After Trump hails release of Thai kids, netizens ask: what about immigrant children?

[mcambl61]

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Nothing about stopping illegal immigrants, its about locking up their kids.

you mean those illegal immigrants that have no ID and can not prove who their parents are that illegally crossed instead of going to a legal point of entry?

[Kieran00001]

22 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

wow, you are triggered easily

 

No, I am not, but justifying the separation of children from their families does trigger me.

[Kieran00001]

21 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

I will type slower. the UN does not have ANY jurisdiction over US border and immigration, thank god for that. Neither does the ACLU.

 

Fix the laws and loopholes and make sure the border has no easily crossable areas. problem solved. Instead it is used to get votes and make the SJW's cry and shout instead of fixing the problem

 

 

The ACLU can challenge them in court, as they are about to, they can also win, like they will, and then the courts can outlaw their policy, like they are about to, and that is because they do have jurisdiction.

 

As for the UN, I wouldn't expect you to know what universal jurisdiction means.

[Kieran00001]

21 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

you mean those illegal immigrants that have no ID and can not prove who their parents are that illegally crossed instead of going to a legal point of entry?

 

I mean children.  You really are going to hell.

[mcambl61]

10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, I am not, but justifying the separation of children from their families does trigger me.

and does the murder of us citizen children by illegal aliens, does that trigger you?

Does the sexual abuse and human trafficking of those children by the cartel coyotes, does that trigger you?

 

that is what is called selective outrage, it is disingenuous and dishonest

[mcambl61]

11 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The ACLU can challenge them in court, as they are about to, they can also win, like they will, and then the courts can outlaw their policy, like they are about to, and that is because they do have jurisdiction.

 

As for the UN, I wouldn't expect you to know what universal jurisdiction means.

wow, universal jurisdiction? really? is that what you come up with?

 

As far as court cases, perhaps you can look up the Flores 1997 ruling that is at the center of this whole propaganda campaign. Obama decided after some picture were released in 2014 to just turn a blind eye to what they were doing and let in countless people. stop the selective outrage and see everything not just what you want to see

[mcambl61]

14 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I mean children.  You really are going to hell.

hmmm, so now your selective moral outrage gives you the power of god? that is exactly the problem with the lefts ideology, no logic, just a self appointed moral high ground

[quandow]

[Kieran00001]

45 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

and does the murder of us citizen children by illegal aliens, does that trigger you?

Does the sexual abuse and human trafficking of those children by the cartel coyotes, does that trigger you?

 

that is what is called selective outrage, it is disingenuous and dishonest

 

Yes, those things trigger me as well, but not being currently, or in fact ever in my life, confronted by someone seeking justify those things, you will not see me speaking about that here.  Your attempt to divert attention away from the topic is pathetically, we were talking about the separating of children from their families, those things do not provide any justification for that so are completely irrelevant.

[Kieran00001]

42 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

hmmm, so now your selective moral outrage gives you the power of god? that is exactly the problem with the lefts ideology, no logic, just a self appointed moral high ground

 

Sorry, I should have said, according to the bible you are going to hell

[Kieran00001]

47 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

wow, universal jurisdiction? really? is that what you come up with?

 

As far as court cases, perhaps you can look up the Flores 1997 ruling that is at the center of this whole propaganda campaign. Obama decided after some picture were released in 2014 to just turn a blind eye to what they were doing and let in countless people. stop the selective outrage and see everything not just what you want to see

 

Yes, universal jurisdiction, the power for the UN to prosecute the US government for crimes against humanity.

 

I nderstand about the 1997 rulimg that Trump wants to tear up and how instead they have found a way around it to detain children alone instead of following the ruling, not sure what's your point is  there but the 1997 ruling was good and the current government are a shame on the Western world.

 

Why would anyone be outragd at Obama letting people in?  Trump seemed to like it, he certainly gave enough of them jobs!   Selective outrage, you say. Utter hypocrisy on your part, I say.

 

[mcambl61]

12 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Yes, those things trigger me as well, but not being currently, or in fact ever in my life, confronted by someone seeking justify those things, you will not see me speaking about that here.  Your attempt to divert attention away from the topic is pathetically, we were talking about the separating of children from their families, those things do not provide any justification for that so are completely irrelevant.

Actually they are completely relevant, you can choose to pretend they are not. that is selective outrage.

[mcambl61]

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Yes, universal jurisdiction, the power for the UN to prosecute the US government for crimes against humanity.

 

I nderstand about the 1997 rulimg that Trump wants to tear up and how instead they have found a way around it to detain children alone instead of following the ruling, not sure what's your point is  there but the 1997 ruling was good and the current government are a shame on the Western world.

 

Why would anyone be outragd at Obama letting people in?  Trump seemed to like it, he certainly gave enough of them jobs!   Selective outrage, you say. Utter hypocrisy on your part, I say.

 

it is painfully clear you have no idea about the ruling or the fact Obama followed it, did separate children then decided to stop it and release the entire family hoping they would report back. over 80 percent did not, that is termed catch and release, just because the system was too overloaded and the Obama Administration just let it go on regardless of the law.

 

get over the selective outrage, be honest about it and get on with your life

[mcambl61]

16 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Sorry, I should have said, according to the bible you are going to hell

again, that is not for you to decide on, EVER. 

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

again, that is not for you to decide on, EVER. 

 

I can  read, Jesus and his family were refugees who fled to Egypt, the religion is based on the premise of charity and love, I suggest you read it, it will help you.

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

it is painfully clear you have no idea about the ruling or the fact Obama followed it, did separate children then decided to stop it and release the entire family hoping they would report back. over 80 percent did not, that is termed catch and release, just because the system was too overloaded and the Obama Administration just let it go on regardless of the law.

 

get over the selective outrage, be honest about it and get on with your life

 

The ruling prevents the separation of children beyond releasing them to other family members, no outrage necessary, however not following it and keeping children incarcerated is another matter, and the matter we are talking about.  

[mcambl61]

40 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I can  read, Jesus and his family were refugees who fled to Egypt, the religion is based on the premise of charity and love, I suggest you read it, it will help you.

I suggest you get a grip on the meaning and importance of sovereignty and perhaps you can do some research on the most charitable nations and see just who is doing what. We do not need a lecture from any other nation about charity or human rights. best be looking at your own country first.

 

[mcambl61]

55 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The ruling prevents the separation of children beyond releasing them to other family members, no outra

ge necessary, however not following it and keeping children incarcerated is another matter, and the matter we are talking about.  

yes and more importantly we are talking about the rule of law, stop the ridiculous moral preening.

[mcambl61]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Yes, universal jurisdiction, the power for the UN to prosecute the US government for crimes against humanity.

 

I nderstand about the 1997 rulimg that Trump wants to tear up and how instead they have found a way around it to detain children alone instead of following the ruling, not sure what's your point is  there but the 1997 ruling was good and the current government are a shame on the Western world.

 

Why would anyone be outragd at Obama letting people in?  Trump seemed to like it, he certainly gave enough of them jobs!   Selective outrage, you say. Utter hypocrisy on your part, I say.

 

so let me get this straight in the obtuse lens you are looking through....the country that funds the majority of the UN and NATO is going to be prosecuted for "crimes against humanity"?

 

perhaps you should be so concerned about the ongoing genocide in South Africa where they are butchering children and families and the medias refuses to report it.

 

would that touch your phony morally superior heart enough to be outraged?

 

get a grip on reality. 

[seajae]

big difference is the thai kids were not illegal immigrants and they knew who their real parents are unlike  many of the ones on the mexico border, tests are showing no relationship to the adults dragging them across the border

Edited July 12, 2018 by seajae

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

so let me get this straight in the obtuse lens you are looking through....the country that funds the majority of the UN and NATO is going to be prosecuted for "crimes against humanity"?

 

perhaps you should be so concerned about the ongoing genocide in South Africa where they are butchering children and families and the medias refuses to report it.

 

would that touch your phony morally superior heart enough to be outraged?

 

get a grip on reality. 

 

So let me get this straight, are you actually thinking that being the largest funder of the body would negate their responsibility?  And you calling people obtuse, shocking stuff!

 

I am concerned by a lot of things but I am talking about this travesty at the moment, your pathetic attempts to divert attention will not succeed.

 

I have a grip on reality, it is you who made the ludicrous comparison between Obama sending immigrants kids back to live with their families and Trump locking them up, if that is not the sign of someone losing their grip on reality then what is?

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

yes and more importantly we are talking about the rule of law, stop the ridiculous moral preening.

 

So you agree that Obama gave no cause for outrage?

[Kieran00001]

2 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

I suggest you get a grip on the meaning and importance of sovereignty and perhaps you can do some research on the most charitable nations and see just who is doing what. We do not need a lecture from any other nation about charity or human rights. best be looking at your own country first.

 

 

Your people are charitable, your president is not, I am not criticizing Americans, I am criticizing his policy of detaining immigrants children separately to their parents, something you have no defense against and that is the reason you keep attempting to get me to look the other way, not happening, we are talking about this, not my country, not Africa, not anything else, just Trumps immigration policy.

[mcambl61]

21 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

So let me get this straight, are you actually thinking that being the largest funder of the body would negate their responsibility?  And you calling people obtuse, shocking stuff!

 

I am concerned by a lot of things but I am talking about this travesty at the moment, your pathetic attempts to divert attention will not succeed.

 

I have a grip on reality, it is you who made the ludicrous comparison between Obama sending immigrants kids back to live with their families and Trump locking them up, if that is not the sign of someone losing their grip on reality then what is?

please have at least a sliver of common sense. Obama did separate children, then stopped it. get over the ridiculous selective outrage. 

[mcambl61]

17 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Your people are charitable, your president is not, I am not criticizing Americans, I am criticizing his policy of detaining immigrants children separately to their parents, something you have no defense against and that is the reason you keep attempting to get me to look the other way, not happening, we are talking about this, not my country, not Africa, not anything else, just Trumps immigration policy.

I am not attempting anything dude. you are emotionally charged up and are not using any common sense. It is not trumps "policy" it is the actual law that has been ignored for decades. get over it and stop being so self righteous.

 

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, mcambl61 said:

please have at least a sliver of common sense. Obama did separate children, then stopped it. get over the ridiculous selective outrage. 

 

 

He took them off their parents only if there was another guardian to take them, he gave them over to their own families, Trump is putting them in cages, try to get a grip on reality for a second, outrage is reserved for the outrageous, giving kids to their families is far from outrageous, putting them in cages away from their families is outrageous, hence the outrage over Trump and not for Obama.

 

[mcambl61]

23 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

So you agree that Obama gave no cause for outrage?

I was outraged at his ridiculous socialist policies of all types, but did not get emotionally self righteous about it 

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, mcambl61 said:

I am not attempting anything dude. you are emotionally charged up and are not using any common sense. It is not trumps "policy" it is the actual law that has been ignored for decades. get over it and stop being so self righteous.

 

 

Stop twisting the truth, the ruling you quoted superseded the law under which it is OK to separate kids, why do you think Trump wants to quash that ruling?

[Kieran00001]

4 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

I was outraged at his ridiculous socialist policies of all types, but did not get emotionally self righteous about it 

 

You were outraged that Obama gave to the poor but you are not outraged at Trump for putting kids in cages.  You are one of the lowliest people I have ever spoken to, you will get what is coming to you.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, mcambl61 said:

I am not attempting anything dude. you are emotionally charged up and are not using any common sense. It is not trumps "policy" it is the actual law that has been ignored for decades. get over it and stop being so self righteous.

 

 If that's true(which is not) then it is Trump's policy not to ignore that law