DEATH ISLAND RIDDLE: Koh Tao mystery deepens as ‘healthy’ dad becomes TENTH Westerner to die in suspicious circumstances

[Kieran00001]

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

Dimiti also wrote a suicide note in French.

If Valentina is dead, which we cannot presume, it is almost certainly from diving.

Christina's Facebook account described the dangerous mixtures of drinks and alcohol she was taking.

Luke believed in yolo- you only live once. Pictures on his facebook showed him living life to the full and dangerously.

 

You claimed that there is not a grain of evidence to suggest murder in any of these cases. 

 

Having your hands tied behind your back when hanged is a grain of evidence to suggest murder, a note can be forced.

 

Going missing is not evidence of murder, I accept that, but it is unusual that she hasn't turned up.

 

Having a head wound and bruises all over your body before drowning in a pool is a grain of evidence to suggest murder, living life to the fullest does nothing to negate that.

 

Christina may have posted on facebook that she had taken Tramadol, but there actually is a grain of evidence to suggest murder that you choose to miss out, and that is that she was with someone the night before she was found dead, and that person didn't leave until the morning, the resort had the CCTV, that is how they know that he stayed the night, but then they lost the footage.

 

Its odd that you choose to gloss over these cases by missing out crucial parts such as the hands being tied, the lost tapes, and the head wound, and instead keep reinforcing your belief that there isn't a grain of evidence, in any Western country there would have been proper investigations, there would have been autopsies, the footage wouldn't have mysteriously gone missing, but here where there things happen you use that to bolster your claim that there was never any evidence.

[les Dennis]

Did the authorities suggest it could be a snake bite before or after seeing the photo ?

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You claimed that there is not a grain of evidence to suggest murder in any of these cases. 

 

Having your hands tied behind your back when hanged is a grain of evidence to suggest murder, a note can be forced.

 

Going missing is not evidence of murder, I accept that, but it is unusual that she hasn't turned up.

 

Having a head wound and bruises all over your body before drowning in a pool is a grain of evidence to suggest murder, living life to the fullest does nothing to negate that.

 

Christina may have posted on facebook that she had taken Tramadol, but there actually is a grain of evidence to suggest murder that you choose to miss out, and that is that she was with someone the night before she was found dead, and that person didn't leave until the morning, the resort had the CCTV, that is how they know that he stayed the night, but then they lost the footage.

 

Its odd that you choose to gloss over these cases by missing out crucial parts such as the hands being tied, the lost tapes, and the head wound, and instead keep reinforcing your belief that there isn't a grain of evidence, in any Western country there would have been proper investigations, there would have been autopsies, the footage wouldn't have mysteriously gone missing, but here where there things happen you use that to bolster your claim that there was never any evidence.

I am not the one claiming 'a bloody roll call of victims' as The Sun is.

Unfortunately suicide by hanging with the hands loosely tied behind the back is not that uncommon. Enclosed a link from Turkey-sad  and gruesome stuff. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24035521_Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

I think it is almost certain Valentina Novozhyonova died drowning. Her mother mentioned her love of freediving. Unfortunately coming from central Russia she had only dived in a swimming pool before going to Koh Tao.

In the last days of her life Christina complained how unwell she was feeling. She was drinking alcohol, quite a lot if I remember her facebook posts right, and mixing pills.

Did Luke Miller dive into the pool from a nearby ledge drunk? There were no witnesses so it is impossible to say.

Parents never want to believe their own child died due to his or her own recklessness. It's perhaps too much to bear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jonmarleesco]

'The father-of-one’s family in Ingolstadt, Germany, said authorities told them he died of “heart failure” or had been “bitten by a snake” ...'

 

They couldn't even work out which? 

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

I am not the one claiming 'a bloody roll call of victims' as The Sun is.

Unfortunately suicide by hanging with the hands loosely tied behind the back is not that uncommon. Enclosed a link from Turkey-sad  and gruesome stuff. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24035521_Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

I think it is almost certain Valentina Novozhyonova died drowning. Her mother mentioned her love of freediving. Unfortunately coming from central Russia she had only dived in a swimming pool before going to Koh Tao.

In the last days of her life Christina complained how unwell she was feeling. She was drinking alcohol, quite a lot if I remember her facebook posts right, and mixing pills.

Did Luke Miller dive into the pool from a nearby ledge drunk? There were no witnesses so it is impossible to say.

Parents never want to believe their own child died due to his or her own recklessness. It's perhaps too much to bear

 

Other potential scenarios do not translate to their being no single grain of evidence to suggest murder, in most countries they would have been investigated and there would have been autopsies, you are happy with facebook posts, which says something about you not the cases.

[bannork]

9 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Other potential scenarios do not translate to their being no single grain of evidence to suggest murder, in most countries they would have been investigated and there would have been autopsies, you are happy with facebook posts, which says something about you not the cases.

All these deaths were gone over in great detail and argued through at the time. 

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

All these deaths were gone over in great detail and argued through at the time. 

 

No they weren't, you made that up. 

 

They made claims about what substance killed one of them without doing a toxicology report, scrolling though someones facebook feed is not going over the case in great detail. 

 

They surmised that another had drowned and put it down to misadventure whilst ignoring that he had bruises all over his body and a head wound, immediately reaching the easiest to solve conclusion is not going over the case in great detail.

 

Another had the CCTV looked at, a man seen entering in the night and leaving in the morning, and then the CCTV footage was lost and no explanation was offered and that was just accepted.  Ignoring the clear tampering of evidence is not going over the case in great detail.

 

 

[maddox41]

I was there in 1995 and 2000 it was fantastic  but now I went back in 2010 and wow its  dangerous.  Such a shame lovely island ruined by greed.  

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, maddox41 said:

I was there in 1995 and 2000 it was fantastic  but now I went back in 2010 and wow its  dangerous.  Such a shame lovely island ruined by greed.  

why dangerous?

 

[bannork]

17 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No they weren't, you made that up. 

 

They made claims about what substance killed one of them without doing a toxicology report, scrolling though someones facebook feed is not going over the case in great detail. 

 

They surmised that another had drowned and put it down to misadventure whilst ignoring that he had bruises all over his body and a head wound, immediately reaching the easiest to solve conclusion is not going over the case in great detail.

 

Another had the CCTV looked at, a man seen entering in the night and leaving in the morning, and then the CCTV footage was lost and no explanation was offered and that was just accepted.  Ignoring the clear tampering of evidence is not going over the case in great detail.

 

 

I meant they were gone over in great detail at the time on Thai Visa at the time.

A man entering the room and leaving in the morning. He could have been a causal lover, a traveller, a Thai or a Burmese worker .Perhaps she had died in the night and he didn't want to get involved.

Were there any injuries to the body? No Was she feeling unwell? Yes. Was she mixing alcohol and drugs? Yes.

 

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

I meant they were gone over in great detail at the time on Thai Visa at the time.

A man entering the room and leaving in the morning. He could have been a causal lover, a traveller, a Thai or a Burmese worker .Perhaps she had died in the night and he didn't want to get involved.

Were there any injuries to the body? No Was she feeling unwell? Yes. Was she mixing alcohol and drugs? Yes.

 

 

Yes, I already made clear that other possible scenarios do not equate to their being not a grain of evidence to suggest murder, the missing tape is the point, not that fact that there was a man in her room, the fact that the CCTV tape with the evidence of the man being in her room mysteriously vanished and the investigation team accepted that and closed the case.

 

[Spectator2020]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/koh-tao-dad-becomes-tenth-12883192

 

The Mirror is carrying the story now.

[bannork]

It is indeed alarming when shadowy figures behind the riddle of 'Death Island' are exposed.

https://imgur.com/RlLp3Vp

https://imgur.com/rag9XyB

https://imgur.com/7Y3p3eY

https://imgur.com/dLbcwUG

[JLCrab]

And  if you read the Samui Times coverage, what is at play here is a rift between the family in Germany and the estranged legal Thai wife, who is also in Germany, and is in control of the legal situation in Thailand.

http://www.samuitimes.com/yet-another-suspicious-death-on-koh-tao-a-k-a-death-island/

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

And  if you read the Samui Times coverage, what is at play here is a rift between the family in Germany and the estranged legal Thai wife, who is also in Germany, and is in control of the legal situation in Thailand.

http://www.samuitimes.com/yet-another-suspicious-death-on-koh-tao-a-k-a-death-island/

Reading the comments below that article, Adam Murphy, a close friend of the owner of Samui Times, comes across as almost deranged. 

[KiChakayan]

13 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

if that was what he was playing with

then not a suprise

No, a successful motorbike rental business, on Koh Tao, would be a lot more deadly than a snake.

[Slip]

Who sounded the shillhorn?  Kieran00001 good to see you have fully appraised yourself of the situation in KT threads despite having joined since the time of maximum infamy on death island. You will be able to spot the main players pretty quickly if you haven't already.

[HooHaa]

12 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Exactly, like an autopsy you could mistake a fatal snake bite for a heart attack!

The two are not mutually exclusive. Most people die from cardiac arrest, what causes it is a different story.

 

[balo]

7 hours ago, frank83628 said:

He had come back to tao during the low season in Koh Pyam, he brought the cobra with him.

He phoned his sister and said the snake had got him, I don't see this written anywhere though,

Where did you get this info from ?  This is easy to verify if his sister comes forward. 

I hate all this tabloid stories . KT is a death island ? Really ? 

Still millions visit every year , even after the murders of 2 Brits.

 

Regarding the other deaths , well it happens , accidents, suicide , alcohol , drugs . 

It happens all over Thailand , not only on KT.  

We have a balcony jumper in Pattaya every month .  

 

 

  

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

10 hours ago, HooHaa said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. Most people die from cardiac arrest, what causes it is a different story.

 

 

Yes, it is the use of the word 'or' that confuses things, but that could be a poor translation or even a misunderstanding on the part of the journalist.

[Kieran00001]

9 hours ago, balo said:

Where did you get this info from ?  This is easy to verify if his sister comes forward. 

I hate all this tabloid stories . KT is a death island ? Really ? 

Still millions visit every year , even after the murders of 2 Brits.

 

Regarding the other deaths , well it happens , accidents, suicide , alcohol , drugs . 

It happens all over Thailand , not only on KT.  

We have a balcony jumper in Pattaya every month .  

 

The deaths may have actually increased numbers, people are drawn to odd things.

[bannork]

Just now, Kieran00001 said:

 

The deaths may have actually increased numbers, people are drawn to odd things.

I believe most people go for the diving and/or party atmosphere. https://www.facebook.com/kohtaopubcrawl/

 

 

[carmine]

19 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

'The father-of-one’s family in Ingolstadt, Germany, said authorities told them he died of “heart failure” or had been “bitten by a snake” ...'

 

They couldn't even work out which? 

 

Yes its quite ludicrous.  No one actually knows what happened but if what has been reported is the case how can anyone post on here that its anywhere near satisfactory!!!

 

 

[JLCrab]

The Samui Times article linked above says:

 

 (when) out of the blue his body was discovered in a house in the jungle near Mae Haad on the 17^th of June.

 

It does not say how long the deceased had been dead before the body was discovered.

[BangkokBaksida]

On 7/10/2018 at 8:52 AM, JLCrab said:

Sure but from the linked 'Sun' article he had already left:

 

Bernd, a wealthy entrepreneur, moved to the island two decades ago, buying two properties and building up a motorbike rental business.

But he left in 2016 after becoming frustrated with the corruption and hostility towards foreign business owners.

He started another business in neighbouring island Koh Phayam before returning in March to "tie up loose ends".

 

And that's when the snake decided to seize the opportunity to bite him.

[JLCrab]

Maybe the snake got tired of being in the guy's selfies and did what snakes do:

[carmine]

3 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

Maybe the snake got tired of being in the guy's selfies and did what snakes do:

Its not a selfie is it!!!  Ever considered that he might have been a very competent snake handler?

 

What is very noticeable is that whilst you always  have the view that none of the deaths are suspicious, which is of course fine, but you seem to blatantly shut out any strong argument to differ!  In short you are not going to accept an argument that contradicts your view no matter what.  So its quite pointless discussing with you.

[JLCrab]

I have yet to hear a reasonable argument so you're rright.

[shillhater]

3 hours ago, carmine said:

Its not a selfie is it!!!  Ever considered that he might have been a very competent snake handler?

 

What is very noticeable is that whilst you always  have the view that none of the deaths are suspicious, which is of course fine, but you seem to blatantly shut out any strong argument to differ!  In short you are not going to accept an argument that contradicts your view no matter what.  So its quite pointless discussing with you.

shills will be shills...so you are right not to discuss with them.

[JLCrab]

Thank you. So let's hear some 'strong argument' that the demise of the late H. Bernd was the result of foul play other than might have could have possibly maybe.