57 minutes ago, tebee said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-dominic-raab-theresa-may-a8438346.html

 

OMG! He also said said that UK would make separate deals with each European country!

"Then, in May 2016, the soon to be Brexit secretary explained how, “post-Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else. Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3bn of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1bn fashion exports. Poland its £3bn manufacturing exports.”"

 

6 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The resignations thankfully make that unlikely now. Looks like it will be a, hopefully, very soft Brexit now that the hard-core Brexiters have been side-lined.

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Do you seriously think that the brexit voters (that 'won' the referendum) will just sit back and think 'ok, that's alright then' - as the politicians' promise to enact the referendum result is overturned by politicians?......

16 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Many good points, and I'd add another - the remainers insist that our MPs are far more informed than the rest of us - and yet for some reason think Davis was less informed/intelligent etc. etc......

 

i.e. He didn't support their views....

Davis didn't seem to want to be informed - he seemed to think practical details were beneath him - something for lesser being to sort out.

15 minutes ago, candide said:

OMG! He also said said that UK would make separate deals with each European country!

"Then, in May 2016, the soon to be Brexit secretary explained how, “post-Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else. Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3bn of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1bn fashion exports. Poland its £3bn manufacturing exports.”"

 

Yep - he didn't realize how the EU works did he - somewhat of a failing for a man in his position.....

11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Do you seriously think that the brexit voters (that 'won' the referendum) will just sit back and think 'ok, that's alright then' - as the politicians' promise to enact the referendum result is overturned by politicians?......

I suspect that, in the face of the undeniable Brexit chaos and growing warnings of job losses, most will be relieved that someone has had the sense to bury this madness. 

 

OK a few expats and pensioners that don't actually need a job will continue to rant, but people with children to feed and homes to provide for will see the sense of not throwing the economy off a cliff in the hope that another will come along shortly.

1 hour ago, candide said:

OMG! He also said said that UK would make separate deals with each European country!

"Then, in May 2016, the soon to be Brexit secretary explained how, “post-Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else. Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3bn of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1bn fashion exports. Poland its £3bn manufacturing exports.”"

 

 

50 minutes ago, tebee said:

Yep - he didn't realize how the EU works did he - somewhat of a failing for a man in his position.....

Either he is a total moron, or he knew he lied. In both cases, this is beyond belief!

4 hours ago, tebee said:

He still couldn't have done it within 2 years trade deals take typically 5-10 years to negotiate! 

Those numbers are for the EU (if they're having a good decade).

2 hours ago, candide said:

 

Either he is a total moron, or he knew he lied. In both cases, this is beyond belief!

Maybe he got the idea of lying from J C Juncker who said, 

 

Other than being a pompous buffoon, Jean-Claude Juncker is most famous for his statement “When it becomes serious, you have to lie“.

 

Do you ever criticise your own house, or is everything the fault of the UK?

13 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

Ok if he was so clever why did he  never come up with a workable brexit plan?

He was never in charge of the negotiations, appeaser May has all along listened to another remainer, Oliver Robbins an unelected Bureacrat.

 

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

He was never in charge of the negotiations, appeaser May has all along listened to another remainer, Oliver Robbins an unelected Bureacrat.

 

But that doesn't absolve him from making one as a suggestion - it just seems he was content to let other do all the work.

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

He was never in charge of the negotiations, appeaser May has all along listened to another remainer, Oliver Robbins an unelected Bureacrat.

 

He may be an unelected Bureaucrat, but he's our unelected Bureaucrat....

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect that, in the face of the undeniable Brexit chaos and growing warnings of job losses, most will be relieved that someone has had the sense to bury this madness. 

 

OK a few expats and pensioners that don't actually need a job will continue to rant, but people with children to feed and homes to provide for will see the sense of not throwing the economy off a cliff in the hope that another will come along shortly.

I don’t know where you reside,but you could’t be more wrong. Here in the U.K.

most of the people know they’ve been well and truely screwed by the establishment. Luckily for Appeaser May, most people at the Moment are too involved in the World Cup. Just Waite for the future.

 

 

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

He may be an unelected Bureaucrat, but he's our unelected Bureaucrat....

Are you sure about that. I’m not,and neither do the 17million + British people who voted to leave the hated E.U.

Do you seriously think that the brexit voters (that 'won' the referendum) will just sit back and think 'ok, that's alright then' - as the politicians' promise to enact the referendum result is overturned by politicians?......

Absolutely. Ultimately it will be decided in a General Election and a parliamentary majority will be elected in favour of BINO and, eventually, negotiated terms for re-entering. People always end up voting in the own self-interest.

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I don’t know where you reside,but you could’t be more wrong. Here in the U.K.
most of the people know they’ve been well and truely screwed by the establishment. Luckily for Appeaser May, most people at the Moment are too involved in the World Cup. Just Waite for the future.
 
 

Interesting, I never took yourself to be a vendetta/anonymous fan or using it as an example.

Although I do concur it's long overdue the establishment actually worked for the electorate not just the establishment, Brexit is a test for all.

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1 hour ago, nontabury said:

I don’t know where you reside,but you could’t be more wrong. Here in the U.K.

most of the people know they’ve been well and truely screwed by the establishment. Luckily for Appeaser May, most people at the Moment are too involved in the World Cup. Just Waite for the future.

"Here in the UK..." ........says the Hard Brexit spokesman from his back-garden HQ.

How not to be Brexit secretary: five pieces of advice for Dominic Raab

 

https://theconversation.com/how-not-to-be-brexit-secretary-five-pieces-of-advice-for-dominic-raab-99633

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Maybe he got the idea of lying from J C Juncker who said, 

 

Other than being a pompous buffoon, Jean-Claude Juncker is most famous for his statement “ When it becomes serious, you have to lie“.

 

Do you ever criticise your own house, or is everything the fault of the UK?

I quite agree Junker is a nasty guy. ?

I quite agree Junker is a nasty guy. [emoji6]

And bearing in mind Barnier is seeking to succeed Junker & will do whatever it takes to do it.

Brussels: Power hunger authoritarians, Brexit really has shown the EU’s true dirty colour of politics.


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8 hours ago, citybiker said:

And bearing in mind Barnier is seeking to succeed Junker & will do whatever it takes to do it.

Brussels: Power hunger authoritarians, Brexit really has shown the EU’s true dirty colour of politics.


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 Brexit has shown how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests.

 Brexit has shown how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests.

So the privilege elite failed to convince the younger voters that couldn't be arsed to turn out due to be disconnected from today's politics.

Blame the elite
Blame the old
What next?
Blame, blame, blame.

So no mention the individual electorate taking self responsibility for their own actions with the ability to vote democratically.

Brexit was an open goal option, remainers lost.....deal with it, get over it and move on.


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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Brexit has shown how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests.

No it hasn't. Most leave votes were set years ago. What are our "best interests" are, are obviously AMOI.

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Brexit has shown how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests.

The tories have been doing this for years...

 

But the same argument "how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests" applies to both the leave and remain campaigns.

 

We all know that neither campaign was based on truth, and I've no doubt that most voters realised this - although the younger voters were (IMO) more susceptible to the lies told....

 

Edit - This time they were 'hoist by their own petard' as they thought they could negate UKIP's influence by allowing a referendum - convinced that the result would be remain.  And, let's be honest, if the referendum result was 'remain', there would have been none of this fighting by either politicians or the electorate! 

 

As it turned out, their assumption of a remain vote was proven very wrong, and they have been self-destructing ever since - as the vote didn't go the way they intended....

 Brexit has shown how a bunch of Charlatans within the UK’s privileged elite can convince millions of ordinary Britons to vote against their own best interests.

Er, the problem with this is that all the elites - including business and finance -were fervent Remainers.


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5 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Er, the problem with this is that all the elites - including business and finance -were fervent Remainers.


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The 21 biggest donors to the Brexit campaign

http://uk.businessinsider.com/twenty-one-biggest-donors-to-the-leave-brexit-campaign-2017-5/#21-tessa-keswick-20000-1

Actually, the list isn't complete. Putin isn't on it.

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The 21 biggest donors to the Brexit campaign

http://uk.businessinsider.com/twenty-one-biggest-donors-to-the-leave-brexit-campaign-2017-5/#21-tessa-keswick-20000-1

Actually, the list isn't complete. Putin isn't on it.

Rather proves my point.Most are non unknowns who gave paltry sums.The larger donors are very few and notoriously eccentric.The vast majority of the business/financial establishment was solid Remain.

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The 21 biggest donors to the Brexit campaign

http://uk.businessinsider.com/twenty-one-biggest-donors-to-the-leave-brexit-campaign-2017-5/#21-tessa-keswick-20000-1

Actually, the list isn't complete. Putin isn't on it.

Wow! 25k here, 35k there. Goldman Sachs must have been all aquiver!

14 hours ago, citybiker said:

And bearing in mind Barnier is seeking to succeed Junker & will do whatever it takes to do it.

Brussels: Power hunger authoritarians, Brexit really has shown the EU’s true dirty colour of politics.


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Great post. Anytime anyone lays down some hard home truths, Chomper shows confusion or just laughs it off.

Exclusive: 1922 committee receives 48 letter and May could now face 'Vote of No Confidence'

 

"...multiple high level sources tell Politicalite that the required 48 letters... have been received."

16 hours ago, citybiker said:

And bearing in mind Barnier is seeking to succeed Junker & will do whatever it takes to do it.

Brussels: Power hunger authoritarians, Brexit really has shown the EU’s true dirty colour of politics.


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Barnier is an excellent negotiator, knows all the relevant details, keeps calm and sticks to the rules.

So a very good candidate to take Junkers position in the future.