for the practice run. Get them out and full medical evaluation on them to help the doc inside going forward. I don't think the health was deteriorating fast on any one boy. As I understand from news channels they where all sedated.A clever move, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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