Fastest WiFi Routers Available In Thailand?

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

Even if the websites you visit aren’t limiting your speed, few of them require much bandwidth.  Even streaming 4K video only requires about 20 Mbps.   

I could understand that Gigabit internet might have tangible benefits in a business environment where there are a large number of simultaneous users.  802.11ac is specified to have a max throughput of 1.3 Gbps.  I don’t get anything near that when testing with only one device but if it means that the router could support up to 100 devices simultaneously, each drawing 13 Mbps simultaneously, then maybe in some environments it would be possible to saturate a 1 Gbps connection.   

I agree with your statement that we got super high speeds that we don't fully utilize. I get my full 200 mb/s quite often but only when downloading movies - tv series from news.groups (usenet). I was just saying that your statement that equipment is the limiting factor was wrong, its the server that processes the requests (websites) that limits it. Do you remember all the problems with Thaivisa and how slow it in general is. Even with super fast internet, that is because they don't have the best servers in the world, google and others would be much faster. (logical as they invest far more in their servers)

 

 

[sandrabbit]

1 hour ago, suzannegoh said:

Even if the websites you visit aren’t limiting your speed, few of them require much bandwidth.  Even streaming 4K video only requires about 20 Mbps.   

I could understand that Gigabit internet might have tangible benefits in a business environment where there are a large number of simultaneous users.  802.11ac is specified to have a max throughput of 1.3 Gbps.  I don’t get anything near that when testing with only one device but if it means that the router could support up to 100 devices simultaneously, each drawing 13 Mbps simultaneously, then maybe in some environments it would be possible to saturate a 1 Gbps connection.   

Give up explaining, they don't seem to be listening that the problem is in your home. The problem you seem to have is radio propagation,  the behavior of radio waves as they travel, or are propagated, from one point to another, or into various parts of the atmosphere - wiki. Have you considered running it through the mains wiring with powerline adapters, see below for 2 review sites otherwise you are left with running cable(s).

 

https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/test-centre/network-wifi/best-powerline-adapters-for-2018-3490638/

 

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/networks/powerline-networking/1404304/what-is-powerline-networking-and-how-fast-is-it-versus-wi-fi

[Pib]

 

The Asus AC68U AC1900 is definitely capable of Wifi speeds faster than 200Mb "if the equipment it is communicating with such as your computer, phone, tablet, etc., is capable of speeds faster than 200Mb even if the equipment is only AC600 capable (433Mb on 5Ghz band and 150Mb on 2.4GHz band)."    The AC68U is like a hall of fame router for it's capabilities and good Wifi speed.  It's getting a little long in the tooth age wise but pumping out over 200Mb Wifi speed is not a challenge for it.   A few snapshots below from some speed evaluations by CNET and SmallNetBuilder websites were the AC68 was speed tested.

 

Even an AC600 router & device can exceed 200Mb real world Wifi throughput on a 5Ghz channel.   Don't need some specs or review to tell me that because most of my smartphones/tablets are only only AC600 devices....even a brand new Samsung A8+ (2018) mobile phone I bought a few months ago....it pulls 200Mb speed on my home network no problem.  My home network is an AIS Fibre 200Mb speed plan with an Asus AC86U AC2900 router and Asus AC55UHP AC1200 in Access Point mode.   And one of my laptops only has an AC600 Wifi circuit but still pulls Wifi 200Mb speed no problem.  And I'm talking real world data throughput speed; not fancy land physical/link speed.

 

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/your-router-isnt-as-fast-as-you-think-it-is-heres-why/

 

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/32239-ac1900-first-look-netgear-r7000-a-asus-rt-ac68u?start=3

 

 

 

 

[Pib]

Here's some speed test snapshots I ran this morning within my two story concrete home....speed tests either using Speedtest.net with my AIS Fibre 200/50Mb plan

 

Speed result using my AIS 200/50Mb plan as the source from my AC86U AC2900 router to my laptop AC1200 Wifi circuit....the two are 10 (ten) meters apart...line of site...no obstructions like a wall separating them.

 

 

Speed result using my AIS 200/50Mb plan as the source from my AC86U AC2900 router to my laptop AC1200 Wifi circuit....the two are still 10 (ten) meters apart except now they are also separated by two concrete walls.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Pib

[upu2]

6 hours ago, suzannegoh said:

You're missing the point, there is nothing wrong with their "best effort", internet in Thai is plenty fast now.  What I'm saying is that their fastest internet packages are faster than most people's wifi equipment and I'm wndering if there is, or soon will be, a way to overcome that other than by using a wired (ethernet) connection.

You are wrong. Most if not all WiFi devices can handle high speeds unless of course it states the maximum rate which is low. The best effort is what the Internet is referred to. This is, unless you want to pay a fortune, no Quality of Service which would define a guaranteed transfer rate.

Radio systems have a lot of potential factors that can adversely affect the transmission. Without going too deeply into it these include rain, buildings, trees etc in the vicinity of the propagation path. With a wired network you dont get have these issues. In radio we use a lot of FEC (Forward Error Correction) techniques. This helps in getting accurate data but does have an overhead load which reduces the data transfer.

Speed tests that many people try are pretty much a waste of time. Chances are your path to the server you are using for the test changes each time you run it and hence is of no real value. Unless you can set up a single path to a test server forget these tests

Edited July 17, 2018 by upu2

[Pib]

And here are some Wifi speed results (5Ghz band) when using my Home Server as the data source versus my AIS Fibre 200Mb plan.   Using the home server in order to generate a faster source of incoming data like I have a faster internet plan.   The results reflect speed of transferring a 500MB sized zip file in order to create steady/constant stream of Wifi data.    I did tests using both my Asus 55UHP AC1200 and Asus 86U AC2900  routers. 

 

The "end device" was my laptop with an Asus USB AC53 AC1200 thumbdrive Wifi adapter.    This is the weak point in the speed chain as this little thumbnail Wifi adapter plugged into the laptop's USB port can only do around 300Mb real world throughput based on experts during testing in online reviews and my own tests as shown below.   While this AC53 thumbdrive Wifi adapter is rated at AC1200 it has tiny internal antenna's which impact its range/speed just as for all of the little thumbdrive Wifi type adapters.  I use this adapter because my laptop only came with an internal 2.4Ghz Wifi capability.   But as you will see this little AC53 can still pull around 300Mb Wifi real world throughput speeds.   If I had a faster Wifi circuit for my laptop I'm sure my speed results would be higher as both of my routers can easily exceed 300Mb real world Wifi throughput speed.

 

See below snapshots with the conditions/explanation of each test at the top of each snapshot as different routers, distances, and with or without obstructions (i.e., concrete walls) were involved.

 

Based on this type of real world testing I've done several times I know with "my current equipment" since I primarily use Wifi connections for most of my end devices (i.e., computers/phones/tablets) that upgrading to a plan say faster than around 250Mb would be wasted in my case.   The weakest in my current equipment is not the routers but the "Wifi circuits/capabilities" of my end devices.  Total speed in your chain can be no faster than it's weakest (slowest) link.    

 

Home Server Feeding Asus "AC55UHP" AC1200 router to laptop's AC53 AC1200 Wifi adapter at "5" meters..."no obstructions."  A pretty steady 260 to 300Mb speed from this mid range router.

 

 

Home Server Feeding Asus "AC86U" AC2900 router to laptop's AC53 AC1200 Wifi adapter at "5" meters..."no obstructions."  A very steady 300Mb speed for this high end router.

 

 

Home Server Feeding Asus "AC86U" AC2900 router to laptop's AC53 AC1200 Wifi adapter at "10" meters..."no obstructions."  Notice the speed is varying more at this greater distance varying around 250 to 300Mb.

 

 

Home Server Feeding Asus "AC86U" AC2900 router to laptop's AC53 AC1200 Wifi adapter at "10" meters..."with two concrete walls obstructions."  Speed still pulling around 250 to 300Mb speed at this 10 meters distance even with two concrete walls obstructing the Wifi signal.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Pib

[Pib]

As additional clarification of some of above snapshots, anytime you see "two" hills in the snapshots that means I ran the 500MB size file transfer two times.   One hill means I only ran the 500Mb sized file transfer one time.

[unblocktheplanet]

Although I'm no conspiracy nut, I do believe in being cautious with technologies which have been inadequately tested. We're pretty much in a microwave bath all the time. I really would not want a WiFi extender, booster antenna, or second router in a home situation. 5G, if it ever gets here, will only be worse.

[BigT73]

On 7/17/2018 at 10:05 AM, robblok said:

I agree with your statement that we got super high speeds that we don't fully utilize. I get my full 200 mb/s quite often but only when downloading movies - tv series from news.groups (usenet). I was just saying that your statement that equipment is the limiting factor was wrong, its the server that processes the requests (websites) that limits it. Do you remember all the problems with Thaivisa and how slow it in general is. Even with super fast internet, that is because they don't have the best servers in the world, google and others would be much faster. (logical as they invest far more in their servers)

 

 

google facebook utube have their own gateways to get out of thailand.  They have the same network infrastructure as 3bb on the cat network.  So thats why these services are fast as we go to them locally and they proxy the info back to thailand.  Whereas other webservices we are connecting directly internationally and get slowed down through the thai nat gateway, unless u get a vpn etc.  I setup a simple vpn on a virtual server in au, I have 3bb international package, my vpn type setup is alot faster. prices for servers can be 2.5 -5 usd per month and fun to learn linux.

[suzannegoh]

google facebook utube have their own gateways to get out of thailand.  They have the same network infrastructure as 3bb on the cat network.  So thats why these services are fast as we go to them locally and they proxy the info back to thailand.  Whereas other webservices we are connecting directly internationally and get slowed down through the thai nat gateway, unless u get a vpn etc.  I setup a simple vpn on a virtual server in au, I have 3bb international package, my vpn type setup is alot faster. prices for servers can be 2.5 -5 usd per month and fun to learn linux.

I didn't know that Google, Facebook, and YouTube have their own gateways but it is often the case that content from legitimate sources is distributed by contracting out to companies like Level 3 and Akami who run CDN's (content delivery networks) with severs all over the developed world. But even without that, and even though it is apparently profoundly ignorant to say so, the WiFi to some of the rooms of my house is slower than the speedtest results that I typical get from AIS Fibre when connecting to servers in the US by wire. And only when in very close proximity to the router is my WiFi not a bottleneck when doing speedtests to major cities in Asia. Overall, I would have been a lot more impressed with the people chastising me here if they had mentioned that 802.11ax will be available soon rather than citing data that proves that they are able to get faster 802.11ac speeds than I do.   

 

 

 

[suzannegoh]

Although I'm no conspiracy nut, I do believe in being cautious with technologies which have been inadequately tested. We're pretty much in a microwave bath all the time. I really would not want a WiFi extender, booster antenna, or second router in a home situation. 5G, if it ever gets here, will only be worse.

Yes, but if you're unvaccinated and don't eat GMO's your immune system should be strong enough to fend off the microwaves.

[suzannegoh]

Apparently hardware manufacturers are addressing the issue of WiFi not keeping up with ultrafast Internet connections. Asus, for example, has announced a line of 802.11ax routers that run at Ludicrous Speed and can be configured as a WiFi mesh if you buy more than one of them.

[suzannegoh]

These routers sound interesting but I suspect that the prices won't be very attractive, at least at first:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/5/17429032/asus-80211ax-routers-announced-rog-gaming